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I fear for the kids down south who will be indoctrinated with Creationism by the local authorities.

 

 

and your proof of that happening. we already know that the kids up north and the west coast are indoctrinated into socialism which is a fact from reading many posts here

 

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and your proof of that happening. we already know that the kids up north and the west coast are indoctrinated into socialism which is a fact from reading many posts here

 

joe

 

I don't know if you're referring to me or not, but considering that there are few other members from the west on these boards I'm just going to assume you are.

 

Anyway, I'd just like to tell you thatI formed all my stances and opinions with no influences from others. For the record, I reside in one of the most conservative areas in Southern California. In fact, very few (I'd say a little over 30%) people are politically liberal.

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and your proof of that happening. we already know that the kids up north and the west coast are indoctrinated into socialism which is a fact from reading many posts here

 

Proof isn't needed. There are so many ignorant politicians (note comments on rape and pregnancy, the origins of the universe, and global warming) produced by those states that if those politicians got to decide on education it's a near-guarantee that kids will be raised on the same garbage.

 

I don't know about socialism being promoted by educational systems up north. I don't think my educators ever hinted that I should be dependent on government to give me free things for life. Maybe you were referring to the poor folks who have learned to live on welfare and have raised dozens of kids on government checks to do the same? That's not the fault of the education system for sure; those are—in fact—the kids that turn away from education; they are the drop outs that never make it past high school!

 

(Claiming that schools in the northeast teach socialism doesn't really answer my claim that the schools down south will teach Creationism; it's on a totally different plane like comparing apples to beef.)

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there are kids living in the Rockaways, Staten Island, and other flood prone areas with no home left to go back to, so be glad that the worst thing that happened to you this storm is you have three extra days in school.

 

 

Just so you know, I live in Staten Island.

 

If you want the diploma then you've got to suck it up like other folks have and get it. Just because you feel you should be skipped ahead doesn't mean that you should. They're not going to change the standards just because you have a problem with them. What went on when your father went to school has nothing to do with you and your current situation. Times change and back then what he did was acceptable, but that's not the case today.

 

 

Oh really? So suddenly you're changing your argument because I'm the one being affected by it. As B35 would say, "you ain't slick".

 

It's still possible to do it, for your information. I've heard of people doing it in NJ, and I personally know somebody who graduated early (here in NYC). The only problem is that when I found out about it, it was too late for me (aside from that, her guidance counselors were different from mine) But hopefully, it's not too late for my brothers (knock wood).

 

The standards don't need to be changed. They just have to allow me to take advantage of them.

 

And that's exactly how they became that way in the first place, by sitting on their @sses and doing nothing. Yeah, let's keep encouraging that because you think it's useless. You've got it all figured out as usual.

 

 

Well, their presence in the gym isn't going to magically make them lose weight.

 

I'm sorry but you have a reading problem. What I said was that people are graduating college that can't even write properly.

 

 

You said "As for the whole college rant". My "college rant" was strictly related to colleges accepting AP/College Now classes. Now you're coming in talking about how people graduate without being able to write correctly, which is irrelevant to what I was saying.

 

Yeah, pardon me for not knowing that. I forgot about the AP classes I took in high school to know anything about this. How foolish of me.

 

 

I said AP/College Now classes in the first sentence. If I mentioned them with a backslash in the middle, that obviously means they're related. Why would I be talking about colleges not accepting AP credit if they weren't college-level classes?

 

I don't have to prove anything. If what you say is true, you would've been skipped already. End of the story. Clearly those who are educating you think otherwise, even though you're so certain that you know it all.

 

 

No, they're keeping me there to boost their stats and get extra funding. They're not doing it in my best interests. They do it in NJ, and they do it in NYC if you nag the crap out of them the way my friend did (which like I said, I found out too late). I should've pushed harder than I did, and that was my mistake, but don't sit there and fool yourself into believing everything they say.

 

"School doesn't teach you jack shit about life."

 

Your words in quotes, not mine. Because checkmate thinks such and such, that makes it so.

 

 

Yeah, I said it doesn't teach you jack shit about life. Not in the higher grades anyway. Extra years in school isn't going to teach you more about time management and all those other "skills", you kept ranting about.

 

In the past, I've mentioned that there are classes I wouldn't mind sitting through, if I wasn't familiar with the material.

 

The fact of the matter is you don't get to decide if you skip to the next grade or not, so either deal with the set up or don't go to class. Your arrogant behavior of sleeping in class while teachers are trying to teach you something shows that you think you're above everyone else as if you're too smart to be bothered in the first place. I love these kids... They think they've got life all figured out.

 

 

Well, most of the teachers don't give a f**k what I do in class, so spare me with this "arrogant" BS. They few that are a**holes about it, I stay alert, but otherwise, most don't care. Aside from that, there were very few times when I actually slept in class. It's very hard to actually fall asleep when you're sitting in a chair and have to lean on your arms when you put your head down.

