DaTransitMan4608 Posted September 19, 2013 Share #476 Posted September 19, 2013 Why is that? 1. The drivers seem to want nothing to do with them (as I've heard), and their supervisor probably understands why since they keep breaking down. 2. They're waiting to be exchanged with MCIs. And instead of sending them out, only for them to break down again, they'd rather leave them parked until MCI comes to take them or they get scrapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted September 19, 2013 Share #477 Posted September 19, 2013 So they'll be sending the buses back to Designline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted September 19, 2013 Share #478 Posted September 19, 2013 So they'll be sending the buses back to Designline? I doubt it. DesignLine went under man. They aren't gonna be making anymore buses in the financial state they're in now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted September 19, 2013 Share #479 Posted September 19, 2013 Lemons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdude2 Posted September 19, 2013 Share #480 Posted September 19, 2013 As of late, only 4-5 have been sent out in service. Thanks last I heard most were parked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted September 19, 2013 Share #481 Posted September 19, 2013 1. The drivers seem to want nothing to do with them (as I've heard), and their supervisor probably understands why since they keep breaking down. 2. They're waiting to be exchanged with MCIs. And instead of sending them out, only for them to break down again, they'd rather leave them parked until MCI comes to take them or they get scrapped. What buses are you talking about? What buses are going where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted September 20, 2013 Share #482 Posted September 20, 2013 What buses are you talking about? What buses are going where? The ones for which this thread is named...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted September 20, 2013 Share #483 Posted September 20, 2013 What buses are you talking about? What buses are going where? The DesignLine EcoCoaches. MCI might come and take them off of NJT's hands, and in return, MCI might give NJT 76 D4500 CNGs. However that depends on some legal decisions NJT has to make. But for now, NJT is supposed to get an extra 84 CNG buses from MCI to replace all of the older MCI CNG buses. Hope that was descriptive enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted September 20, 2013 Share #484 Posted September 20, 2013 The DesignLine EcoCoaches. MCI might come and take them off of NJT's hands, and in return, MCI might give NJT 76 D4500 CNGs. However that depends on some legal decisions NJT has to make. But for now, NJT is supposed to get an extra 84 CNG buses from MCI to replace all of the older MCI CNG buses. Hope that was descriptive enough. Thank you. Pretty interesting that MCI would take them off of MCI's hands, where do you think they'd end up or do you think they'd just sit in MCI's used inventory? How many buses are we talking about? However that depends on some legal decisions NJT has to make. But for now, NJT is supposed to get an extra 84 CNG buses from MCI to replace all of the older MCI CNG buses. Sounds like Designline dropped the ball and violated the contract. That's why I originally thought the buses would go back to DesignLign, ie you violated then contract, couldn't produce, here's your buses back we'll be taking our business elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinePower Posted September 20, 2013 Share #485 Posted September 20, 2013 I just knew the Eco-Lemons would be junk.....and will probably be the newest NJT buses to go to the scrapper..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted September 20, 2013 Share #486 Posted September 20, 2013 I just knew the Eco-Lemons would be junk.....and will probably be the newest NJT buses to go to the scrapper..lol To be honest, who didn't see this coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted September 20, 2013 Share #487 Posted September 20, 2013 I just knew the Eco-Lemons would be junk.....and will probably be the newest NJT buses to go to the scrapper..lol I don't think anyone is going to destroy brand new buses, NJT would never get their money back then. It sucks for any new builders like RTS, I thought they would've had a real shot with NJT when/if they get up and running. BUT after this learning lesson NJT might decide to go with trusted and true builders who've worked for them instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted September 20, 2013 Author Share #488 Posted September 20, 2013 Burrstone, on 19 Sept 2013 - 11:25 PM, said: I don't think anyone is going to destroy brand new buses, NJT would never get their money back then. It sucks for any new builders like RTS, I thought they would've had a real shot with NJT when/if they get up and running. BUT after this learning lesson NJT might decide to go with trusted and true builders who've worked for them instead. Except in this situation, MCI never bidded on the CNG contract. Hence why we have Designlines! Had a pretty interesting ride on 7204 earlier tonight on the 130. I actually saw a bunch of them deadheading to PABT today and some along the way to Howell P&R....about 8 or so buses. The ride was pretty good, a bit rough in some parts along the way. I have to ask a question though....what in the BLUE HELL is the big deal with the seats?! It reclines pretty far back, just an inch or too off of what the MCI recline is....the seats themselves were comfortable and passengers on my bus seemed to be pleased with it altogether. And whoever says that Howell customers are clean....you gotta be kidding me, there was garbage in the middle and rear of the bus. No wonder why Howell MCIs got bedbugs and shit smh. And for those who say the buses are slow....my bus was MOVING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted September 20, 2013 Share #489 Posted September 20, 2013 Damn, what app is that? I've been looking for something like that for yers (maybe not too hard lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted September 20, 2013 Author Share #490 Posted September 20, 2013 Damn, what app is that? I've been looking for something like that for yers (maybe not too hard lol) If you got Android, look for Ulysse Speedometer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted September 21, 2013 Share #491 Posted September 21, 2013 With the Designline going through bankruptcy and most likely legal action and countersuit between NJT and Designline those coaches will be in legal limbo for the next few years. So I dont see them going to MCI or being scrapped anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdude2 Posted September 21, 2013 Share #492 Posted September 21, 2013 With the Designline going through bankruptcy and most likely legal action and countersuit between NJT and Designline those coaches will be in legal limbo for the next few years. That's why I am surprised they were not taken out of service. Putting miles on them does not go well for NJT's case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashThunder Posted September 22, 2013 Share #493 Posted September 22, 2013 That's why I am surprised they were not taken out of service. Putting miles on them does not go well for NJT's case. I guess thats why I don't see many of them at Weehawken lot during non rush hours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephantom Posted September 22, 2013 Share #494 Posted September 22, 2013 I was told by one of the 139 drivers that six Design Lines were removed from the garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted September 22, 2013 Share #495 Posted September 22, 2013 It was inevitable. Likely the rest will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share #496 Posted September 22, 2013 That can't be true, Howell will be even more short on buses than they already are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted September 22, 2013 Share #497 Posted September 22, 2013 That can't be true, Howell will be even more short on buses than they already are now. Well if there is all this lawsuit and bankruptcy stuff regarding the order, NJT has no choice but to pull them from the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted September 22, 2013 Share #498 Posted September 22, 2013 How many of these buses does NJT have? Did NJT pay for the buses they have yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdude2 Posted September 22, 2013 Share #499 Posted September 22, 2013 How many of these buses does NJT have? Did NJT pay for the buses they have yet They had about 14 or 15 delivered. No they did not pay for them yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted September 22, 2013 Share #500 Posted September 22, 2013 Why would Howell take them out of service like that though? I mean there's no indication that the new MCI have even arrived yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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