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Could there ever be a chance of it coming back as something else or how it used to be? Could it be Longer or Shorter? What Cars Will It Run? Can I Get Opinions.

 

 

 

Doubt it. It will cause too much chaos on Fulton Street and 63 street. The closest thing you can do is go into the cab of the OP and switch the signage and just make it say JFK Express if you can :lol::lol::lol:

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Could there ever be a chance of it coming back as something else or how it used to be? Could it be Longer or Shorter? What Cars Will It Run? Can I Get Opinions.

 

 

Until 1988, the A ran express in Brooklyn only during rush hours. At other times, the JFK Express was the only express.

 

Since then, regular A express service has been expanded to all times except nights, and the subway has gotten a lot safer and more reliable. Already by 1991, ridership had dropped to the point that running the JFK Express wasn't worthwhile anymore.

 

And AirTrain now also provides connections to the E/J/Z trains and to the LIRR.

 

With the current options, who would pay a premium fare to ride a superexpress train that would get stuck behind regular A expresses to Howard Beach? (There's a much better premium fare option today: the LIRR.)

 

Sorry, the JFK Express won't be coming back.

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Until 1988, the A ran express in Brooklyn only during rush hours. At other times, the JFK Express was the only express.

 

Since then, regular A express service has been expanded to all times except nights, and the subway has gotten a lot safer and more reliable. Already by 1991, ridership had dropped to the point that running the JFK Express wasn't worthwhile anymore.

 

And AirTrain now also provides connections to the E/J/Z trains and to the LIRR.

 

With the current options, who would pay a premium fare to ride a superexpress train that would get stuck behind regular A expresses to Howard Beach? (There's a much better premium fare option today: the LIRR.)

 

Sorry, the JFK Express won't be coming back.

 

 

In future, if the the old Rockaway Beach LIRR line was ever restored that could be the only option down the road for a direct Manhattan 1-seat train to JFK. Otherwise the JFK Express had faded into history.

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I agree. AirTrain JFK and LIRR combos are faster.

Green LIRR Ticket Vending Machine allows them to buy $5 MetroCard and LIRR Ticket at same time.

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AirTrain+LIRR combo ticket is the better option.

 

 

Problem is 1)Not everyone can afford the LIRR fares especially those who work at JFK 2)Not everyone in the 5 boiros lives near the LIRR

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Honestly, there's no need for the JFK Express to return. The problem with the JFK Express is that it didn't really go to JFK. Airtrain JFK is the real Train to The Plane. Also, if it did return, it would delay the (B),(D),(F),(M),(A),(C), and (E) trains. I think that a Super Express (A) train to Howard Beach is better.

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There is no room, it would delay service on other lines (including a super express (A)), there are better ways to get there, and there are no needs for it. You know what that means?

 

A SUPER EXPRESS (A) OR (JFK) ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!

 

Now if you are talking about a connection to LaGuardia Airport that is much more needed and should be studied, but JFK doesn't need any more service than it does now so....

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Problem is 1)Not everyone can afford the LIRR fares especially those who work at JFK 2)Not everyone in the 5 boiros lives near the LIRR

 

 

1) Tourists have the money in 99% of the cases, so no problem there. Also, I don't see people who work there taking AirTrain. They probably don't even have a problem with the (A) like people on this forum have (the people on this forum that want a JFK Express).

2) Tourists don't live there. Also, we weren't talking about 5 boroughs? We were talking AirTrain+LIRR COMBO TICKET which can be used to get into MANHATTAN.

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1) Tourists have the money in 99% of the cases, so no problem there. Also, I don't see people who work there taking AirTrain. They probably don't even have a problem with the (A) like people on this forum have (the people on this forum that want a JFK Express).

2) Tourists don't live there. Also, we weren't talking about 5 boroughs? We were talking AirTrain+LIRR COMBO TICKET which can be used to get into MANHATTAN.

 

 

If you talk out of town tourists that 1 thing i.e LIRR/Airtrain connection. I was talking point of view of a new yorker say living on east side of Manhattan or Bronx not having an easy trip to JFK via current mass transit options.

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Honestly I dont think that (JFK) is gonna come back because there is enough trafiic on 6th Avenue with the (B)(D)(F)(M) especially since the (B)(D) are the express trains so that means those services would have to be cut back and the (A) already heads to JFK on an express route even though its not the same express route as the (JFK) , it still is a fast way considering that it would bring in too much traffic under Fulton Street for no apparent reason, plus you have an AIRTRAIN, so technically, in my book, I shouldnt have to transfer to an AIRTAIN if there is an express, speaking of AIRTRAINs it already connects the (A)(E)(J) and (Z) to JFK so it isnt a necessary thing to bring considering that it was eliminated because it became unpopular so why spend the money on bringing something back if more than likely it will go back out of service again from unpopularity, we really dont need to waste the money again.

