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As we all know, the Thanksgiving Holiday is the busiest time of the year for travelers. People will either travel by plane or by train.

 

Amtrak has posted special timetables for the Northeast Corridor which includes Acela Express, Northeast Regional, Keystone, and Holiday Extra (borrowed train sets from MARC and NJT that will run on Sunday after Thanksgiving)

 

http://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/502/670/Thanksgiving-Timetable-201211-Keystone,0.pdf

 

http://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/132/755/Thanksgiving-Timetable-201211-NEC,0.pdf

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As we all know, the Thanksgiving Holiday is the busiest time of the year for travelers. People will either travel by plane or by train.

 

Amtrak has posted special timetables for the Northeast Corridor which includes Acela Express, Northeast Regional, Keystone, and Holiday Extra (borrowed train sets from MARC and NJT that will run on Sunday after Thanksgiving)

 

http://www.amtrak.co...-Keystone,0.pdf

 

http://www.amtrak.co...01211-NEC,0.pdf

 

 

Every year I record on the on-time performance of every NEC train except Keystone service. I made up the chart for this year. The schedule is essentially the same as last year except one Acela express was added between NYP and BOS and one regional was added between WAS and NYP.

 

There will be the usual assortment of MARC and NJT equipment running as "holiday special."

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Sandy change: NJT has suffered damage to a pretty significant portion of its equipment as a result of the storm, so I doubt they'll be able to loan.

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Sandy change: NJT has suffered damage to a pretty significant portion of its equipment as a result of the storm, so I doubt they'll be able to loan.

 

 

Guess they still could borrow those VIA Rail Budd's for NY state service.

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Guess they still could borrow those VIA Rail Budd's for NY state service.

 

There is no additional Empire Service beyond the regular schedule.

 

Amtrak will probably use SEPTA equipment instead of NJT equipment. for early AM trips out of NYP. Late afternoon trips will probably be handled by MARC equipment returning to Washington.

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There is no additional Empire Service beyond the regular schedule.

 

Amtrak will probably use SEPTA equipment instead of NJT equipment. for early AM trips out of NYP. Late afternoon trips will probably be handled by MARC equipment returning to Washington.

 

 

Amtrak could use VIA cars there and send the Amtrak cars there onto the NEC service.

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Amtrak could use VIA cars there and send the Amtrak cars there onto the NEC service.

 

 

Most of the Empire Service is between Albany and New York which is a long deadhead for VIA equipment from Toronto.

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Most of the Empire Service is between Albany and New York which is a long deadhead for VIA equipment from Toronto.

 

 

Move it over on the Maple Leaf! or the Maple Leaf uses VIA cars .

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Move it over on the Maple Leaf! or the Maple Leaf uses VIA cars .

 

 

NARP put out a press release that they are going to use two VIA railsets (including a obs-serv) on the Adirondack between MTR and ALB. Passengers will have to change to Amtrak equipment at ALB.

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NARP put out a press release that they are going to use two VIA railsets (including a obs-serv) on the Adirondack between MTR and ALB. Passengers will have to change to Amtrak equipment at ALB.

 

 

This will still let Amtrak use a set of Amfleet cars for the NEC

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This will still let Amtrak use a set of Amfleet cars for the NEC

 

I'm not sure about that. If they move Amfleet equipment to the corridor, there won't be equipment for Adirondack passengers to transfer at ALB unless they are going to use an ALB-NYP trainset that would normally be finished for the day.

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I'm not sure about that. If they move Amfleet equipment to the corridor, there won't be equipment for Adirondack passengers to transfer at ALB unless they are going to use an ALB-NYP trainset that would normally be finished for the day.

 

 

Thats what they would be doing, think about it, why would Amtrak borrow cars if they would not be able to make an extra set to send else where. This will let one Adirondack set to be VIA cars from Albany to Montreal with one set used from NYP to Albany this will free up some Amfleet cars trust me.

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Thats what they would be doing, think about it, why would Amtrak borrow cars if they would not be able to make an extra set to send else where. This will let one Adirondack set to be VIA cars from Albany to Montreal with one set used from NYP to Albany this will free up some Amfleet cars trust me.

 

I don't see how it could free up a lot of equipment. The Adirondack is a short train anyway.

