qjtransitmaster Posted October 13, 2012 Share #51 Posted October 13, 2012 The problm is the BQE will slow the route unless it has a dedicated bus lane all to it's self inaccurate most of the BQE's traffic is between downtown brooklyn or the gonowhere to LIE. This route will avoid the worst parts of the BQE. So traffic would rarely be an issue. North of LIE even at rush hour the BQE moves well. If this line were to go to downtown brooklyn then there would be a traffic problem otherwise it will still be much faster than Q33. LI folk heading to LGA will love this bus I will love it go MTA!!! This bus will win big. I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted October 13, 2012 Share #52 Posted October 13, 2012 Unlike van wyck the BQE NORTH of LIE is mostly good it may be a parking lot sometimes but it is nowhere near as bad as the van wyck. During the Holiday/ Long Weekend, the friday before it is a parking lot, you want SBS buses getting stuck there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted October 13, 2012 Share #53 Posted October 13, 2012 I will be giving out three different maps about the Modification of Jackson Heights Routes Here's plan 1 http://maps.google.c...e669c4635b42c4a Here's Plan 2 https://maps.google....e669c4635b42c4a Here's Plan 3 https://maps.google....e6c18cc2d28c6d0 So in that plan 3, they'll have that Q33X route and either an extended Q32 or a new Midtown/Jackson Heights/Elmhurst route that goes all the way to Manhattan, just to end before LGA. Wouldn't it be a better idea to send that route to LGA, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted October 13, 2012 Share #54 Posted October 13, 2012 So in that plan 3, they'll have that Q33X route and either an extended Q32 or a new Midtown/Jackson Heights/Elmhurst route that goes all the way to Manhattan, just to end before LGA. Wouldn't it be a better idea to send that route to LGA, too? Q32 to LGA is long. I mean if The Q32 is split btwn LGA and MJQ like before, than yeah it can work without going inside the airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transit bx Posted October 13, 2012 Share #55 Posted October 13, 2012 I will be giving out three different maps about the Modification of Jackson Heights Routes Here's plan 1 http://maps.google.c...e669c4635b42c4a Here's Plan 2 https://maps.google....e669c4635b42c4a Here's Plan 3 https://maps.google....e6c18cc2d28c6d0 If this new route or Q63 was to be created, what depot will it be base out of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACEVE14 Posted October 13, 2012 Share #56 Posted October 13, 2012 If this new route or Q63 was to be created, what depot will it be base out of? LaGuardia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transit bx Posted October 13, 2012 Share #57 Posted October 13, 2012 Ok how about this new proposed route from the city via 57th to LGA or right outside of the airport, would this be base out of LGA depot as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted October 13, 2012 Share #58 Posted October 13, 2012 Ok how about this new proposed route from the city via 57th to LGA or right outside of the airport, would this be base out of LGA depot as well? IMO it would have to be MJQ until MTA Bus and NYC Bus are combined since that is Bascially an Extention of the Q32. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted October 13, 2012 Share #59 Posted October 13, 2012 I don't like this Bx41 extension to LaGuardia. It should've been an entirely new route. I'm not really in favor of extending routes to get rid of others The airport service can easily be a variant of the Bx41, scheduled separately with its own route number. Ditto for the M60 and Q33 ideas. I would call them M90+, Bx91+, and Q93+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted October 13, 2012 Share #60 Posted October 13, 2012 IMO it would have to be MJQ...since that is Bascially an Extention of the Q32 Thing 1: One has nothing to do with the other. The Q32 was consolidated in Casey Stengel two years ago as part of the "Doomsday" service cuts. Thing 2: No, it wouldn't "have" to be Quill. It could be Quill, or it could be Tuskeegee, or it could be 126th Street, or it could be LGA, or it could even be Casey Stengel. And no, the passengers won't care about depot assignments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennyj17 Posted October 13, 2012 Share #61 Posted October 13, 2012 Thing 2: No, it wouldn't "have" to be Quill. It could be Quill, or it could be Tuskeegee, or it could be 126th Street, or it could be LGA, or it