MTA Considers Partition on Subway Platforms

[Cait Sith]

The MTA is considering a new safety measure on subway platforms.

 

According to the Daily News the MTA will reconsider installing sliding doors on subway platforms to prevent riders from falling on the tracks. On Thursday, a woman allegedly pushed an unsuspecting man to his death in front of an oncoming No. 7 train at a Queens subway station.

 

Naeem Davis, a 30-year-old deli worker, was recently arrested and charged with second-degree murder for allegedly pushing Ki-Suk Han, 58, off a midtown subway platform to his death on Dec. 3. Han was struck by a southbound Q train at the 49th Street station in Manhattan.

 

Fifty-four people died on subway tracks in 2012, the MTA says. The agency had considered installing the protective barriers in the past, but the idea never came to fruition.

 

Cities like London and Paris already have doors along subway platforms that are designed to protect passengers.

 

 

Source -- http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/MTA-Considers-Partition-on-Subway-Platforms-185153541.html

[BreeddekalbL]

i hate to sound pessimistic but in the years my dad and i been around ny and the TA this could just be another round of smoke blowing

[overclocked]

It's been talked to death several times, but lets go again.

One and the biggest question, despite technicalities, who will pay for it?

[User]

You have a subway system with millions of daily riders and people constantly moving in and out of trains. There is no way in hell that sliding doors can provide for this kind of constant activity and support the amount of traffic that some of the subway lines get.

[Quill Depot]

This will slow down travel, not worth it.

[Cait Sith]

This will slow down travel, not worth it.

 

 

If you mean construction, sure.

 

Otherwise, how???

[Quill Depot]

If you mean construction, sure.

 

Otherwise, how???

 

 

In general... you would have to open both doors, the ones on the platform and the one on the train. Any mistake would significantly increase idling and delay trains behind.

[DanTheTransitMan]

i hate to sound pessimistic but in the years my dad and i been around ny and the TA this could just be another round of smoke blowing

 

 

It's similar to the gun regulation debate, the issue keeps arising whenever something happens, the people in power say they're gonna do something, and then nothing actually happens. Personally I think the TA can't afford this project because they are over budget on so many other projects.

[Grand Concourse]

They'd be better off stationing a cop at every station (or at least all the heavily used stations). Plus at least it'd be a side benefit in catching a criminal sooner or act as a minor deterrent.

[Quill Depot]

They'd be better off stationing a cop at every station (or at least all the heavily used stations). Plus at least it'd be a side benefit in catching a criminal sooner or act as a minor deterrent.

 

 

Agreed. This should only happen at the crowded ones (more likely for people to be pushed on tracks).

[Cait Sith]

In general... you would have to open both doors, the ones on the platform and the one on the train. Any mistake would significantly increase idling and delay trains behind.

 

 

Ummm....they'd likely open just like the doors on the Air Train...(if it ever happens)

[Quill Depot]

Ummm....they'd likely open just like the doors on the Air Train...(if it ever happens)

 

 

The Air Train does not have as many passengers so it is much easier on it. I see what you mean tho.

[Cait Sith]

The Air Train does not have as many passengers so it is much easier on it. I see what you mean tho.

 

 

That doesn't mean a damn thing....

 

They'd be better off stationing a cop at every station (or at least all the heavily used stations). Plus at least it'd be a side benefit in catching a criminal sooner or act as a minor deterrent.

 

 

Even if a cop would be stationed at a station or two, shit would still happen regardless. It wouldn't deter the crazies from doing things.

[Quill Depot]

Even if a cop would be stationed at a station or two, shit would still happen regardless. It wouldn't deter the crazies from doing things.

 

 

A cop is always a sign of justice. A cop would watch a crazy.

[Grand Concourse]

Even if a cop would be stationed at a station or two, shit would still happen regardless. It wouldn't deter the crazies from doing things.

