nostalgia Posted October 31, 2012 Share #251 Posted October 31, 2012 That's pretty stupid if they're closing the entire terminal. The tracks I can see but you've got the entire dining concourse there, along with the Apple store. That is too much revenue for the to loose, not to mention that folks couldn't work that day in those businesses. I'll have to see for myself tomorrow if this is true or if they just mean the MetroNorth tracks are closed. Doesn't make any difference. The plain reading is the Terminal is closed even if the statement is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 31, 2012 Share #252 Posted October 31, 2012 Doesn't make any difference. The plain reading is the Terminal is closed even if the statement is wrong. Yeah, but it does make a difference, in fact a big difference. We'll see tomorrow. Do you know how many businesses would be shut down tomorrow if they close the entire terminal??? If those areas aren't flooded then I see no reason to shut them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostalgia Posted October 31, 2012 Share #253 Posted October 31, 2012 Yeah, but it does make a difference, in fact a big difference. We'll see tomorrow. Do you know how many businesses would be shut down tomorrow if they close the entire terminal??? If those areas aren't flooded then I see no reason to shut them down. I meant it doesn't make any difference to anybody who reads the website. Even if the Apple store is open, no one is going to know it's open because the website states the terminal is closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted October 31, 2012 Share #254 Posted October 31, 2012 All of that switching is going to cause problems during rush hour, but we're working with what we have here. That's the point I was trying to make. But still, the MTA hasnt even announced publically how long the subway system could be shut down, nor what might be open or closed when the system returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 31, 2012 Share #255 Posted October 31, 2012 I meant it doesn't make any difference to anybody who reads the website. Even if the Apple store is open, no one is going to know it's open because the website states the terminal is closed. lol... True, but then again who actually pays attention these days anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted October 31, 2012 Share #256 Posted October 31, 2012 This isn't 9/11. The will NOT BE GOING TO BROOKLYN!!!! We don't have the crews for it, it makes the route WAY TOO LONG, and just confuses the passengers. Not to mention that we won't be seeing ANY service in Manhattan for quite a while either. All I can say is that these Fast Tracks really helped us (and you) prepare for what's to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Railfan Posted October 31, 2012 Share #257 Posted October 31, 2012 Sheepshead station lobby: Judging by the watermark on the store next door, the water got as high as the top of the turnstyles. I took this picture in the morning when waters receded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted October 31, 2012 Share #258 Posted October 31, 2012 The service idea is actually quite possible unless Newton Creek overflowed into the tunnels. And even then, the could just short-turn at Bedford/Nostrand. Nope, Newtown tunnel is flooded. - service from Canarsie (if it isn't flooded) or Broadway Junction (if Canarsie IS flooded) to Bedford Avenue (if Bedford Avenue is not flooded.) If Bedford Avenue is flooded, this is most likely not possible. Yes, 14/Bedford is flooded. Canarsie is fine though. Don't expect any service other than the El portion for a while.... - service along Franklin Avenue (if Prospect Park isn't flooded) That's flooded too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted October 31, 2012 Share #259 Posted October 31, 2012 Good point, I forgot Lenox had problems too... I wonder how the East side fared... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted October 31, 2012 Share #260 Posted October 31, 2012 Is the Manhattan bridge line flooded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted October 31, 2012 Share #261 Posted October 31, 2012 Not that I know of, but there's no power on the Manhattan side, so don't expect anything to be running over the bridge either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted October 31, 2012 Share #262 Posted October 31, 2012 Not that I know of, but there's no power on the Manhattan side, so don't expect anything to be running over the bridge either. I didn't see anything in Astoria. What do you think of that? I did see one train at Ditmars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted October 31, 2012 Share #263 Posted October 31, 2012 Well as far as I know, 60 St tunnel is fine, so there's no reason the N/Q can't run from Astoria to somewhere in midtown, as long as they can get some equipment over there (they'll probably have to take some snowbirds from Queens Blvd/Jamaica). 53 and all tunnels south of it are another story..