could even be Casey Stengel. And no, the passengers won't care about depot assignments. It CAN NOT be LGA as long as MTAB and NYCT are still two separate agencies on paper and in the Union-world....Q32 is an NYCT route.... MTAB only exist now because of the Unions and seniority issues around that....otherwise everything would've been NYCT a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transit bx Posted October 13, 2012 Share #62 Posted October 13, 2012 It CAN NOT be LGA as long as MTAB and NYCT are still two separate agencies on paper and in the Union-world....Q32 is an NYCT route.... MTAB only exist now because of the Unions and seniority issues around that....otherwise everything would've been NYCT a long time ago. I think what Gotham bus Co is trying to say is that since the MTA have a proposed new route from the city via 57th to LGA or out side of the airport, it can go to either of those five depots he mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted October 13, 2012 Share #63 Posted October 13, 2012 It CAN NOT be LGA as long as MTAB and NYCT are still two separate agencies on paper and in the Union-world....Q32 is an NYCT route.... MTAB only exist now because of the Unions and seniority issues around that....otherwise everything would've been NYCT a long time ago. Thing 1 There is no provision in any contract saying that new SBS routes must be operated by NYCT. Thing 2 The Woodside route is being presented as a variant of the Q33. Therefore, it would likely operate from LGA Depot. Even if it's extended west to Queens Plaza or Manhattan (not likely), it would still be a new route and could still operate from LGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted October 13, 2012 Share #64 Posted October 13, 2012 BTW, this site is interesting. It shows where a lot of the airline passengers are going to, and where the airport workers live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted October 14, 2012 Share #65 Posted October 14, 2012 Well it gives people at 96th Street access to the 60 for LGA service. Especially since i do notice folks getting on at 106th. Makes me wonder if some of them also come from below that stop. The only issue is, parking. I don't know if the MTA would have the lay over where the M96/106 are located at West End Ave. Its full enough.. Obviously, any extension would serve people coming from points along the extension itself, but by that reasoning, why not run it to 86th or 79th or 72nd? What I meant was that extending the M60 to 96th wouldn't improve connectivity or provide new access to any significant traffic generators. A bit of history: The original M60 terminated at 125th and Lenox. It was extended a year or two later to 116th and Broadway to provide access to the A/B/C/D and 1 trains and to Columbia, but residents along Claremont complained about layovers, so it was extended further to 106th, which has an easier turnaround and which also serves the large youth hostel at 104th and Amsterdam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted October 16, 2012 Share #66 Posted October 16, 2012 Just putting this out there: 96th Street is an express stop for the . There are many people who wouldn't even think about taking the to 125th Street and waiting in the middle of Harlem for a bus with all their luggage for fear that they'll get robbed/attacked, but 96th and Broadway is still within their safe zone. (It's not a racial thing, it's just that they associate Harlem with guns and violence in general.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripleeye49 Posted October 16, 2012 Share #67 Posted October 16, 2012 The Bx41 and the Bx15/55 routes should absolutely be modified and have SBS services installed on them. First of all I believe that the SBS to La Guardia Airport should be alternate service between the Bx41 and Bx55. In my proposal, the Bx55 would run via 3rd Avenue/Webster Avenue from Norwood (Bainbridge Avenue / Gun Hill) as suggested on the map. The Bx41 should run from Williamsbridge (Gun Hill / White Plains) via Webster. Each SBS bus would run daily from 6 AM to 11 PM. The Bx15 should be made into an SBS from Harlem to Williamsbridge running weekdays from 6 AM to 10 PM, and weekends from 6 AM to 6 PM. The local would run from Harlem to Fordham Plaza at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted October 16, 2012 Share #68 Posted October 16, 2012 96th Street is an express stop for the . There are many people who wouldn't even think about taking the to 125th Street and waiting in the middle of Harlem for a bus with all