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Why aren't there other IRT lines in Queens?

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With the exception of the (7), I think there should be another IRT line that serves Queens. It could be like: Bronx-Queens, Bronx-Manhattan-Queens, Manhattan-Queens(different terminals from the (7)) or maybe even Bronx-Manhattan-Brooklyn-Queens(via IRT New Lots line, touching the tip of Ozone Park).

 

What do you guys think?. Just a simple statement agreeing or disagreeing. Save the bashing for your therapist <_<

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Yeah...... (And don't quote me on this) I think the (7) and <7> are good enough alone. ^_^

#Nobashingintended....

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With the exception of the (7), I think there should be another IRT line that serves Queens. It could be like: Bronx-Queens, Bronx-Manhattan-Queens, Manhattan-Queens(different terminals from the (7)) or maybe even Bronx-Manhattan-Brooklyn-Queens(via IRT New Lots line, touching the tip of Ozone Park).

 

What do you guys think?. Just a simple statement agreeing or disagreeing. Save the bashing for your therapist <_<

 

 

There actually was supposed to be more IRT service in Queens, the 7 was supposed to terminate at two locations: Bell Blvd. in bayside and College point. Funding for the project never went through.

 

To answer your question no I don't think there should be more IRT service in Queens. The subway cars on the IRT cannot hold as many passengers as cars on the IND and BMT lines. That is why you will never see any new subway line built to IRT specs. Period.

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With the exception of the (7), I think there should be another IRT line that serves Queens. It could be like: Bronx-Queens, Bronx-Manhattan-Queens, Manhattan-Queens(different terminals from the (7)) or maybe even Bronx-Manhattan-Brooklyn-Queens(via IRT New Lots line, touching the tip of Ozone Park).

 

What do you guys think?. Just a simple statement agreeing or disagreeing. Save the bashing for your therapist <_<

 

 

The IRT was more focused on Manhattan and The Bronx. Just like the BMT was more focused on Brooklyn and Queens.

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The only reason the flushing line exists is Belmont bough the francise to finish the Stienway tubes. he was going to keep the trolleys, but the city wouldn't let him.

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The only reason the flushing line exists is Belmont bough the francise to finish the Stienway tubes. he was going to keep the trolleys, but the city wouldn't let him.

 

And because you would otherwise have an unused tube, just lying around, that didn't quite fit BMT cars, the IRT was the obvious choice.

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Also, hindsight being 20/20, the tunnel should have been widened to fit BMT cars and some of the overcrowding seen on the line would have never occured (at capacity instead of over capacity at rush hour)

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Why the heck do we need a new IRT line in Queens? Focus on expanding current service, not building new trunks everywhere....

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The IRT looked at picking up the part of what became the Crosstown line (Lafayette), and that could have extended to Queens. Also, if they ever had decided to extend Livonia, though I've never heard of anything like that.

Otherwise, southern Queens was basically an extension of Brooklyn, so would be covered by the Brooklyn system (BRT), and northern Queens is closer to Manhattan and the Bronx, so it was easier to extend the Manhattan/Bronx system there. It should be pointed out that Astoria was originally "another" IRT line in Queens (original #8) as well, but of course, that was picked up by the BMT. At first, it was all IRT subway and el, then the joint service with the BMT shuttles were added, then then it was given over completely to the BMT, because it was easier to operate that way.

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Why the heck do we need a new IRT line in Queens? Focus on expanding current service, not building new trunks everywhere....

 

 

The topic title wasn't really intended on proposing a new IRT line at all. It looks as if he were asking why the IRT, besides the (7), expand to the Queens borough.

 

Though inside the post, it looked like he was pushing for that type of discussion.

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Also, hindsight being 20/20, the tunnel should have been widened to fit BMT cars and some of the overcrowding seen on the line would have never occured (at capacity instead of over capacity at rush hour)

 

Yeah even now, aren't there restrictions on how fast to run the train thru that tunnel? How much longer are they going to keep restricting trains to accommodate the tunnel? If they have new tubes there, they could have a B division line running and 10 60' car trains instead of 11 51' car trains. (Though I keep forgetting if the Manhattan segment can handle B div trains as well as the extension to the Javits center.) Edited by Grand Concourse

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Why the heck do we need a new IRT line in Queens? Focus on expanding current service, not building new trunks everywhere....

 

 

Well if massive funding ever does become available it would be wise to invest it in some entirely new subway lines. Maybe use the original IND second system plans as a base, and see what would be cost effective.

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The lack of IRT lines in the Queens is maybe due to the population of this borough in the past, it was far less populated back then.

Most of the IRT development have been before the 1930's. In 1930 the Queens had only 1 million while Brooklyn was 2.5 million and the Bronx 1.3 million but in a smaller area.

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No, it's infact the other way around. there are pictures of the Flushing line runing through basicly nothing. Roosevelt ave only exists for the El to follow it.

 

http://gis.nyc.gov/doitt/nycitymap/

 

this is an offical city map program that incudles ariel shots from 1924, you can see the flushing line open as far as Corona, and there being large, empty spaces around it.

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