YankeesPwnMets Posted October 20, 2012 Share #1 Posted October 20, 2012 My friend has to go to JFK Airport sometime soon and as I explained the directions to him, all he did was get confused about which train to take. This got me thinking.. why not have the trains going to Lefferts signed up as and the trains via JFK airport be signed up as <A>? It would be an easy indicator for those who want to go to JFK Airport.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted October 20, 2012 Share #2 Posted October 20, 2012 Or maybe . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted October 21, 2012 Share #3 Posted October 21, 2012 The R46 signs need to be fixed ASAP. When I see them they're up to 50% wrong. The best advice is to tell them to get on a southbound , then listen to the C/R announcements at Rockaway Blvd or ask someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted October 21, 2012 Share #4 Posted October 21, 2012 I think that will not work out well either. I remember when I was at Fulton St, when platform was still Broadway Nassau, had wrong destination 207th St on southbound trip. It sometimes happens at Rockaway Blvd and sometimes t/o or c/o are too lazy to change sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted October 21, 2012 Share #5 Posted October 21, 2012 The runs 24/7 between 207 and Far Rock. I think the should replace the to/from Lefferts, run express on Fulton, 8 Av, and CPW. It would be the same Lefferts/Far Rock levels they have now. and every 20 mins off-peak and 10 mins at rush hour, and every 10 mins. At night, the is the Lefferts Blvd Shuttle while the 10-daily rush hour trains continue running between Manhattan and Rockaway Park. Just my opnion anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted October 21, 2012 Share #6 Posted October 21, 2012 It sometimes happens at Rockaway Blvd and sometimes t/o or c/o are too lazy to change sign. Or due to their busy scedule between runs they may not have the time to change the signs. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted October 21, 2012 Share #7 Posted October 21, 2012 I think that there should be announcements made at Rockaway Blvd. station about the train's destination - something along the lines of "This is an train heading to Lefferts Boulevard. Wait here for train service to JFK airport and Far Rockaway or Rockaway Park." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted October 21, 2012 Share #8 Posted October 21, 2012 Great idea, although I have a feeling that would confuse riders too. Too bad there are not double letters. AA Far Rock AB Rock Park AC Lefferts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted October 21, 2012 Share #9 Posted October 21, 2012 If the signs or audio speakers don't work, then those suffixes won't make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheTransitMan Posted October 21, 2012 Share #10 Posted October 21, 2012 How about putting R160's on the A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted October 21, 2012 Share #11 Posted October 21, 2012 But the IND Rockaway extensions are set to FRA standards with voltage requirements that the R160s cannot handle. That would be an awesome idea though. Maybe the R179s will address that problem if the MTA decides to place the new trains there as a last minute desision. Guess we'll wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 21, 2012 Share #12 Posted October 21, 2012 Slightly of..Speaking of R160.... So I guess the rumors of the R160 going to the B was another false rumor like 2009......... lol? Heard Sept this would happen..... None...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheTransitMan Posted October 21, 2012 Share #13 Posted October 21, 2012 But the IND Rockaway extensions are set to FRA standards with voltage requirements that the R160s cannot handle. That would be an awesome idea though. Maybe the R179s will address that problem if the MTA decides to place the new trains there as a last minute desision. Guess we'll wait and see. I thought that that idea was proven to be untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted October 21, 2012 Share #14 Posted October 21, 2012 I thought that that idea was proven to be untrue. I'll have to research that and get back to you unless another person beats me to it with the correct information. I've heard that the salty air preventing proper draw from the third rail may also be a factor but I have no confirm on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted October 21, 2012 Share #15 Posted October 21, 2012 I usually tell family to take the to Jamaica and take the AirTrain, That way no one ends up in Ozone Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted October 21, 2012 Share #16 Posted October 21, 2012 Slightly of..Speaking of R160.... So I guess the rumors of the R160 going to the B was another false rumor like 2009......... lol? Heard Sept this would happen..... None...... What I heard was that since the mean distance