Wallyhorse Posted November 11, 2012 Share #876 Posted November 11, 2012 Now that they had to rip out all the signals and tracks and put new ones in, you wonder if the days of blasting into Broad Channel 40+ n/b and 45+ s/b are over (aka timers added coming into Broad Channel s/b or in both directions). That's a long way off as it's going to take six months of more to repair the line (you have to wonder if they will use this to also install for eventual CBTCing of that branch since they have to install new stuff anyway, or will they consider scrapping CBTC entirely post-Sandy). That said, they may very well build to strengthen the tracks to allow at least a return for the super fast speeds and also allow for R160s and later to run on that branch. As also noted, what I would be now also doing is to make sure all four tracks along that branch are fully built along with island platforms at both Aqueduct-North Conduit and the Racetrack stations and a side platform on the southbound side at the racetrack (with bridges to all platforms at each entrance) plus necessary switches in order to down the road facilitate short-turn trains on the Rockaway Branch terminating at either the racetrack and/or North Conduit as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted November 11, 2012 Share #877 Posted November 11, 2012 That's a long way off as it's going to take six months of more to repair the line (you have to wonder if they will use this to also install for eventual CBTCing of that branch since they have to install new stuff anyway (they won't), or will they consider scrapping CBTC entirely post-Sandy). That said, they may very well build to strengthen the tracks to allow at least a return for the super fast speeds and also allow for R160s and later to run on that branch. As also noted, what I would be now also doing is to make sure all four tracks along that branch are fully built along with island platforms at both Aqueduct-North Conduit and the Racetrack(those stations weren't damaged) stations and a side platform on the southbound side at the racetrack (with bridges to all platforms at each entrance) plus necessary switches in order to down the road facilitate short-turn trains on the Rockaway Branch terminating at either the racetrack and/or North Conduit as needed (that's what Howard Beach is for). replies in red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted November 11, 2012 Share #878 Posted November 11, 2012 It can be tomorrow, it can be next year, that's just my random thought from the operational point of view (which many on here are interested in since they're chomping at the bit to get at the controls). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted November 11, 2012 Share #879 Posted November 11, 2012 How are they turning trains at chambers and how long till the comes back together as 1 whole line instead of the split ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted November 11, 2012 Share #880 Posted November 11, 2012 How are they turning trains at chambers and how long till the comes back together as 1 whole line instead of the split ? The is turning around though the South Ferry loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted November 11, 2012 Share #881 Posted November 11, 2012 The is turning around though the South Ferry loop. hmm..... sounds like a slow down to me. But if it works........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted November 11, 2012 Share #882 Posted November 11, 2012 Once power is restored we will indeed see S trains running Far Rock-Rock Pk. It will be weird seeing R32s and I'm assuming in four car sets Negative Eight car sets... For that shuttle, they run 3 sets at 20 minute headways. Its been done for years during GOs. And with 20 cars, they'll have 3 4-car trains with 2 4-car sets as spares. Running 8 car sets will give them 2 trains with a 4 car spare They will run 8 car trains, have you seen them run 4 car R32's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted November 11, 2012 Share #883 Posted November 11, 2012 It can be tomorrow, it can be next year, that's just my random thought from the operational point of view (which many on here are interested in since they're chomping at the bit to get at the controls). Bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted November 11, 2012 Share #884 Posted November 11, 2012 The Power of water amazing isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted November 11, 2012 Share #885 Posted November 11, 2012 That's a long way off as it's going to take six months of more to repair the line (you have to wonder if they will use this to also install for eventual CBTCing of that branch since they have to install new stuff anyway, or will they consider scrapping CBTC entirely post-Sandy). That said, they may very well build to strengthen the tracks to allow at least a return for the super fast speeds and also allow for R160s and later to run on that branch. If the decides to install timers on the flats then thats their prerogative, but why would/should they entirely scrap CBTC? Btw, Howard Beach/JFK makes a much better/logical terminal than North Conduit Avenue, let alone Aqueduct Racetrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RtrainBlues Posted November 11, 2012 Share #886 Posted November 11, 2012 Is it likely that most G.O's will be cancelled for the next 6 months so that those resources can be deployed to help with the recovery of the A, R and 1 trains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted November 11, 2012 Share #887 Posted November 11, 2012 Actuallly RTO, I have seen 4-car R32 consists. They ran on the H till it was replaced by the current S. 8-car trains are confirmed? What's the total number of cars to be trucked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted November 11, 2012 Share #888 Posted November 11, 2012 4 car R32 sets also ran on the C on weekends until the late 1990s. As well as on the Franklin Shuttle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted November 11, 2012 Share #889 Posted November 11, 2012 4 car R32 sets also ran on the C on weekends until the late 1990s. As well as on the Franklin Shuttle When the began running everyday to Brooklyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted November 11, 2012 Share #890 Posted November 11, 2012 This past week, the MTA urged riders to use the and transfer for the at Essex because of overcrowding. The had already been restored by Thursday and Friday. What was/is going on? Some of those service advisories were in the evening hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted November 12, 2012 Share #891 Posted November 12, 2012 This past week, the MTA urged riders to use the and transfer for the at Essex because of overcrowding. The had already been restored by Thursday and Friday. What was/is going on? Some of those service advisories were in the evening hours. Exactly what they said. Overcrowding..