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Hurricane Sandy: Before and After the Storm: Subway service


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Now that they had to rip out all the signals and tracks and put new ones in, you wonder if the days of blasting into Broad Channel 40+ n/b and 45+ s/b are over (aka timers added coming into Broad Channel s/b or in both directions).

 

That's a long way off as it's going to take six months of more to repair the line (you have to wonder if they will use this to also install for eventual CBTCing of that branch since they have to install new stuff anyway, or will they consider scrapping CBTC entirely post-Sandy). That said, they may very well build to strengthen the tracks to allow at least a return for the super fast speeds and also allow for R160s and later to run on that branch.

 

As also noted, what I would be now also doing is to make sure all four tracks along that branch are fully built along with island platforms at both Aqueduct-North Conduit and the Racetrack stations and a side platform on the southbound side at the racetrack (with bridges to all platforms at each entrance) plus necessary switches in order to down the road facilitate short-turn trains on the Rockaway Branch terminating at either the racetrack and/or North Conduit as needed.

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That's a long way off as it's going to take six months of more to repair the line (you have to wonder if they will use this to also install for eventual CBTCing of that branch since they have to install new stuff anyway (they won't), or will they consider scrapping CBTC entirely post-Sandy). That said, they may very well build to strengthen the tracks to allow at least a return for the super fast speeds and also allow for R160s and later to run on that branch.

 

As also noted, what I would be now also doing is to make sure all four tracks along that branch are fully built along with island platforms at both Aqueduct-North Conduit and the Racetrack(those stations weren't damaged) stations and a side platform on the southbound side at the racetrack (with bridges to all platforms at each entrance) plus necessary switches in order to down the road facilitate short-turn trains on the Rockaway Branch terminating at either the racetrack and/or North Conduit as needed (that's what Howard Beach is for).

 

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Once power is restored we will indeed see S trains running Far Rock-Rock Pk.

It will be weird seeing R32s and I'm assuming in four car sets

 

 

Negative Eight car sets...

 

For that shuttle, they run 3 sets at 20 minute headways. Its been done for years during GOs. And with 20 cars, they'll have 3 4-car trains with 2 4-car sets as spares. Running 8 car sets will give them 2 trains with a 4 car spare

 

They will run 8 car trains, have you seen them run 4 car R32's?
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That's a long way off as it's going to take six months of more to repair the line (you have to wonder if they will use this to also install for eventual CBTCing of that branch since they have to install new stuff anyway, or will they consider scrapping CBTC entirely post-Sandy). That said, they may very well build to strengthen the tracks to allow at least a return for the super fast speeds and also allow for R160s and later to run on that branch.

 

 

If the (MTA) decides to install timers on the flats then thats their prerogative, but why would/should they entirely scrap CBTC?

 

Btw, Howard Beach/JFK makes a much better/logical terminal than North Conduit Avenue, let alone Aqueduct Racetrack.

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This past week, the MTA urged (M) riders to use the (J) and transfer for the (F) at Essex because of overcrowding. The (L) had already been restored by Thursday and Friday. What was/is going on? Some of those service advisories were in the evening hours.

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This past week, the MTA urged (M) riders to use the (J) and transfer for the (F) at Essex because of overcrowding. The (L) had already been restored by Thursday and Friday. What was/is going on? Some of those service advisories were in the evening hours.

 

 

Exactly what they said. Overcrowding.....

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theres about 14 cars right now in rockaway pk yard, and no they wouldn't run them in 4 cars sets, i would say 6-8 cars, 6 cars will be good so they have a high amount of spares and late night they can run em in 4 car sets, in the early 90's they even ran 2 cars on the (H) for a very breif time and there's photo evidence of it

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Exactly what they said. Overcrowding.....

 

 

That does not answer my question. What is the explanation for this "overcrowding?" This is a line that was almost relegated to shuttle service just a few years ago. It has seen steady growth in ridership since it was rerouted to Forest Hills and it has siphoned some ridership from the (L). But I have never seen this line crush loaded to the point of service advisories encouraging the use of the (J) instead.

 

(L) service had already been restored (November 8-9) by the time the (M) was declared overcrowded; some of the service advisories were past 9pm.

 

I have been using this line since the 1960s and I can't account for such a dramatic increase in ridership especially on off-peak hours. Ridgewood is becoming fashionable as are parts of Bedfor-Stuyvesant and Williamsburg but gentrification has been gradual, not overnight. I would love to hear an insightful analysis of what's happening. Is this just a fluke for this week or is the (M) something of a wunderkind?

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That does not answer my question. What is the explanation for this "overcrowding?" This is a line that was almost relegated to shuttle service just a few years ago. It has seen steady growth in ridership since it was rerouted to Forest Hills and it has siphoned some ridership from the (L). But I have never seen this line crush loaded to the point of service advisories encouraging the use of the (J) instead.

 

(L) service had already been restored (November 8-9) by the time the (M) was declared overcrowded; some of the service advisories were past 9pm.

 

I have been using this line since the 1960s and I can't account for such a dramatic increase in ridership especially on off-peak hours. Ridgewood is becoming fashionable as are parts of Bedfor-Stuyvesant and Williamsburg but gentrification has been gradual, not overnight. I would love to hear an insightful analysis of what's happening. Is this just a fluke for this week or is the (M) something of a wunderkind?

 

 

Thats because the major CBTC components were removed before the storm, and they aren't running the normal amount of (L) trains (including the recently added train sets) so there are less trainsets running so thats why they are telling riders to use the (M) train, if the tunnel just got flooded what do you expect, there's a reason why they said limited service

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If the (MTA) decides to install timers on the flats then thats their prerogative, but why would/should they entirely scrap CBTC?

 

Btw, Howard Beach/JFK makes a much better/logical terminal than North Conduit Avenue, let alone Aqueduct Racetrack.

 

 

Horse racing is apparently much more important that it should be the terminal.

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Thats because the major CBTC components were removed before the storm, and they aren't running the normal amount of (L) trains (including the recently added train sets) so there are less trainsets running so thats why they are telling riders to use the (M) train, if the tunnel just got flooded what do you expect, there's a reason why they said limited service

 

And this is why I feel they may have to re-think about using CBTC and possibly going back to the old way in the wake of a storm like this. Unless they can eventually make everything CBTC, it takes away flexibility, something I think Sandy taught us we need more of in the system in case a storm like that ever happens again (and there are those who do think those are going to become more common thanks to climate change)..

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JFK = slots and table games. Increased service doesn't mean you must sit a train there ready to depart 24/7, 19/7, or whatever/7. Yankee Stadium/Citi Field/Barclays get specified trains to handle a large extra rush of customers during off peak times in areas that have reduced service when these games usually end (note that weekday afternoon baseball games hardly get any specials at all as its rush hour). That's not that same thing as higher overall ridership due to a consistent swell of passengers for a casino.

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Horse racing is apparently much more important that it should be the terminal.

 

It's not that North Conduit and the Racetrack are more important (Howard Beach certainly takes priority), but there are going to be times where Howard beach needs to be worked on where trains COULD operate from North Conduit and/or the Racetrack stations. With the Casino at Aqueduct likely growing over time, it will become increasingly important to make sure train service is maintained there at almost all times. That's why as part of this I do what I previously mentioned about making either North Conduit or the Racetrack a four-track, three-platform (two side and one island platform) station to allow when necessary for trains to turn there if Howard Beach needs to have work done.

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