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Honestly, there's no need for the JFK Express to return. The problem with the JFK Express is that it didn't really go to JFK. Airtrain JFK is the real Train to The Plane. Also, if it did return, it would delay the (B), (D), (F), (M), (A), (C), and (E) trains. I think that a Super Express (A) train to Howard Beach is better.

 

 

I agree with that statement when you say the AIRTRAIN is the real train to the plane, but I really wouldnt think that the (E) would be affected since it is local on the 8th Avenue line and the (JFK) was express so it really wouldnt be express and a super express (A) would be just like the (JFK) so it would cause too much congestion along Fulton Street and it would soon go out off service too, we're fine with the JFK setup as it is now.

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The original (JFK) was a stupid idea. None of the track connections were designed to facilitate that kind of service and not to mention a lack of infrastructure (like tunnels and platforms).

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The original (JFK) was a stupid idea. None of the track connections were designed to facilitate that kind of service and not to mention a lack of infrastructure (like tunnels and platforms).

 

 

That why back in day (early 1970's) the Archer connection down to JFK should be tried to complete at almost all costs. Thus by now, the (E) could have ran direct to JFK air terminals. NYC is one of the few major cities in US and worldwide that still does not have a 1-seat train/light rail line to Downtown or the Central Business District.

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...why? We have the AirTrain now, one of the reasons (JFK) went bye-bye was because the TA planned to build a replacement that would run from Jamaica (where the (E) and LIRR could connect people), right into the JFK terminal (something the Train to The Plane didn't do - you had to transfer to a shuttle bus after getting off, for some couple hundred feet).

 

Instead of foaming about something that is now completely in the past, by what we have today, let's worry about the real situation at hand - LaGuardia's highway connections are absolutely awful during peak times. A connection from the City, Astoria, or Queens Blvd would be beneficial for LaGuardia, and in a sense, is something we really could use at this time.

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There should be one or two connection from each of the boroughs to the airports with the endpoints situated at major transportation hubs:

  • Bronx… LaGuardia Airport from 149 Street–Grand Concourse
  • Manhattan… LaGuardia Airport and/or John F. Kennedy Airport from Grand Central or Pennsylvania Station via the LIRR/Amtrak connections from Manhattan to Broadway and Northern Boulevard before following the Brooklyn–Queens Expressway East and the Grand Central Parkway
  • Queens… LaGuardia Airport and/or John F. Kennedy Airport from Jamaica via the Grand Central Parkway or Van Wyck Expressway (the latter being already implemented)
  • Brooklyn… John. F Kennedy Airport from Atlantic Terminal
  • Staten Island… John F. Kennedy Airport from Saint George Terminal via Brooklyn's connection

 

Some of these boroughs could have interesting plans—particularly Bronx, Brooklyn, and Staten Island.

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There should be one or two connection from each of the boroughs to the airports with the endpoints situated at major transportation hubs:

  • Bronx… LaGuardia Airport from 149 Street–Grand Concourse

  • Manhattan… LaGuardia Airport and/or John F. Kennedy Airport from Grand Central or Pennsylvania Station via the LIRR/Amtrak connections from Manhattan to Broadway and Northern Boulevard before following the Brooklyn–Queens Expressway East and the Grand Central Parkway

  • Queens… LaGuardia Airport and/or John F. Kennedy Airport from Jamaica via the Grand Central Parkway or Van Wyck Expressway (the latter being already implemented)

  • Brooklyn… John. F Kennedy Airport from Atlantic Terminal

  • Staten Island… John F. Kennedy Airport from Saint George Terminal via Brooklyn's connection

 

Some of these boroughs could have interesting plans—particularly Bronx, Brooklyn, and Staten Island.

 

 

 

Yeah, that's not happening...

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There was a thread by East New York months back that there were some plans that could make a faster commuting for anyone heading to the proposed new convention center at a few miles south of Aqueduct Racetrack. Preliminary details also called for a new (A) service "The (A) Super Express Train" which could also do the same things as that JFK Express did. As said by many, the priority should be given to all riders along the Rockaway, Liberty Avenue, and Fulton Street IND lines. So until the convention is built, there's no need fight about this. All I say is add some more (A)'s to the Rockaway branch, send any exiting Queens bus routes to serve Aqueduct, or built the southbound platform at Aqueduct Racetrack station.

