Threxx Posted February 22, 2013 Share #26 Posted February 22, 2013 So why should the Eastchester line have less stops than the White Plains line? It was planned to have to have more stations in the first place The stations are the stations from the New York, Westchester and Boston railway. Nothing changed. There were no plans to have more stations on that stretch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York,_Westchester_and_Boston_Railway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted February 22, 2013 Share #27 Posted February 22, 2013 I've read that the City wanted to acquire the line above Dyre Avenue, but failed to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted February 22, 2013 Share #28 Posted February 22, 2013 I've read that the City wanted to acquire the line above Dyre Avenue, but failed to do so. That still doesn't account for the stations he speaks of... (meaning extra stations between E.180 and Dyre) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted February 22, 2013 Share #29 Posted February 22, 2013 That still doesn't account for the stations he speaks of... (meaning extra stations between E.180 and Dyre) Okay. So as far as I know, there were, and are, no plans to add stations between E.180th Street and Dyre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 22, 2013 Share #30 Posted February 22, 2013 The only thing that would benefit Co-Op City is if the Dyre Ave line gets extented to Co-Op which would be doable since it kinda follows the old ROW and then with a curve goes into Co-Op. But that costs a lot of money. But *if* something should be done to benefit Co-Op this *would* be it. Stations in between won't help 'em and it won't help others either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 23, 2013 Share #31 Posted February 23, 2013 If serving Co-Op City is the main point of this thread than this concern is moot. The Penn Station Access study basically kills the function of this thread. The idea is to have the Metro North serve this region, and that is what it will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 23, 2013 Share #32 Posted February 23, 2013 Yeah, because everyone from Co-Op likes to pay a high fare for Metro-North *within* the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato ku Posted February 23, 2013 Share #33 Posted February 23, 2013 Lower is density, higher is the distance between stops. Looking with Google, the area seems to be dominated by little single familly houses. The distance between stations is not even high (only 1km) and the stations have a pretty low ridership. I don't see the need of a new station in this section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 23, 2013 Share #34 Posted February 23, 2013 Yes, new stations aren't needed. But the ridership isn't low at all. If the ridership was so low then there would be no demand for extra service. But the demand for extra service is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato ku Posted February 23, 2013 Share #35 Posted February 23, 2013 It is because the frequencies are low but if you look the overal traffic of the stations, it is not high. Eastchester – Dyre Avenue: 1,309,695 Baychester Avenue: 1,106,959 Gun Hill Road: 1,683,011 Pelham Parkway: 897,433 Morris Park: 554,320 It means that Gun Hill Road, the busiest station had about 5,500 entries per workday in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 23, 2013 Share #36 Posted February 23, 2013 And that is not high??? What have you been smoking??? Still, people in the area are asking for extra service because service is really bad at the moment so demand is there. If you don't believe me, people from here can tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato ku Posted February 23, 2013 Share #37 Posted February 23, 2013 No it is not high, the median station of New York subway by traffic, Winthrop St, had a ridership of 2,173,945 in 2011. All those stations are below the median. Morris Park is among the least used stations of New York subway system. Still, people in the area are asking for extra service because service is really bad at the moment so demand is there. If you don't believe me, people from here can tell you. This is not surprising because the frequencies are low (5tph now according Google) but this doesn't means that the overall traffic is high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 23, 2013 Share #38 Posted February 23, 2013 Because Morris Park also sees usage from Metro-North. Still, let's wait for the people here to tell you that there is demand on the Dyre Ave line for extra service without extra stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted February 23, 2013 Share #39 Posted February 23, 2013 Woah guys. Just claim down. All of us already agreed that there are no possibilities of any new stations along the esplanade cut. Let's just leave it as that. In any case, how does a station in the hundred thousands+ entries not considered as high? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato ku Posted February 23, 2013 Share #40 Posted February 23, 2013 I didn't say that there isn't demand for extra services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted February 23, 2013 Share #41 Posted February 23, 2013 curious the new M8 cars can they potentially use or run on SIR tracks in SI IF I am only asking if it is possible not if it should be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted February 23, 2013 Share #42 Posted February 23, 2013 No it is not high, the median station of New York subway by traffic, Winthrop St, had a ridership of 2,173,945 in 2011. All those stations are below the median. Morris Park is among the least used stations of New York subway system. This is not surprising because the frequencies are low (5tph now according Google) but this doesn't means that the overall traffic is high. 5,500 riders a day is higher than some bus lines. To give you an idea, the S61/62 out on Staten Island carry a little less than that (individually). And keep in mind that this is in a city with very high transit usage. (By U.S. standards anyway) Because Morris Park also sees usage from Metro-North. Still, let's wait for the people here to tell you that there is demand on the Dyre Ave line for extra service without extra stations. Morris Park doesn't have Metro-North service. That plan is a proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted February 23, 2013 Share #43 Posted February 23, 2013 Exactly whom is demanding this increased service on the Dyre Avenue Line? What time of day is this increased service needed? Weekday or weekend? I worked the Dyre for over a quarter century and except for a few rush hour intervals I've never encountered this supposed need for more service. Dyre, Gun Hill, and Pelham Parkway(to a lesser extent) have higher ridership during rush hours because of bus traffic and that's about it. Outside of rush hours you could probably fit the patrons at Morris Park into one car. At 3 pm the only crowds I've seen on the line are schoolkids at Baychester, Gun Hill, and Pelham Parkway. Surely we're not advocating schooltrippers like they do on the buses, are we? As far as adding an additional stop or two on the line the idea is "foam" as far as I'm concerned. Additional trains or stations on the line aren't justified no matter how you look at the statistics. That's my opinion but you are entitled to your own. No offense to anyone. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 23, 2013 Share #44 Posted February 23, 2013 @checkmate: You're right, I confused Morris Park with Morris Heights. Thanks for correcting me. And indeed, 5500 is really a lot of people a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato ku Posted February 23, 2013 Share #45 Posted February 23, 2013 5,500 riders a day is higher than some bus lines. To give you an idea, the S61/62 out on Staten Island carry a little less than that (individually). And keep in mind that this is in a city with very high transit usage. (By U.S. standards anyway) Even for a bus 5,500 riders a day is not high. The median local bus line by traffic of NYC Transit Bus, line Bx17, had 10,000 riders per weekday in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted February 23, 2013 Share #46 Posted February 23, 2013 Even for a bus 5,500 riders a day is not high. The median local bus line by traffic of NYC Transit Bus, line Bx17, had 10,000 riders per weekday in 2011. But remember that's one station. So that one station has higher ridership than lines like the S62. If you want to consider the whole line (which is still shorter than a lot of bus lines in the system), that's what, 5 stations on the line? Multiply that by 5, and we're talking about over 25,000 riders. (Probably closer to 30,000, if Morris Park has the lowest ridership) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato ku Posted February 24, 2013 Share #47 Posted February 24, 2013 Honestly, a station with less than 2 million entries is a station with a rather low ridership. The ridership of the five stations of the Dyre Avenue Line combined was 5,551,418 in 2011. That's 19,439 entries per weekday. For five stations this is not what I would call high, especially when you know that there are 76 stations (or 66 stations per weekday traffic) with a higher ridership than those five station combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted February 24, 2013 Share #48 Posted February 24, 2013 Honestly, a station with less than 2 million entries is a station with a rather low ridership. The ridership of the five stations of the Dyre Avenue Line combined was 5,551,418 in 2011. That's 19,439 entries per weekday. For five stations this is not what I would call high, especially when you know that there are 76 stations (or 66 stations per weekday traffic) with a higher ridership than those five station combined. Well, that's what I'm saying. Relative to other subway lines, it may be low, but it's still not something you can brush off like that. But let's just agree to disagree on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato ku Posted February 24, 2013 Share #49 Posted February 24, 2013 Don't forget that a subway system costs a lot of money to operate and maintain. A subway station with only 1.5 million entries annually cost more money than it brings back. Except to lose even more money, there are not enough demand to built an other station on this line. Everybody would love to have a subway next to its home (as long it does not make too much noise) with frequencies under 2 minutes but it is not possible everywhere. MTA has already enough financial difficulties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted February 24, 2013 Share #50 Posted February 24, 2013 I would like extra AM Rush service on the Esplanade segment of the . I say trains should run on a 6 minute clip instead of the 8-10 minutes they do now. Trains from Nereid can run once every 12 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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