Kendell Posted January 18, 2013 Share #1 Posted January 18, 2013 Question in the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted January 18, 2013 Share #2 Posted January 18, 2013 You double posted this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendell Posted January 18, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted January 18, 2013 My bad. I'll delete the other one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted January 18, 2013 Share #4 Posted January 18, 2013 there is no direct correct answer to your question, as the South Brooklyn Railway IS, not was, a freight railroad that is a wholey owned subsidiary of NYCTA. It connects the subway at 40th street and 4th ave in Brooklyn to New York-New Jersey Rail (FKA New York Cross Harbor) at First avenue. Orginaly, the line contitued west through the lower level of 9th ave station, and branched off and ran along the orginal Culver Line route on street level to Coney Island Yard. this section was closed in the 1970s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted January 18, 2013 Share #5 Posted January 18, 2013 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Brooklyn_Railway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted January 18, 2013 Share #6 Posted January 18, 2013 There are two work locomotives painted in South Brooklyn Railway scheme (red and white) and are numbered N1 and N2, they can be found in work service anywhere on the Subway however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted January 18, 2013 Share #7 Posted January 18, 2013 In plain easy terms its owned by MTA connects the subway system to the North American rail network to allow subway cars and other things to be delivered by rail to the MTA/NYCTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted January 19, 2013 Share #8 Posted January 19, 2013 In plain easy terms its owned by MTA connects the subway system to the North American rail network to allow subway cars and other things to be delivered by rail to the MTA/NYCTA Now, in theory, wouldn't this connection to the national Rail network subject NYCT to FRA regulations? I was under the impression that the lack of FRA oversight came from the fact that the tracks don't cross state lines, and don't directly connect to the national network. Is it the fact that a carfloat is required that exempts it? (I.E. there isn't an actual rail connection without the use of a boat) I've read the SBRR connects to the LIRR bay ridge branch - which in turn connects to the fremont secondary, over the hell gate bridge and to the rest of the country... isn't that a direct track connection? (if I've read correctly, and what I read has been correct) Is there a special waiver or exclusion in effect that exempts it? Anyway, curious about this. If anyone knows I'd be really glad to hear what's up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted January 19, 2013 Share #9 Posted January 19, 2013 theres a connection near the line and the yard lead to Linden Shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 19, 2013 Share #10 Posted January 19, 2013 The subway has always connected to the national railroad network. For many years there were three locations- one from the old NYWB in the Bronx, one at Linden Yard in Brooklyn, and one at SBK. The first was severed years ago, and I believe at least part of the second was removed, but the third remains, although with recent construction, it may not have been continually intact. Your supposition is a commonly held yet incorrect statement. (So you could have easily heard that from many people.) Crossing state lines does not result in FRA regulation either. PATCO is not FRA compliant IINM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 19, 2013 Share #11 Posted January 19, 2013 The one in Linden shops still remains...now the one that was directly connected to the was severed back then they started the CBTC conversion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaw3c1 Posted January 19, 2013 Share #12 Posted January 19, 2013 You see it as you come out of the tunnel on the D Train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted January 19, 2013 Share #13 Posted January 19, 2013 Is it the fact that a carfloat is required that exempts it? (I.E. there isn't an actual rail connection without the use of a boat) I've read the SBRR connects to the LIRR bay ridge branch - which in turn connects to the fremont secondary, over the hell gate bridge and to the rest of the country... isn't that a direct track connection? (if I've read correctly, and what I read has been correct) Correct me if I'm wrong… All these connections have in common is that trains can't use them without reversing directions once or twice or they do not have a physical connection (such as the boat thing). The keyword is "direct" which suggests a train can access it with just the throw of a switch. It's much more difficult to cross a subway train into rail territory (and the other way around) when the operation has enough procedures to make accidents unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted January 19, 2013 Share #14 Posted January 19, 2013 as the South Brooklyn Railway IS, not was, a freight railroad that is a wholey owned subsidiary of NYCTA. It connects the subway at 40th street and 4th ave in Brooklyn to New York-New Jersey Rail (FKA New York Cross Harbor) at First avenue. Orginaly, the line contitued west through the lower level of 9th ave station, and branched off and ran along the orginal Culver Line route on street level to Coney Island Yard. this section was closed in the 1970s As a 5 year old I can barely remember when they still had the street level tracks along that original Culver line along McDonald Ave when the abandoned elevated spur from 9th ave still existed before it was demolished. The street level tracks along the docks past 3rd Ave by the industrial complexes still exist I've noticed where the roads were never paved over. (Correct me if I'm wrong, It's been a while since I've been in that part of Brooklyn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 19, 2013 Share #15 Posted January 19, 2013 Yeah its still there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted January 19, 2013 Share #16 Posted January 19, 2013 As a 5 year old I can barely remember when they still had the street level tracks along that original Culver line along McDonald Ave when the abandoned elevated spur from 9th ave still existed before it was demolished. The street level tracks along the docks past 3rd Ave by the industrial complexes still exist I've noticed where the roads were never paved over. (Correct me if I'm wrong, It's been a while since I've been in that part of Brooklyn) apparently some of those tracks were rebuilt in the 38-39 St area where it crosses 2 Ave to head over to the yard by the car floats. At the right time of day you can catch some freight action there. I just don't know when. I've also heard that some of the employees for that railroad, Not SBK but I think its NYNJ Rail tend to yell at photographers photographing near their yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted January 19, 2013 Share #17 Posted January 19, 2013 I read in an article in nycsubway.org which states that's how they got the then newly built R44 cars (Or was it the R46's too? Going