their luggage for fear that they'll get robbed/attacked, but 96th and Broadway is still within their safe zone. (It's not a racial thing, it's just that they associate Harlem with guns and violence in general.) But, the M60, runs over the Triboro and the Triboro comes right out on 125th. Sending it to 96th would be a PITA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted October 16, 2012 Share #69 Posted October 16, 2012 The Bx41, Bx55, and Bx15 don't all need SBS, the Bx55 & Bx41 even is overkill. The Bx15 needs to remain a local for the Bx55, maybe swapping southern terminals as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CT1660- Posted October 16, 2012 Share #70 Posted October 16, 2012 I could see the M60 SBS working out during rush hours, but the Bx41, not sure how that would work considering the long route it will end up if it gets SBS'd. The day i see LGA handle an +SBS+ route is the day i'll shit a brick. Because i always thought +SBS+ was an NYCT Bus thing only. But i guess i was wrong. Much of the roads perpendicular to Roosevelt Ave (along the Flushing Line) can barely handle a dedicated bus lane, so i'm getting curious to how +SBS+ would work out in Queens, considering it can become a bit of a challenge. Probably the existing NG hybrids would be used for that new Queens SBS route if it were to be based out of LGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CT1660- Posted October 16, 2012 Share #71 Posted October 16, 2012 Much of the roads perpendicular to Roosevelt Ave (along the Flushing Line) can barely handle a dedicated bus lane, so i'm getting curious to how +SBS+ would work out in Queens, considering it can become a bit of a challenge. Probably the existing NG hybrids would be used for that new Queens SBS route if it were to be based out of LGA. God i hate this fricking time limit to edit posts.. Anyways, i'm getting curious on how the proposed Queens SBS route would work...if it were to be based out of LGA, i'd definitely call it the Q79. If it were to be out of Casey Stengel, i'd call it the Q57. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transit bx Posted October 16, 2012 Share #72 Posted October 16, 2012 God i hate this fricking time limit to edit posts.. Anyways, i'm getting curious on how the proposed Queens SBS route would work...if it were to be based out of LGA, i'd definitely call it the Q79. If it were to be out of Casey Stengel, i'd call it the Q57. The Queens SBS will be base out of LGA depot, i think ENY had said it before that MTAB falls under all NYCT department of buses now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CT1660- Posted October 16, 2012 Share #73 Posted October 16, 2012 The Queens SBS will be base out of LGA depot, i think ENY had said it before that MTAB falls under all NYCT department of buses now. This is gonna be interesting. I'm guessing the SBS route would use LGA's existing NG hybrids. Even more interesting, how this would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 16, 2012 Share #74 Posted October 16, 2012 Just putting this out there: 96th Street is an express stop for the . There are many people who wouldn't even think about taking the to 125th Street and waiting in the middle of Harlem for a bus with all their luggage for fear that they'll get robbed/attacked, but 96th and Broadway is still within their safe zone. (It's not a racial thing, it's just that they associate Harlem with guns and violence in general.) I would have to agree with assessment. Quite frankly it starts to get sketchy after 96th street unless you're around 5th Av or Madison or so because Mount Sinai is there, so that is tolerable, but after 99th street forget it. But, the M60, runs over the Triboro and the Triboro comes right out on 125th. Sending it to 96th would be a PITA. I don't think so. 96th for one is a bit less congested than 125th and you could have it run non-stop down 1st and 2nd Ave to and from 96th st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 16, 2012 Share #75 Posted October 16, 2012 Just putting this out there: 96th Street is an express stop for the . There are many people who wouldn't even think about taking the to 125th Street and waiting in the middle of Harlem for a bus with all their luggage for fear that they'll get robbed/attacked, but 96th and Broadway is still within their safe zone. (It's not a racial thing, it's just that they associate Harlem with guns and violence in general.) Them R Scaredy pants..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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