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For Amtrak's Sunday after Thanksgiving program, they are being provided with two 6 car sets from MARC to run on 1054,1063,1056 and 1065, two NJT 8 car Arrow sets (YES, this is still happening!!) to run on 1057,1058,1099 and 1082, and a SEPTA 6 car Push-pull set which will be a protect set in Philadelphia.

 

In addition, trains 68 and 69 will be using VIA sets (5 coaches and the dome car) between Albany and Montreal all week. This is so that Amtrak only needs to use one set for 68/69 between NYP-ALB and frees up the second set's cars to add an extra coachr to 42,43,89 and 90.

 

Acela sets are only scheduled to run in the 2000 series routes, so don't be expecting any free upgrades this year.

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For Amtrak's Sunday after Thanksgiving program, they are being provided with two 6 car sets from MARC to run on 1054,1063,1056 and 1065, two NJT 8 car Arrow sets (YES, this is still happening!!) to run on 1057,1058,1099 and 1082, and a SEPTA 6 car Push-pull set which will be a protect set in Philadelphia.

 

In addition, trains 68 and 69 will be using VIA sets (5 coaches and the dome car) between Albany and Montreal all week. This is so that Amtrak only needs to use one set for 68/69 between NYP-ALB and frees up the second set's cars to add an extra coachr to 42,43,89 and 90.

 

 

 

Amfleet coaches are used on 89 and 90?

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For Amtrak's Sunday after Thanksgiving program, they are being provided with two 6 car sets from MARC to run on 1054,1063,1056 and 1065, two NJT 8 car Arrow sets (YES, this is still happening!!) to run on 1057,1058,1099 and 1082, and a SEPTA 6 car Push-pull set which will be a protect set in Philadelphia.

 

In addition, trains 68 and 69 will be using VIA sets (5 coaches and the dome car) between Albany and Montreal all week. This is so that Amtrak only needs to use one set for 68/69 between NYP-ALB and frees up the second set's cars to add an extra coachr to 42,43,89 and 90.

 

Acela sets are only scheduled to run in the 2000 series routes, so don't be expecting any free upgrades this year.

 

Damn why can't they run that SEPTA push-pull set?

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They'll run that set if there's an equipment problem with one of the Keystone sets.

 

42/43/89/90 run with a motor (engine change at WAS), a baggage car, 4 Amfleet coaches, 1 Amfleet business, and 1 Amfleet cafe. For this week, they'll also be running with a 5th coach. Note that both of those runs (the Pennsylvanian and Palmetto) use the same equipment - 42 turns to 89 the next day and 90 turns to 43 the next day, due to 89/90's early/late schedule. The Silver Star and Crescent do the same thing.

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I finished my review of NEC operations yesterday. The biggest disaster was #93, arriving Richomond 2:27 LATE. It left New Haven 14 minutes late and arrived New York Penn 1 hour 47 minutes late. Something happened on the New Haven line.

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There was a switch problem tonight that halted ALL trains in/out of New York Penn Station

 

 

East River or Hudson River side?

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It was the switch off of East River Line 4 to Tk 20/21. Line 4 was out for most of the evening rush (PERFECT DAY FOR THAT!) and LIRR had to seriously cut back their service. Lines 1, 2 and 3 were still up, but Amtrak was NOT gonna let LIRR interfere with any of their getaway trains.

 

There were many LIRR trains turning at Hunters Pt or terminating at Jamaica since they couldn't get into NYP. Port Washington trains were turning at Woodside.

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It was the switch off of East River Line 4 to Tk 20/21. Line 4 was out for most of the evening rush (PERFECT DAY FOR THAT!) and LIRR had to seriously cut back their service. Lines 1, 2 and 3 were still up, but Amtrak was NOT gonna let LIRR interfere with any of their getaway trains.

 

There were many LIRR trains turning at Hunters Pt or terminating at Jamaica since they couldn't get into NYP. Port Washington trains were turning at Woodside.

 

This is going to cause a rift between Amtrak and the LIRR. I imagine Lhota will be calling Boardman. Amtrak took a bad situation and made it even worse. What goes around comes around. Amtrak operates on MNs Hudson Line.

 

I know this situation put a strain on Line 2 but there are more LIRR than Amtrak trains.

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lets not forget, it also affected NJT trains, they also use the East River Tunnels to either store trains at Sunnsyside Yard or loop around Sunnyside yard, and all the dangerous overcrowding lead to a temporarliy closure of NY Penn Station

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