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted November 12, 2012 Share #892 Posted November 12, 2012 Exactly what they said. Overcrowding..... You'd expect them to put that on every train's advisory then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted November 12, 2012 Share #893 Posted November 12, 2012 theres about 14 cars right now in rockaway pk yard, and no they wouldn't run them in 4 cars sets, i would say 6-8 cars, 6 cars will be good so they have a high amount of spares and late night they can run em in 4 car sets, in the early 90's they even ran 2 cars on the for a very breif time and there's photo evidence of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted November 12, 2012 Share #894 Posted November 12, 2012 You'd expect them to put that on every train's advisory then. It's a 8 TPH, 8 car train taking up ridership from one of, if not the most used line in the system. It was probably much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted November 12, 2012 Share #895 Posted November 12, 2012 Exactly what they said. Overcrowding..... That does not answer my question. What is the explanation for this "overcrowding?" This is a line that was almost relegated to shuttle service just a few years ago. It has seen steady growth in ridership since it was rerouted to Forest Hills and it has siphoned some ridership from the . But I have never seen this line crush loaded to the point of service advisories encouraging the use of the instead. service had already been restored (November 8-9) by the time the was declared overcrowded; some of the service advisories were past 9pm. I have been using this line since the 1960s and I can't account for such a dramatic increase in ridership especially on off-peak hours. Ridgewood is becoming fashionable as are parts of Bedfor-Stuyvesant and Williamsburg but gentrification has been gradual, not overnight. I would love to hear an insightful analysis of what's happening. Is this just a fluke for this week or is the something of a wunderkind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted November 12, 2012 Share #896 Posted November 12, 2012 That does not answer my question. What is the explanation for this "overcrowding?" This is a line that was almost relegated to shuttle service just a few years ago. It has seen steady growth in ridership since it was rerouted to Forest Hills and it has siphoned some ridership from the . But I have never seen this line crush loaded to the point of service advisories encouraging the use of the instead. service had already been restored (November 8-9) by the time the was declared overcrowded; some of the service advisories were past 9pm. I have been using this line since the 1960s and I can't account for such a dramatic increase in ridership especially on off-peak hours. Ridgewood is becoming fashionable as are parts of Bedfor-Stuyvesant and Williamsburg but gentrification has been gradual, not overnight. I would love to hear an insightful analysis of what's happening. Is this just a fluke for this week or is the something of a wunderkind? Thats because the major CBTC components were removed before the storm, and they aren't running the normal amount of trains (including the recently added train sets) so there are less trainsets running so thats why they are telling riders to use the train, if the tunnel just got flooded what do you expect, there's a reason why they said limited service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted November 12, 2012 Share #897 Posted November 12, 2012 If the decides to install timers on the flats then thats their prerogative, but why would/should they entirely scrap CBTC? Btw, Howard Beach/JFK makes a much better/logical terminal than North Conduit Avenue, let alone Aqueduct Racetrack. Horse racing is apparently much more important that it should be the terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted November 12, 2012 Share #898 Posted November 12, 2012 Thats because the major CBTC components were removed before the storm, and they aren't running the normal amount of trains (including the recently added train sets) so there are less trainsets running so thats why they are telling riders to use the train, if the tunnel just got flooded what do you expect, there's a reason why they said limited service And this is why I feel they may have to re-think about using CBTC and possibly going back to the old way in the wake of a storm like this. Unless they can eventually make everything CBTC, it takes away flexibility, something I think Sandy taught us we need more of in the system in case a storm like that ever happens again (and there are those who do think those are going to become more common thanks to climate change).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted November 12, 2012 Share #899 Posted November 12, 2012 JFK = slots and table games. Increased service doesn't mean you must sit a train there ready to depart 24/7, 19/7, or whatever/7. Yankee Stadium/Citi Field/Barclays get specified trains to handle a large extra rush of customers during off peak times in areas that have reduced service when these games usually end (note that weekday afternoon baseball games hardly get any specials at all as its rush hour). That's not that same thing as higher overall ridership due to a consistent swell of passengers for a casino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted November 12, 2012 Share #900 Posted November 12, 2012 Horse racing is apparently much more important that it should be the terminal. It's not that North Conduit and the Racetrack are more important (Howard Beach certainly takes priority), but there are going to be times where Howard beach needs to be worked on where trains COULD operate from North Conduit and/or the Racetrack stations. With the Casino at Aqueduct likely growing over time, it will become increasingly important to make sure train service is maintained there at almost all times. That's why as part of this I do what I previously mentioned about making either North Conduit or the Racetrack a four-track, three-platform (two side and one island platform) station to allow when necessary for trains to turn there if Howard Beach needs to have work done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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