by memory here) into the subway system, via that portion of the South Brooklyn Railway into the West End Line I'm assuming, or something like that. Also the R44s after the general overhaul back in the 90's. OK now I actually googled it and found this interesting link on the South Brooklyn Railway. Here you go guys: http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/sbr.html#History Private Ownership The South Brooklyn Railway or "SBK" (as it is known within New York area railfanning groups) as organized, was unique in the fact that it at one time; handled both freight and passenger service. This webpage will focus itself upon the freight aspects of their operations, with intermittent mention of passenger operations where relevant. In these earliest days, the railroad was known as the South Brooklyn Railroad & Terminal Company. It was not an operating railroad in that it owned no locomotives or rolling stock, but had been merely organized as a property holder no longer than a few city blocks, which was organized with the intent to be leased to another operating railroad that wished to the connect to the Ferry Terminal at the foot of 39th Street. Unfortunately this did not take place and the tracks remained unused. That's just the beginning of quite a lengthy article on it's history. And map: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted January 19, 2013 Share #18 Posted January 19, 2013 Now, in theory, wouldn't this connection to the national Rail network subject NYCT to FRA regulations? I was under the impression that the lack of FRA oversight came from the fact that the tracks don't cross state lines, and don't directly connect to the national network. Is it the fact that a carfloat is required that exempts it? (I.E. there isn't an actual rail connection without the use of a boat) I've read the SBRR connects to the LIRR bay ridge branch - which in turn connects to the fremont secondary, over the hell gate bridge and to the rest of the country... isn't that a direct track connection? (if I've read correctly, and what I read has been correct) Is there a special waiver or exclusion in effect that exempts it? Anyway, curious about this. If anyone knows I'd be really glad to hear what's up. The subway's track connections are for the purpose of delivering new equipment and supplies. they are not part of an active, revenue generating service over which trains can travel. the MTA is little more than a customer reciving a delivery, no diffrent than spotting box cars next to a warehouse. Conversly, the reason why SIRT and PATH are always discussed when FRA requirments are mentioned is that thier services shared tracks with freight trains and other mainline passenger trains respectivly in the past, after the government declared a legal seperation of railroad and rapid transit lines in 1917. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted January 19, 2013 Share #19 Posted January 19, 2013 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Kamen Rider" data-cid="634546" data-time="1358625012"><p> The subway's track connections are for the purpose of delivering new equipment and supplies. they are not part of an active, revenue generating service over which trains can travel. the MTA is little more than a customer reciving a delivery, no diffrent than spotting box cars next to a warehouse.<br /> <br /> Conversly, the reason why SIRT and PATH are always discussed when FRA requirments are mentioned is that thier services shared tracks with freight trains and other mainline passenger trains respectivly in the past, after the government declared a legal seperation of railroad and rapid transit lines in 1917.</p></blockquote> Ahh, that makes sense. It's not a matter of track connections, it's a matter of shared trackage. (Hence, the triboro RX would likely run into problems as proposed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 20, 2013 Share #20 Posted January 20, 2013 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Kamen Rider" data-cid="634546" data-time="1358625012"><p>The subway's track connections are for the purpose of delivering new equipment and supplies. they are not part of an active, revenue generating service over which trains can travel. the MTA is little more than a customer reciving a delivery, no diffrent than spotting box cars next to a warehouse.<br /> <br /> Conversly, the reason why SIRT and PATH are always discussed when FRA requirments are mentioned is that thier services shared tracks with freight trains and other mainline passenger trains respectivly in the past, after the government declared a legal seperation of railroad and rapid transit lines in 1917.</p></blockquote> Ahh, that makes sense. It's not a matter of track connections, it's a matter of shared trackage. (Hence, the triboro RX would likely run into problems as proposed) err there are ways to bypass that you know they are FRA compliant trains that can be used. hint one of the lines connected can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8thAveExpress Posted January 20, 2013 Share #21 Posted January 20, 2013 As a 5 year old I can barely remember when they still had the street level tracks along that original Culver line along McDonald Ave when the abandoned elevated spur from 9th ave still existed before it was demolished. The street level tracks along the docks past 3rd Ave by the industrial complexes still exist I've noticed where the roads were never paved over. (Correct me if I'm wrong, It's been a while since I've been in that part of Brooklyn) Some of those rails are still used. Sometimes I'm by the Brooklyn Army Terminal, and a few times a day there's a locomotive on those tracks going in and out of the terminal with freight cars. Pretty awesome to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traildriver Posted January 22, 2013 Share #22 Posted January 22, 2013 Was there ever an interchange track between the LIRR Port Washington branch and the subway near the Willets Point station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 22, 2013 Share #23 Posted January 22, 2013 Some of those rails are still used. Sometimes I'm by the Brooklyn Army Terminal, and a few times a day there's a locomotive on those tracks going in and out of the terminal with freight cars. Pretty awesome to seeare they random or is there a typical time and day they run? Yah I'd love to see that in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted January 22, 2013 Share #24 Posted January 22, 2013 Was there ever an interchange track between the LIRR Port Washington branch and the subway near the Willets Point station? I wondered that too. Especially in A Div school car, when I was at the Corona yard. They are right next to each other. If so, it probably would have been a long time ago, back before FRA rules became really strict. (Like when BRT and LIRR would interface). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8thAveExpress Posted January 23, 2013 Share #25 Posted January 23, 2013 are they random or is there a typical time and day they run? Yah I'd love to see that in person. It's random. I work in the court system, and they're sending me to the Army Terminal in 2 weeks for a few days. I'll try to get a video of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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