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Anything more than a "nay"?

 

 

If you have the money, then nothing's stopping you...

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If you have the money, then nothing's stopping you...

 

Money is always going to be the obvious issue to implementation. We're in the middle of a discussion.

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There should be one or two connection from each of the boroughs to the airports with the endpoints situated at major transportation hubs:

  • Bronx… LaGuardia Airport from 149 Street–Grand Concourse

  • Manhattan… LaGuardia Airport and/or John F. Kennedy Airport from Grand Central or Pennsylvania Station via the LIRR/Amtrak connections from Manhattan to Broadway and Northern Boulevard before following the Brooklyn–Queens Expressway East and the Grand Central Parkway

  • Queens… LaGuardia Airport and/or John F. Kennedy Airport from Jamaica via the Grand Central Parkway or Van Wyck Expressway (the latter being already implemented)

  • Brooklyn… John. F Kennedy Airport from Atlantic Terminal

  • Staten Island… John F. Kennedy Airport from Saint George Terminal via Brooklyn's connection

 

Some of these boroughs could have interesting plans—particularly Bronx, Brooklyn, and Staten Island.

 

I have always thought the Grand Central Parkway was a good area to build the Airtrain. At least from Astoria Blvd to LGA. If possible, they could try to extend it over the Triboro to Manhattan up to the 125th Park Av station for transfer to the MNCR.

I guess you could connect another line from LGA to Jamaica to connect to the JFK line.

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In future, if the the old Rockaway Beach LIRR line was ever restored that could be the only option down the road for a direct Manhattan 1-seat train to JFK. Otherwise the JFK Express had faded into history.

 

 

That would only provide a second routing to Howard Beach. But AirTrain already connects with almost all LIRR branches at Jamaica, so I don't see much of a point.

 

Problem is 1)Not everyone can afford the LIRR fares especially those who work at JFK 2)Not everyone in the 5 boiros lives near the LIRR

 

 

So use the A or E or J/Z to connect to AirTrain. The JFK Express was a premium fare superexpress service direct from Manhattan to Howard Beach, with only one stop in Brooklyn.

 

...why? We have the AirTrain now, one of the reasons (JFK) went bye-bye was because the TA planned to build a replacement that would run from Jamaica (where the (E) and LIRR could connect people), right into the JFK terminal (something the Train to The Plane didn't do - you had to transfer to a shuttle bus after getting off, for some couple hundred feet).

 

 

The TA had plans in 1991 to build a train line from Jamaica to JFK? News to me.

 

There should be one or two connection from each of the boroughs to the airports with the endpoints situated at major transportation hubs:

  • Bronx… LaGuardia Airport from 149 Street–Grand Concourse

  • Manhattan… LaGuardia Airport and/or John F. Kennedy Airport from Grand Central or Pennsylvania Station via the LIRR/Amtrak connections from Manhattan to Broadway and Northern Boulevard before following the Brooklyn–Queens Expressway East and the Grand Central Parkway

  • Queens… LaGuardia Airport and/or John F. Kennedy Airport from Jamaica via the Grand Central Parkway or Van Wyck Expressway (the latter being already implemented)

  • Brooklyn… John. F Kennedy Airport from Atlantic Terminal

  • Staten Island… John F. Kennedy Airport from Saint George Terminal via Brooklyn's connection

 

Some of these boroughs could have interesting plans—particularly Bronx, Brooklyn, and Staten Island.

 

 

Nice idea, but bear in mind that airports, while important (and certainly high-profile) destinations, don't actually attract particularly large ridership when compared to other destinations served by transit. Any dollar spent on a connection to an airport is a dollar not spent on a connection to something else, perhaps something more useful. In other words, don't go overboard on airport connections.

 

There was a thread by East New York months back that there were some plans that could make a faster commuting for anyone heading to the proposed new convention center at a few miles south of Aqueduct Racetrack. Preliminary details also called for a new (A) service "The (A) Super Express Train" which could also do the same things as that JFK Express did. As said by many, the priority should be given to all riders along the Rockaway, Liberty Avenue, and Fulton Street IND lines. So until the convention is built, there's no need fight about this. All I say is add some more (A)'s to the Rockaway branch, send any exiting Queens bus routes to serve Aqueduct, or built the southbound platform at Aqueduct Racetrack station.

 

 

The proposed convention center in Ozone Park made no sense, and it fortunately died in June. But even if it were built, the A train as it exists today would easily be able to handle the loads, and the time saved by a super-express would have been small at best and even smaller if it caught up with the A train ahead of it.

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