between failures on the r160s are not getting any better, they will do the B/Q swap. But again no proof on this. So I guess it is a rumor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bknightshadow45 Posted October 21, 2012 Share #17 Posted October 21, 2012 You can take any Queens bound train to JFK Airport. If someone boards a Far Rockaway or Rockaway Beach bound train they can just get off at Howard Beach-JFK Aiport to transfer for the Airtrain. If so happens they board a Lefferts Blvd train they can either take the train to the last stop and transfer to the Q10 bus directly to JFK Airport or take the the Q10 bus from Lefferts Blvd station to the Lefferts Blvd Airtrain station depending which terminal he or she may need to get to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted October 21, 2012 Share #18 Posted October 21, 2012 I think that there should be announcements made at Rockaway Blvd. station about the train's destination - something along the lines of "This is an train heading to Lefferts Boulevard. Wait here for train service to JFK airport and Far Rockaway or Rockaway Park." The R160 to Lefferts program has such an announcement (saw it on a video during the Culver GO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted October 21, 2012 Share #19 Posted October 21, 2012 I think that there should be announcements made at Rockaway Blvd. station about the train's destination - something along the lines of "This is an train heading to Lefferts Boulevard. Wait here for train service to JFK airport and Far Rockaway or Rockaway Park." That's exactly what most conductors announce. Anybody who misses the announcement can get the Q10 at Lefferts. It takes a bit longer but they save a few bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Railfan Posted October 21, 2012 Share #20 Posted October 21, 2012 I'll have to research that and get back to you unless another person beats me to it with the correct information. I've heard that the salty air preventing proper draw from the third rail may also be a factor but I have no confirm on this. I don't Understand, how does salty air prevent proper draw from the third rail? The conductivity is based on the flow of electrons from one resistive surface to another. In this case it would be the third rail and the contact shoe of the train. so how exactly would salty air prevent the third rail from transferring electrons to the shoe through direct contact. Also Salt [NaCl] has a high conductivity due the larger allocation of Ions, which much higher then tap water [H2O]. So this should actually help with conductivity in theory, even though in reality it would have no effect, since the shoe is getting power from direct contact with the third rail. Also why do only the R160s experience these electrical problems and not the R32/42/44/46/68/142/188 while operating in the rockaways? what makes the R160s so prone to these problems? The only drawbacks i could see is that the salty air could potentially corrode the exterior shell of the trains from prolonged exposure to the air.So, Until i see some info from an official source stating that this in fact is the reason why the 160s aren't on the then i call B.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted October 21, 2012 Share #21 Posted October 21, 2012 That's exactly what most conductors announce. Well, the crackly announcements on the old trains are poor, and sometimes completely indistinguishable. I'd love to see those fixed or installed with automated announcements. Made for some interesting riding the first time I went to the Rockaways, though...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted October 21, 2012 Share #22 Posted October 21, 2012 Simple solution that will reduce confusion. Rockaway bound trains (that go to JFK as well) are called Lefferts Blvd bound trains (and the late night shuttle) are called NO SCHEDULE CHANGES. Lefferts Blvd bound trains will run as trains instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted October 21, 2012 Share #23 Posted October 21, 2012 Great idea, although I have a feeling that would confuse riders too. Too bad there are not double letters. AA Far Rock AB Rock Park AC Lefferts Double letters also confused people that's why they got rid of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted October 21, 2012 Share #24 Posted October 21, 2012 I can see confusion go down once the A gets some automated announcements. People who don't know English can still understand the term "JFK" at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted October 21, 2012 Share #25 Posted October 21, 2012 Simple solution that will reduce confusion. Rockaway bound trains (that go to JFK as well) are called Lefferts Blvd bound trains (and the late night shuttle) are called NO SCHEDULE CHANGES. Lefferts Blvd bound trains will run as trains instead. I said the same thing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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