 

True, but either way it'd be 'cheaper' than building platform doors for all the stations. And would at least get a cop at the scene more quickly if there's some thug trying to steal an iphone or such. They really should have the cops more spread out rather than concentrated at select locations.

[Snowblock]

Yeah, the customers are calling for these safety upgrades, but they'll be singing a completely different song once a. the fare goes up again to pay for them and b. "due to a platform mechanical malfunction, uptown and trains are bypassing Grand Central at this time"

[tvega961]

IMO it's not worth it. With society today these idiots would break the damn sliding doors and/or graffiti them. Just imagine some idiot getting stuck on both the sliding door and the train doors.

[TwoTimer]

This will die down again, I suggest we die down on this topic as well.

[Minato ku]

You have a subway system with millions of daily riders and people constantly moving in and out of trains. There is no way in hell that sliding doors can provide for this kind of constant activity and support the amount of traffic that some of the subway lines get.

 

Well, I am not saying that New York subway should install platform doors but I disagree with this argument.

There many subway system with millions of daily riders and people constantly moving in and out of trains that have platform doors.

In many of those networks, platform doors were added several decades after the construction of the stations.

Paris metro built platform door in 110 years old stations and Paris metro ridership is quite similar to New York subway. (NYC: 1;6 billion, Paris: 1.5 billion)

 

The cheaper and lighter half height platform doors are more suited for old platforms that usually can not support the weight of of full height platform doors.

Usually half height platform doors used moslty in Asia are quite small (3ft3) but in Paris ours are over 5ft6 tall.

At this height, it is difficult or even impossible to push someone in the tracks, difficult to jump for suicide and impossible to fall accidently

These doors work independently, so you can install them in several step.

 

On the other hand, I find the arguments used in NYC in favor of the platform doors are also quite wrong.

In Paris, by exemple we didn't install doors to prevent suicides or murders but to have a safer and better operation in busy stations and to improve the service for driverless operation and for driver operation (with CTBC).

 

By example when a train driver arrives in a station with overcrowded platform, he tends to operate the train at slower speed for more safety. He acts with caution.

Unfortunately, a slower speed at the arrival means a longer time in station and a longer time in station means more delay, more delays means less trains per hour in station, less train per hour means less capacity for line and more crowding. This is a bad spiral. Services is bad and you are carrying less passengers.

When you have 38 train per hours on the line, every second count.

 

So, MTA should not built platform doors only to prevent murders or suicides but for improving the service.

If it is not the case, it is better to not built those doors and spend money on other things.

[BreeddekalbL]

 

On the other hand, I find the arguments used in NYC in favor of the platform doors are also quite wrong.

In Paris, by exemple we didn't install doors to prevent suicides or murders but to have a safer and better operation in busy stations and to improve the service for driverless operation and for driver operation (with CTBC).

 

 

 

do you mean cbtc? communications based train control?

[Minato ku]

Yes but I often struggle with these abbreviations.

[rr4567]

Yeah, they can do this because money grows on trees.

 

A cop is always a sign of justice. A cop would watch a crazy.

 

 

 

Like some cops aren't crazies themselves.

[jgood6195]

^ Damn straight.

[Interested Rider]

Here we go again as the issue of the day is "partition on subway platforms".

 

Out come the cameras and the microphones and of course "watch for running politicians" with their prepared press releases being distributed to the media and saying "we need partitions on the subways" and we must have it now! We all should be trembling and worried stiff that we maybe the next victim of something like this on the subway when in reality the only ones that are trembling are the political appointees who have to find the money to fund a study at the expense of providing a decent level of service for the riding public. Once the money is found and the report is issued, it will become a dust collector in some office to be bought out to show the politician that look what we did for you and forgotten about after he leaves the office.

[qjtransitmaster]

In general... you would have to open both doors, the ones on the platform and the one on the train. Any mistake would significantly increase idling and delay trains behind.

japan has barriers preventing ppl from falling into train tracks and they have higher ridership numbers on their subway systems try again.