aemoreira81 Posted November 11, 2012 Share #26 Posted November 11, 2012 The Orion VII CNG buses probably won't be retired until 2021 the earliest. If they're like most Orion buses - the tanks are certified for 15 years, and as such, they will need replacement in about 3-4 years. The new C40LFs, on the other hand, will not have to be replaced until 2031-2 on tanks alone (if the bodies hold up that long); they have 20 year tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerdodge9 Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share #27 Posted November 11, 2012 The Orion VII NG CNGs (and OG CNGs) are said to last between 15 and 18 years. All CNGs built in 2001 and later have CNG tanks that last for atleast 15 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted November 12, 2012 Share #28 Posted November 12, 2012 It's not about when Nassau/Veolia/nice decides to retire the buses that will cause them to order buses but rather when Nassau/Veolia/nice gets funding for new buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted November 12, 2012 Share #29 Posted November 12, 2012 It's not about when Nassau/Veolia/nice decides to retire the buses that will cause them to order buses but rather when Nassau/Veolia/nice gets funding for new buses. Which will probably come again in the next two-three years to fully retire the rest of the Orion Vs. Who knows, it may even come next year for all we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted November 12, 2012 Share #30 Posted November 12, 2012 According to this notice from Nassau County, they are requesting Federal funds to purchase 40 CNG buses in fiscal year 2013. Adding these units to the 43 buses currently on order would allow NICE to replace almost all of the 2000-2002 Orion V's. http://www.nassaucou...nts/2013POP.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted November 12, 2012 Share #31 Posted November 12, 2012 According to this notice from Nassau County, they are requesting Federal funds to purchase 40 CNG buses in fiscal year 2013. Adding these units to the 43 buses currently on order would allow NICE to replace almost all of the 2000-2002 Orion V's. http://www.nassaucou...nts/2013POP.pdf Well, given the time to get the funds and the order to be placed, the buses would probably not arrive until 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgood6195 Posted December 6, 2012 Share #32 Posted December 6, 2012 I think the newer 2003-2004 Orion V CNGs have until about 2015-2016 timeframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgood6195 Posted December 19, 2012 Share #33 Posted December 19, 2012 After this order of 3Gs end, there will be about 50 or so 2000 Orion V CNGs left in service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted December 20, 2012 Share #34 Posted December 20, 2012 After this order of 3Gs end, there will be about 50 or so 2000 Orion V CNGs left in service. Do you work for NICE? How do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted December 20, 2012 Share #35 Posted December 20, 2012 After this order of 3Gs end, there will be about 50 or so 2000 Orion V CNGs left in service. What will replace those buses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgood6195 Posted December 20, 2012 Share #36 Posted December 20, 2012 They are suppose to get about 40 new CNGs next year (what model, I don't know). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted December 20, 2012 Share #37 Posted December 20, 2012 They are suppose to get about 40 new CNGs next year (what model, I don't know). This smells like foma! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted December 20, 2012 Share #38 Posted December 20, 2012 They are suppose to get about 40 new CNGs next year (what model, I don't know). Where are you getting all this information? IF that is true, they're better off buying an artic demo first and testing it out on some NICE routes and if that works out, maybe buy 30 of them. Imagine seeing this at NICE: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgood6195 Posted December 20, 2012 Share #39 Posted December 20, 2012 I just don't see them getting artics for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted December 20, 2012 Share #40 Posted December 20, 2012 I agree and not 30 to start. Also think of the requred training there probably are not many (if any) experienced nice drivers. Does anyone know how long it takes for an experienced B/O to be trained to drive an artic? When the MTA Nova Artics were being sent down to NJ the comany contracting the deliverys they were having a hard time keeping up and offered drivers an incentive to go uo to Plattsburgh and take them down. It was a good amount of money for a days work (day and a half depending on where you're from). Anyway, they always tried to get to take artics down to NJ, I'd tell them I've never driven an artic before and always be assured "it's not that different than a 40' straight bus." I'd say No, no, no... I really wish I had now that I look back on it but was afraid I'd take out a toll booth or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted December 20, 2012 Share #41 Posted December 20, 2012 I agree and not 30 to start. Also think of the requred training there probably are not many (if any) experienced nice drivers. Does anyone know how long it takes for an experienced B/O to be trained to drive an artic? Well, the 30 I suggested would only be after NICE has tested a demo artic and see if they could fit them on the routes most needing like the n6. I said 30 artics because isn't that around the same amount of money that it costs to buy 40x 40' buses. 30 would also be sufficient enough to handle rush hour loads on the routes to/from Jamaica that are always insanely packed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgood6195 Posted December 20, 2012 Share #42 Posted December 20, 2012 Okay, but are the depots able to handle Artics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted December 20, 2012 Share #43 Posted December 20, 2012 Considering how many Orion Vs LIB ordered over the last decade, I wouldn't call it "slow." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgood6195 Posted December 20, 2012 Share #44 Posted December 20, 2012 What? it took them about 3 years to retire the 1997 Orion V CNGs alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgood6195 Posted December 21, 2012 Share #45 Posted December 21, 2012 I can imagine how long it will take them to retire the 1526-1632 group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted December 21, 2012 Share #46 Posted December 21, 2012 It all depends when they get funds and when the county can afford to pony up the additional 20% the funding doesn't cover rather than when they ddecide to retire a group of buses. Nothing more nothing less no need to imagine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted December 21, 2012 Share #47 Posted December 21, 2012 The buses are gonna be auctioned off for probably around 2k each again, but NICE will say they make another half million off it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgood6195 Posted December 21, 2012 Share #48 Posted December 21, 2012 Wow, good luck selling all those 12 year old CNG buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted December 21, 2012 Share #49 Posted December 21, 2012 Wow, good luck selling all those 12 year old CNG buses. They already auctioned off the other Vs they had by online auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted December 22, 2012 Share #50 Posted December 22, 2012 This smells like foma! It's real: http://www.nassaucou...nts/2013POP.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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