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The commuters who take the Morris & Essex Line from South Orange station to and from New York Penn Station are upset because they lost an express train due to the new schedule that took effect October 14th.

 

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We had a whole discussion about this in another forum. The new schedule adds 10 mins to the trip.....10 minutes is a pimple on the ass of time! This is just more whining from people that think that their time is more important than everybody else on the M&E line.

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We had a whole discussion about this in another forum. The new schedule adds 10 mins to the trip.....10 minutes is a pimple on the ass of time! This is just more whining from people that think that their time is more important than everybody else on the M&E line.

 

sad but then again from what I heard NJT train speeds have drastically dropped over the years.

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We had a whole discussion about this in another forum. The new schedule adds 10 mins to the trip.....10 minutes is a pimple on the ass of time! This is just more whining from people that think that their time is more important than everybody else on the M&E line.

 

 

Actually No, what they are upset about is the 5:54 Express has been Moved to 6:19 AS A LOCAL which adds way more than 10 minutes to the commute, this was a very poor move on NJ Transit's behalf. South Orange is the 2nd Busiest stop on the entire Morris & Essex Line behind Summit (where virtually all trains stop) so it's not necessarily a matter of people thinking their "more important" than others on the line..its a known service planning strategy that you allocate your resources where the most demand is needed.

 

Train 6435 (5:54 Gladstone Exp), originally stopped at Brick Church, South Orange and Summit before heading to the Gladstone Branch it was a 9-car Single Level Set (1,035 seats) and most likely began to suffer from overcrowding from the combination of having both South Orange and Summit being on one train at the height of Rush Hour. Even though this train is only one of two that serves the Gladstone Branch, the majority of its riders come from the "Inner Zone" which are stations between Summit and NY Penn Station.

 

The only reasoning I could make out of this new schedule change is NJ Transit most likely assumed that 6435's (5:54 Gladstone Exp) passengers would use the revised 6653 (6:08 Dover express) which was moved to 5:48 in the new schedule and absorbed 6435's stopping pattern between Summit and NYC before making all stops to Dover.. The 6:08 uses a 9-car Multi-Level set and offers 1,224 seats which most likely would be more effective in a 5:48 slot as opposed to the 6:08 slot. This also resulted in 6651 (originally the 5:48 express to Maplewood-Millburn-Short Hills then all stops Chatham thru Dover being moved to 5:41) this train also uses a 9-car Multi-Level Set. A change like this would normally negatively affect both South Orange and Maplewood passengers, but here is how Maplewood lucked out and S.Orange screwed over.

 

In the new schedule, 6435 becomes 6437 (6:10 Gladstone Express) stopping at Maplewood Station only before continuing on to the Gladstone Branch, I am assuming Maplewood is the only stop being made because of the equipment swap. If anyone noticed, the new 6:10 Gladstone Express uses an 8-car single level set while the 5:19 now has the 9-car set. So even though they lost an express train in the late 5'o clock hour they have one in the early 6'o clock hour that operates nonstop to their town. South Orange commuters however, who can't make the new 5:48 departure now must wait until 6:19 FOR A LOCAL. The new 6355 (6:19 Local) makes ALL STOPS to South Orange which understandably sucks. People who were taking a 5:54 express and getting home at 6:23 are now taking a local train that is getting them home at 7:00. Meanwhile all the other "Inner Zone Midtown Direct" Stations still have express service. The revised 6620 (6:21 Dover Departure) actually gets to Millburn before the 6:19 gets to South Orange.

 

Next schedule revision, this will most likely change, which may/or may not be as soon as the Kearney Connector is restored from Hurricane Sandy since major schedule changes will be happening anyway.

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Actually No, what they are upset about is the 5:54 Express has been Moved to 6:19 AS A LOCAL which adds way more than 10 minutes to the commute, this was a very poor move on NJ Transit's behalf. South Orange is the 2nd Busiest stop on the entire Morris & Essex Line behind Summit (where virtually all trains stop) so it's not necessarily a matter of people thinking their "more important" than others on the line..its a known service planning strategy that you allocate your resources where the most demand is needed.

 

Train 6435 (5:54 Gladstone Exp), originally stopped at Brick Church, South Orange and Summit before heading to the Gladstone Branch it was a 9-car Single Level Set (1,035 seats) and most likely began to suffer from overcrowding from the combination of having both South Orange and Summit being on one train at the height of Rush Hour. Even though this train is only one of two that serves the Gladstone Branch, the majority of its riders come from the "Inner Zone" which are stations between Summit and NY Penn Station.

 

The only reasoning I could make out of this new schedule change is NJ Transit most likely assumed that 6435's (5:54 Gladstone Exp) passengers would use the revised 6653 (6:08 Dover express) which was moved to 5:48 in the new schedule and absorbed 6435's stopping pattern between Summit and NYC before making all stops to Dover.. The 6:08 uses a 9-car Multi-Level set and offers 1,224 seats which most likely would be more effective in a 5:48 slot as opposed to the 6:08 slot. This also resulted in 6651 (originally the 5:48 express to Maplewood-Millburn-Short Hills then all stops Chatham thru Dover being moved to 5:41) this train also uses a 9-car Multi-Level Set. A change like this would normally negatively affect both South Orange and Maplewood passengers, but here is how Maplewood lucked out and S.Orange screwed over.

 

In the new schedule, 6435 becomes 6437 (6:10 Gladstone Express) stopping at Maplewood Station only before continuing on to the Gladstone Branch, I am assuming Maplewood is the only stop being made because of the equipment swap. If anyone noticed, the new 6:10 Gladstone Express uses an 8-car single level set while the 5:19 now has the 9-car set. So even though they lost an express train in the late 5'o clock hour they have one in the early 6'o clock hour that operates nonstop to their town. South Orange commuters however, who can't make the new 5:48 departure now must wait until 6:19 FOR A LOCAL. The new 6355 (6:19 Local) makes ALL STOPS to South Orange which understandably sucks. People who were taking a 5:54 express and getting home at 6:23 are now taking a local train that is getting them home at 7:00. Meanwhile all the other "Inner Zone Midtown Direct" Stations still have express service. The revised 6620 (6:21 Dover Departure) actually gets to Millburn before the 6:19 gets to South Orange.

 

Next schedule revision, this will most likely change, which may/or may not be as soon as the Kearney Connector is restored from Hurricane Sandy since major schedule changes will be happening anyway.

 

Kearny connector? when will service come to it?

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Kearny connector? when will service come to it?

 

 

The Kearny Connector is the section of tracks that allow Midtown Direct trains from the Morris & Essex Lines lines to join the Northeast Corridor and operate directly into Penn Station. It was washed out (no ballast under the tracks) during Hurricane Sandy...in addition to a slew of other issues that hit the M & E lines during the storm, so who knows when service will return.

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The Kearny Connector is the section of tracks that allow Midtown Direct trains from the Morris & Essex Lines lines to join the Northeast Corridor and operate directly into Penn Station. It was washed out (no ballast under the tracks) during Hurricane Sandy...in addition to a slew of other issues that hit the M & E lines during the storm, so who knows when service will return.

 

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