 

You're sitting there going "Oh, don't go to class". Like I said, talking to a brick wall. While I would love to be able to do that, I'd have truancy all over my ass if I did that (on a regular basis anyway).

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I don't know if you're referring to me or not, but considering that there are few other members from the west on these boards I'm just going to assume you are.

 

Anyway, I'd just like to tell you thatI formed all my stances and opinions with no influences from others. For the record, I reside in one of the most conservative areas in Southern California. In fact, very few (I'd say a little over 30%) people are politically liberal.

 

 

i was referring to what is taught in schools, from your posts i have seen that even though that is what is taught, you think for yourself and were not turned into a rigid ideologue drone like most. i have relatives on the west coast (in Marin County and san diego)so i know how they think, my statement was not directed at you or anyone in particular, i apologise if you took it that way.

 

Proof isn't needed. There are so many ignorant politicians (note comments on rape and pregnancy, the origins of the universe, and global warming) produced by those states that if those politicians got to decide on education it's a near-guarantee that kids will be raised on the same garbage.

 

I don't know about socialism being promoted by educational systems up north. I don't think my educators ever hinted that I should be dependent on government to give me free things for life. Maybe you were referring to the poor folks who have learned to live on welfare and have raised dozens of kids on government checks to do the same? That's not the fault of the education system for sure; those are—in fact—the kids that turn away from education; they are the drop outs that never make it past high school!

 

(Claiming that schools in the northeast teach socialism doesn't really answer my claim that the schools down south will teach Creationism; it's on a totally different plane like comparing apples to beef.)

 

 

proof is needed for everything when you make a statement condemning any group of people. my statement has proof by the posts that are made by some here who spout the jealous, class warfare garbage of socialism and the willingness of some to give up freedom after freedom and to buy into unproven science that you always throw in. so unless you have proof than you have no valid argument

 

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i was referring to what is taught in schools, from your posts i have seen that even though that is what is taught, you think for yourself and were not turned into a rigid ideologue drone like most. i have relatives on the west coast (in Marin County and san diego)so i know how they think, my statement was not directed at you or anyone in particular, i apologise if you took it that way.

 

 

joe

 

Fair enough. No need to apoligize.

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proof is needed for everything when you make a statement condemning any group of people. my statement has proof by the posts that are made by some here who spout the jealous, class warfare garbage of socialism and the willingness of some to give up freedom after freedom and to buy into unproven science that you always throw in. so unless you have proof than you have no valid argument

 

joe

 

 

Are you, then, implying that Creationism is a proven science with viable evidence and with a lot of proof?

 

Sure, go ahead, and keep the support for Creationism and powerful state/local governments up.

 

Do you know who are the main ones supporting a greater local and state government? The same ones that think that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, and that evolution is a myth. They're also mostly Southern states, too (Kentucky with its Creationist Museum). Gee, who could have seen that coming?

 

It's no wonder that the United States lags so far behind in the sciences. Don't go blaming Commies, libs, and lazy welfare collectors when it's you who's the one supporting the teaching of pseudoscience.

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Are you, then, implying that Creationism is a proven science with viable evidence and with a lot of proof?

 

Sure, go ahead, and keep the support for Creationism and powerful state/local governments up.

 

Do you know who are the main ones supporting a greater local and state government? The same ones that think that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, and that evolution is a myth. They're also mostly Southern states, too (Kentucky with its Creationist Museum). Gee, who could have seen that coming?

 

It's no wonder that the United States lags so far behind in the sciences. Don't go blaming Commies, libs, and lazy welfare collectors when it's you who's the one supporting the teaching of pseudoscience.

 

 

if you can be so kind to point out where i support creationism. as usual you socialist trained drones make assumptions about people without proof of anything. thats the ideology that youve been indoctrinated, you think you are smarter than everybody else. so again your argument is an epic fail

 

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if you can be so kind to point out where i support creationism. as usual you socialist trained drones make assumptions about people without proof of anything. thats the ideology that youve been indoctrinated, you think you are smarter than everybody else. so again your argument is an epic fail

 

joe

 

 

Again? Can you show me where else in this thread I've argued?

 

As for Creationism, you certainly don't have a problem with people teaching it, as you're very willing to give local authorities more control, and you know damn well that those Southern states, that really hate the big bad central government, tend to have more people that take the Bible literally, and that these people want to remove real science and replace it with this crap.

 

And as for assumption, you've made the assumption that I am a socialist, or a drone to the Commies.

 

You know what I think? You're stuck in the Cold War. Honestly, you're Joseph McCarthy reborn. Accusing people of being socialists and communists without proof? Calling almost every kid in the forum a socialist drone because they've been taught in this day and age, or because ? You've even accused one of members here for being a socialist because that member supported Jill Stein. Sounds like McCarthy, alright.

