Chargerdodge9 Posted October 27, 2012 Share #1 Posted October 27, 2012 With the 2000 Orion V CNGs slowly retiring, any ideas as to if this will be a busy decade for NICE to by new buses after this 3G VII CNG order? I'm guessing they will order only about 200 new buses between now and 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted October 27, 2012 Share #2 Posted October 27, 2012 With the 2000 Orion V CNGs slowly retiring, any ideas as to if this will be a busy decade for NICE to by new buses after this 3G VII CNG order? I'm guessing they will order only about 200 new buses between now and 2019. The Orion VII CNG buses probably won't be retired until 2021 the earliest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted October 27, 2012 Share #3 Posted October 27, 2012 The Orion VII CNG buses probably won't be retired until 2021 the earliest. Depends what models you're talking about. The maintenance at NICE and LIB may have shortened the life span of the buses (the 1700s and 1800s), I'm not sure. You may want to ask people who know more about the subject than just us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerdodge9 Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share #4 Posted October 27, 2012 I see the 208-2009 Orion VII NG CNGs lasting until about 2024-2025 atleast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerdodge9 Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share #5 Posted October 27, 2012 I see the 2008-2009 Orion VII NG CNGs lasting until about 2024-2025 atleast. Well the rest of the 50 or so 2000 Orion V CNGs will have to go by 2014 and the 2004 Orion V CNGs will probably be retired by the late 2010s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted October 27, 2012 Share #6 Posted October 27, 2012 You could post this in the random thoughts thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerdodge9 Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share #7 Posted October 27, 2012 I can see NICE getting Nabi 40LFW 3G CNGs #1000-1124. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted October 28, 2012 Share #8 Posted October 28, 2012 I can see NICE getting Nabi 40LFW 3G CNGs #1000-1124. NABI 40C's would be better. At the very least, it would prevent another 1804. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerdodge9 Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share #9 Posted November 5, 2012 True, from what I've seen, those buses appear to be very durable. But they will most likely get 40ft CNGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted November 5, 2012 Share #10 Posted November 5, 2012 I can see NICE getting Nabi 40LFW 3G CNGs #1000-1124. Where does that numbering come from? I think NICE plans to continue with the current numbering system and keep going up. True, from what I've seen, those buses appear to be very durable. But they will most likely get 40ft CNGs. I don't see NICE going for NABI, but more likely for New Flyer CNGs. Any buses they get, if not artics, will be 40 ft CNGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted November 5, 2012 Share #11 Posted November 5, 2012 I don't see NICE going for NABI, but more likely for New Flyer CNGs. Any buses they get, if not artics, will be 40 ft CNGs. It's transit anything can happen. You have to consider every other bus builder except Novabus (Novabus doesn't have a CNG option as of yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted November 5, 2012 Share #12 Posted November 5, 2012 I see the 208-2009 Orion VII NG CNGs lasting until about 2024-2025 atleast. 15 year is the max for CNG buses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerdodge9 Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share #13 Posted November 5, 2012 Not anymore, CNG tanks last up until 20 years now. The question is, will the buses themselves hold? Orion claims that the VII can last up til 18 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted November 5, 2012 Share #14 Posted November 5, 2012 True, from what I've seen, those buses appear to be very durable. But they will most likely get 40ft CNGs. That's what a 40C is..... A 40 footer..... 15 year is the max for CNG buses! Not anymore, CNG tanks last up until 20 years now. The question is, will the buses themselves hold? Orion claims that the VII can last up til 18 years. The warranty on the tanks depends on the manufacturer. The ones New Flyer now uses are certified for 20 years. The average, and most popular option was 15 years. Bus warranties are also agreements between the manufacturer and the agency. Some require buses last 12 years, and other require them to last 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted November 5, 2012 Share #15 Posted November 5, 2012 That's what a 40C is..... A 40 footer..... The warranty on the tanks depends on the manufacturer. The ones New Flyer now uses are certified for 20 years. The average, and most popular option was 15 years. Bus warranties are also agreements between the manufacturer and the agency. Some require buses last 12 years, and other require them to last 18. Thanks for the clarification. I can eventually see NABI's 40/45C and NFI's X40 as major players in the "Next Gen" bus industry. Only problem for NABI would be the cost of the bus itself, in contrast to it's competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted November 5, 2012 Share #16 Posted November 5, 2012 I also think they would go for X40's. I'm not sure what NICE plans are but I know from experience here that Veolia is a big fan of lightweight, clean buses so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted November 6, 2012 Share #17 Posted November 6, 2012 That's what a 40C is..... A 40 footer..... The warranty on the tanks depends on the manufacturer. The ones New Flyer now uses are certified for 20 years. The average, and most popular option was 15 years. Bus warranties are also agreements between the manufacturer and the agency. Some require buses last 12 years, and other require them to last 18. Do you know when New Flyer went to 20 year certified tanks? as most systems was 15 year certified tanks. Not anymore, CNG tanks last up until 20 years now. The question is, will the buses themselves hold? Orion claims that the VII can last up til 18 years. Pretty sure Orion was still using 15 year tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerdodge9 Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share #18 Posted November 6, 2012 Do you know when New Flyer went to 20 year certified tanks? as most systems was 15 year certified tanks. Pretty sure Orion was still using 15 year tanks. I believe starting in 2009, they built 20 year tanks. Marta's 2009 C40LFRs are good for 20 years or so I heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted November 6, 2012 Share #19 Posted November 6, 2012 It's transit anything can happen. You have to consider every other bus builder except Novabus (Novabus doesn't have a CNG option as of yet). It was reported last February that NovaBus will introduce a CNG version of the LFS in 2013 (or whenever they win their first bid for CNG buses). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerdodge9 Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share #20 Posted November 11, 2012 Oh joy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted November 11, 2012 Share #21 Posted November 11, 2012 It was reported last February that NovaBus will introduce a CNG version of the LFS in 2013 (or whenever they win their first bid for CNG buses). That will be interesting to see who gets the contract for future CNG buses. Thanks for the info by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerdodge9 Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share #22 Posted November 11, 2012 That will be interesting to see who gets the contract for future CNG buses. Thanks for the info by the way. I don't think they will go with Novabus. They would need time to test their bus before they could sell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted November 11, 2012 Share #23 Posted November 11, 2012 I don't think they will go with Novabus. They would need time to test their bus before they could sell it. Ain't nobody spoke of Novabus.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted November 11, 2012 Share #24 Posted November 11, 2012 I don't think they will go with Novabus. They would need time to test their bus before they could sell it. Not necessarily - Gillig did the Altoona test for their CNG version of the Low Floor only a few months before they delivered production buses to Akron Metro, so they must have bid on that order before the testing was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerdodge9 Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share #25 Posted November 11, 2012 I just have a feeling that it will be Nabi or New Flyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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