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted October 31, 2012 Share #264 Posted October 31, 2012 Oh, the station. I misread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted October 31, 2012 Share #265 Posted October 31, 2012 This isn't 9/11. The will NOT BE GOING TO BROOKLYN!!!! We don't have the crews for it, it makes the route WAY TOO LONG, and just confuses the passengers. Not to mention that we won't be seeing ANY service in Manhattan for quite a while either. All I can say is that these Fast Tracks really helped us (and you) prepare for what's to come. Except that the 7th Avenue FastTracks plan has both and trains terminating at 34th Street and trains replacing the to New Lots and trains replacing the to Flatbush. That can only be done if the Joralemon Street tunnel is available and the Clark Street tunnel is not. On the other hand, if Clark Street tunnel is able to be restored sooner rather than later and the is not able to come back for quite a while, then wouldn't it make sense to have the temporarily replace the in Brooklyn? You say you don't have the crews for an extended 1 service to New Lots, but if the 3 remains suspended long-term, then wouldn't those 3 crews be available to operate the extra trains needed for an extended 1? In 2001 and 2002, they had enough crews to operate a to/from New Lots AND a shortened to/from 14th. How would there not be enough crews for an extended with no service running? Yes, a 1 service to/from New Lots is a long, local route. But the MTA ran it from September 20, 2001 to September 15, 2002, after realizing they just couldn't run the and local from 96th to Chambers and the express from 96th to 14th without causing extensive delays outside 96th St due to express and local trains constantly crossing in front of each other. Changing for the at Times Square might also not be an option either. The and operate so close to each other in Lower Manhattan, that I would be very surprised if the didn't suffer nearly as much flooding as the did. But I guess we'll find out in the coming days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted October 31, 2012 Share #266 Posted October 31, 2012 Nope, Newtown tunnel is flooded. Yes, 14/Bedford is flooded. Canarsie is fine though. Don't expect any service other than the El portion for a while.... That's flooded too.... Any progress with the pumping out the water in these areas? The Franklin shuttle is flooded? That's not near water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted October 31, 2012 Share #267 Posted October 31, 2012 207th street IS Flooded with a Nice R46 sitting right in the middle of the water.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Railfan Posted October 31, 2012 Share #268 Posted October 31, 2012 How bad is it flooded? Like south ferry bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted October 31, 2012 Share #269 Posted October 31, 2012 Yeah, they did the Joralemon Tubes first (because you gotta keep those UES'ers happy!) so that tunnel will be good to go as soon as the power gets back. I don't have the details on the Franklin Shuttle, just that there is too much damage for shuttle service to run yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted October 31, 2012 Share #270 Posted October 31, 2012 Oh that's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted October 31, 2012 Share #271 Posted October 31, 2012 Just admit that you want to see a R62A in Brooklyn. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK 7212 Posted October 31, 2012 Share #272 Posted October 31, 2012 Mark my words the 1 WILL go to New Lots whenever subway service is restored to Brooklyn and not South Ferry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narig Posted October 31, 2012 Share #273 Posted October 31, 2012 Here is the Google Superstorm Sandy map for NYC: http://google.org/crisismap/2012-sandy-nyc I have one question: Can anyone tell me did NYCTA move their equipment (subway cars,maint equipment, etc) out of areas of potential flooding? It is one reason why MTA may have shut system down in advance was to get equipment to high ground. I remember New Orleans was not able to move their brand new streetcars for the Canal St line(New Orleans) away from low ground before Katrina. The result was the loss of all the new cars. (The carhouse for the older equipment was on higher ground). My thoughts and prayers for everyone affected by this. Thanks From Hope, Ar IGN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 Lexington Ave Posted October 31, 2012 Share #274 Posted October 31, 2012 Here is the Google Superstorm Sandy map for NYC: http://google.org/cr.../2012-sandy-nyc I have one question: Can anyone tell me did NYCTA move their equipment (subway cars,maint equipment, etc) out of areas of potential flooding? It is one reason why MTA may have shut system down in advance was to get equipment to high ground. I remember New Orleans was not able to move their brand new streetcars for the Canal St line(New Orleans) away from low ground before Katrina. The result was the loss of all the new cars. (The carhouse for the older equipment was on higher ground). My thoughts and prayers for everyone affected by this. Thanks From Hope, Ar IGN Yes, they did move the trains. But there are many other problems right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narig Posted October 31, 2012 Share #275 Posted October 31, 2012 A couple of other comments. As I remember the Manhattan side of the Williamsburg bridge subway (J?) is below sea level. Maybe I'm wrong it's been a number of years since I've been in the city. Thx Again From Hope, Ar IGN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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