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proof is needed for everything when you make a statement condemning any group of people. my statement has proof by the posts that are made by some here who spout the jealous, class warfare garbage of socialism and the willingness of some to give up freedom after freedom and to buy into unproven science that you always throw in. so unless you have proof than you have no valid argument

Well, here's my cue to bring out the guns. I thought they wouldn't be needed since it was so obvious, but here you go:

 

As you can see, politicians there have a long history of pushing that crap. They are still trying to do it today.

 

 

The fact that I can find all of this in a single post sentence…

as usual you socialist trained drones make assumptions
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Again? Can you show me where else in this thread I've argued?

 

As for Creationism, you certainly don't have a problem with people teaching it, as you're very willing to give local authorities more control, and you know damn well that those Southern states, that really hate the big bad central government, tend to have more people that take the Bible literally, and that these people want to remove real science and replace it with this crap.

 

And as for assumption, you've made the assumption that I am a socialist, or a drone to the Commies.

 

You know what I think? You're stuck in the Cold War. Honestly, you're Joseph McCarthy reborn. Accusing people of being socialists and communists without proof? Calling almost every kid in the forum a socialist drone because they've been taught in this day and age, or because ? You've even accused one of members here for being a socialist because that member supported Jill Stein. Sounds like McCarthy, alright.

 

 

when you and others talk like our first socialist president, woodrow wilson, preaching and supporting a big all powerful federal government taking away the rights guaranteed to the states in the 10th ammendment which is the law of the land, that sir is socialism which this country was not founded on. a big government that has every american in a $51,717 hole which is still growing and eventually destroy the economy and in time destroy the society.

 

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Well, here's my cue to bring out the guns. I thought they wouldn't be needed since it was so obvious, but here you go:

 

As you can see, politicians there have a long history of pushing that crap. They are still trying to do it today.

 

 

The fact that I can find all of this in a single post sentence……is…

 

 

i checked out every link, most of the bills were REJECTED, the ones that passed DO NOT stop the theory evolution from being taught, it also allows for the theory of creationism to be taught alongside and let the students decide for themselves. do you have a problem with people being taught both sides of a subject and let them decide for themselves? oh wait, youre a rigid idealouge who feels everyone should think like you because you have the false notion of being smarter than everyone

 

personally i believe in the theory of evolution that to me makes the most sense, but again its a theory because there is no 100 pct conclusive proof. most science is theory, there are some absolutes, but again all theories should be taught and let the individuals make their own decision. that is the beauty of individualism , not the indoctrinated drones that you want

 

joe

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I do think that kids need to make those days up, but to those who believe that our public school system is flawed, I definitely see where you're coming from. This kid puts in perfectly:

 

 

-Julian Adler, Bronx High School of Science Class of 2014

http://www.humansofn...red-toward-fact

 

Schools today should definitely be more focused on constructive and critical thinking. I simply don't think that kids can critically think today. Its quite amazing if you ask me. For ex:

 

Math class: The prefix "di-" means two and the prefix "mon-" means one

Chemistry class: What is a common name for the compound Dihydrogen Monoxide?

 

Well, they know what di is and they know what mon is but for some crazy reason, they can't put two and two together and come to the simple conclusion that Dihydrogen Monoxide = Water! The lack of critical thinking taught in our school system produce kids that can't do simple things like that. It has to be laid on a silver platter for them to be able to learn it. If you don't teach them something directly and they never get it. Its so bizarre!

 

The way our educational system defines "smart" is by being able to memorize a bunch of crap that teachers throw at you, and I simply don't think that is the way to do it. You can't measure how much you learn in a numerical value; you can learn a lot and still have very low grades. I admit not always having the best grades in school, but I learned more in high school than I did anywhere else. Unfortunately, too much of your future relies on some numbers don't say a thing about how much you've learned, the type of person you are, your leadership skills, all the intangibles. Grades just show me that you were able to memorize a lot of things the teacher told you. If you can't use all that information you learned, so what? Its too unfortunate in my opinion

 

Today's educational system is not about educating future leaders (where the ability to think would be needed), it's about educating future workers. The system sees someone who can memorize a lot as someone who is good at being told what to do and that's what is being valued unfortunately.
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i checked out every link, most of the bills were REJECTED, the ones that passed DO NOT stop the theory evolution from being taught, it also allows for the theory of creationism to be taught alongside and let the students decide for themselves. do you have a problem with people being taught both sides of a subject and let them decide for themselves? oh wait, youre a rigid idealouge who feels everyone should think like you because you have the false notion of being smarter than everyone

 

personally i believe in the theory of evolution that to me makes the most sense, but again its a theory because there is no 100 pct conclusive proof. most science is theory, there are some absolutes, but again all theories should be taught and let the individuals make their own decision. that is the beauty of individualism , not the indoctrinated drones that you want

 

joe

 

 

I have a problem in that people are rejecting scientific fact and are trying to teach their kids that evolution is the work of the devil (and therefore fake), the Bible is one hundred percent literal, and everyone else be damned. You might as allow the teaching of the Flat-Earth theory. You might as well allow the teaching of KKK policies as a viable theory. You might as well allow the teaching of Nazi racial policies as a viable alternative to our American toleration policies. After all, these are other sides to an arguement, right?

 

Then again, you're not the one that seems inclined to teach socialism as an economic alternative, and have people decide if it's okay or not, right? And of course, a big no-no to liberalism.

 

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Oh sure, we're "drones" because we are being "indoctrinated" by liberals. Oh, and of course, you and all the conservatives are individualistic, because they each believe in a different political ideology, and their individual ideologies are vastly different, unlike us drones. Oh, and of course, you always look at both sides of the arguement because, unlike us drones, you're individualistic.

 

That's some big Bullsh*t coming right out of your posts. You say you look at both sides, yet in the end, you always cling to the same beliefs (we're drones to liberalism, Obama is the evil Commie dictator bent on destroying America, Obama is un-American, Obama is a racist, Obama this, Obama that, etc.). If you actually looked at both sides, then you're opinions would be constantly changing, and you'd never stick to the same side. At least I don't lie and tell others that I always look at both sides of an arguement.

 

It's always the same sh*t over and over again, never wasting an opportunity to show your hate. I am getting sick and tired of your paranoia and your McCarthyism. I am getting sick and tired of your irrational hatred towards Obama. And I am getting sick and tired of your constant trolling.

 

Hence why I'll stop responding to your posts. It's a waste of time to talk to the wall that is you.

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that is the beauty of individualism , not the indoctrinated drones that you want

I love the great irony in your posts as you seem to not subscribe to your own beliefs (following the law, not being a drone or allowing the education system to produce drones, being flexible in terms of thinking, etc.).

 

i checked out every link, most of the bills were REJECTED, the ones that passed DO NOT stop the theory evolution from being taught, it also allows for the theory of creationism to be taught alongside and let the students decide for themselves.
Most were rejected and rightly so.

 

do you have a problem with people being taught both sides of a subject and let them decide for themselves? oh wait, youre a rigid idealouge who feels everyone should think like you because you have the false notion of being smarter than everyone

So? The problem is using public money to promote religion, which Creationism/Intelligent Design is. You seem to wield the law and order stick (I did not forget your "law of the land" comment), but forget that it's in the First Amendment where "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…."

 

personally i believe in the theory of evolution that to me makes the most sense, but again its a theory because there is no 100 pct conclusive proof. most science is theory, there are some absolutes, but again all theories should be taught and let the individuals make their own decision.

Creationism/Intelligent Design is not science and there is no choice between it and evolution just like there is no choice of x for 2 = 1 + x. You ignore the standards of science when you promote candidates like that as viable alternatives to evolution. If evolution is not an adequate theory, it shall still remain the only theory until a scientifically sound process is utilized to arrive at an alternative theory.

 

I have a problem in that people are rejecting scientific fact and are trying to teach their kids that evolution is the work of the devil (and therefore fake), the Bible is one hundred percent literal, and everyone else be damned. You might as allow the teaching of the Flat-Earth theory. You might as well allow the teaching of KKK policies as a viable theory. You might as well allow the teaching of Nazi racial policies as a viable alternative to our American toleration policies. After all, these are other sides to an arguement, right?

I think that hit the bull's eye (almost)—the point being that Creationism isn't even a proper scientific theory, but a thinly veiled attempt at teaching religious doctrines of Christianity alone in public schools while downplaying real science. That's a violation of separation between church and state right there which is clearly stated in the Constitution's First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…."

 

This was good.

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And Le Fantôme is the star of the show.

 

Anyway, I've made my replies to this:

I fear for the kids down south who will be indoctrinated with Creationism by the local authorities.

and your proof of that happening. we already know that the kids up north and the west coast are indoctrinated into socialism which is a fact from reading many posts here

 

We should return to the original topic.

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That's true. Looking at the bright side of things the students can still get out of school on time for this upcoming summer. The three days from winter break that the DOE decided to dock is going to hurt in terms of lost days off. Not just the students but the teachers and other DOE staff as well. Also the parents as alot of them may now have to scramble to make alternative arrangements if they have younger children.

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The kids better be grateful those days are being made up during the school year rather than extending it another week. A little off topic, me and mother are debating whether or not Mid Winter break should be gone or not

 

 

 

Like i said earlier in the thread, they should be grateful that the worst thing that happened to them as a result of hurricane sandy was they lost 3 days on their winter break. So many people lost much more. Its not like the days were taken away from them, they got em in November instead of February.

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