Metro CSW Posted February 20, 2013 Share #1 Posted February 20, 2013 Public Hearing: Bx15, Bx55 Service Revisions and Relocation of the Full-Time Staff Area at the Kingsbridge Rd Station. The Metropolitan Transportation Authority proposes to revise the Bx15 and Bx55 bus routes in conjunction with the start of Bx41 SBS service. This service change would rename the Bx55 Limited as the Bx15 Limited. The Bx15 Limited would be removed from the segment of Webster Avenue north of Fordham Road. While the Bx55 Limited currently only operates on weekdays, this segment would be served by the enhanced, all-day Bx41 SBS service. Over the course of the day, the segment of Webster Avenue north of Fordham Road would see an increased number of bus trips. In addition, the southern terminal of the Bx15 Limited would be West 125th Street/12th Avenue in Manhattan, and the southern terminal of the Bx15 Local would be The Hub (East 149th Street/3rd Avenue in the Bronx) with service extended to West 125th Street/12th Avenue in Manhattan nights and weekends when the Bx15 Limited is not operating. Relocation of Full-Time Staffed Agent Booth at Kingsbridge Road Station To allow wheelchair users direct access to a station agent, the MTA also proposes to relocate the full-time staffed agent booth at the Kingsbridge Rd station from its existing location at the station's northern entrance on 196 Street and Grand Concourse (entrance N221) to the station's southern entrance at Kingsbridge Road and Grand Concourse (entrance N220) where new ADA elevators are being installed. The northern entrance N221 would remain available for passenger use on a 24/7 basis, but no longer would have a station agent present. A diagram depicting the proposed change appears below. MTA.info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkupf Posted February 21, 2013 Share #2 Posted February 21, 2013 I think that for these revisions, for once, NYCT got it right. It's a known fact that more people live near Webster Avenue than 3rd Avenue. In other words, the revisions accurately reflect current ridership patterns and trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted February 22, 2013 Share #3 Posted February 22, 2013 Is the Webster Avenue to LGA SBS route also part of these changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted February 22, 2013 I assume that cutting the Bx55 could bring more buses for the extension. Let's see where this take off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted February 22, 2013 Share #5 Posted February 22, 2013 Is the Webster Avenue to LGA SBS route also part of these changes? No, that route won't happen until 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted February 28, 2013 Share #6 Posted February 28, 2013 Slept on this thread.... The Metropolitan Transportation Authority proposes to revise the Bx15 and Bx55 bus routes in conjunction with the start of Bx41 SBS service. This service change would rename the Bx55 Limited as the Bx15 Limited. The Bx15 Limited would be removed from the segment of Webster Avenue north of Fordham Road. While the Bx55 Limited currently only operates on weekdays, this segment would be served by the enhanced, all-day Bx41 SBS service. hmmpf, 'twas only a matter of time with the Bx55... What I'd like to know is, would this plan result in an increase of Bx15's locals & a decrease of Bx15 LTD's? (Or vice versa?).... In other words, are they using this consolidation as a means to cut service to/from manhattan & focus more on the intra-bronx usage on the Bx15.... Also, this all makes you wonder if they planned on swapping the old Bx39 & Bx41 NB terminals back when they did, b/c they had future aspirations to throw +SBS+ on the 41.... I think that for these revisions, for once, NYCT got it right. It's a known fact that more people live near Webster Avenue than 3rd Avenue. In other words, the revisions accurately reflect current ridership patterns and trends. While true, it's how those current ridership patterns/trends came to be though.... This is another case of the MTA coming up with a solution for a problem they created (that "problem" being, bastardizing the Bx55 the way they did).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted February 28, 2013 Share #7 Posted February 28, 2013 I really doubt they're gonna send the 41 back up to Wakefield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favbusbx13 Posted March 2, 2013 Share #8 Posted March 2, 2013 Will this mean the 55 becomes WF? Or stays KB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted March 2, 2013 Share #9 Posted March 2, 2013 Since all 3 Av service will be from the Bx15, I'd imagine West Farms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted March 2, 2013 Share #10 Posted March 2, 2013 This is another case of the MTA coming up with a solution for a problem they created (that "problem" being, bastardizing the Bx55 the way they did).... Of course, you're referring to the MetroCard transfer privileges that were intorduced in 1997. That move expanded the special Bx55-to- privilege to all other bus and subway routes, so that people along Third Avenue could take any crosstown route to get a free subway transfer at their choice of connecting stations and were no longer wedded to either the Bx55 or the or the . In other words, the Bx55 was "demoted" from a subway replacement (with subway-only transfers) to being "just another bus line." (The T.W.U. actually grieved against the expanded transfer privileges on the grounds that "demoting" the Bx55 violated its members' seniority rights.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 2, 2013 Share #11 Posted March 2, 2013 In other words, the Bx55 was "demoted" from a subway replacement (with subway-only transfers) to being "just another bus line." Yeah, and look where that's gotten the current Bx55 - just another bus line with no weekend service.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted March 2, 2013 Share #12 Posted March 2, 2013 Bx55 lost late night service north of Fordham Plaza before Metrocard free transfers began Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted March 2, 2013 Share #13 Posted March 2, 2013 Of course, you're referring to the MetroCard transfer privileges that were intorduced in 1997. That move expanded the special Bx55-to- privilege to all other bus and subway routes, so that people along Third Avenue could take any crosstown route to get a free subway transfer at their choice of connecting stations and were no longer wedded to either the Bx55 or the or the . In other words, the Bx55 was "demoted" from a subway replacement (with subway-only transfers) to being "just another bus line." (The T.W.U. actually grieved against the expanded transfer privileges on the grounds that "demoting" the Bx55 violated its members' seniority rights.) Isn't funny that the B42 was the same way until 1997, except nothing happened to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted March 3, 2013 Share #14 Posted March 3, 2013 Bx55 lost late night service north of Fordham Plaza before Metrocard free transfers began Darn those stupid passengers - they never ride correctly when the traffic checkers are out and about!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted March 4, 2013 Share #15 Posted March 4, 2013 Will this mean the 55 becomes WF? Or stays KB? There will not be a 55 anymore. I suspect that it will all go to West Farms. Isn't funny that the B42 was the same way until 1997, except nothing happened to it? The B42 is unique in that it's the only route with a terminus within subway fare control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depotofrelax Posted March 4, 2013 Share #16 Posted March 4, 2013 Since all 3 Av service will be from the Bx15, I'd imagine West Farms. I agree with West Farms Depot kind of. 2 explain. West Farms Depot does not have enough articulated bus & only chance they would rather use Orion7 or C40LF New Flyer . At least they can take their 2004 D60HF new flyer articulated bus #5600 series back from 126 street Depot. Their articulated bus was #5638 - #5645 ( belong to West Farms Depot). But I was rather choose Gun Hill Depot. But they would not happen. they are retiring their old 2000 D60HF new flyer model #5300 - #5400 series. West Farms Depot should get their articulated bus back from 126 street Depot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted March 5, 2013 Share #17 Posted March 5, 2013 somebody explain to me what the "subway replacement" buses are and the metrocard to subway transfer and why they demoted the from a subway replacement to a regular bus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted March 6, 2013 Share #18 Posted March 6, 2013 Essentially - The Bx55 was a replacement for the 3 Av El, which made the same stops between 149 St and Gun Hill Rd. [The 55 also had a branch to Yankee Stadium in the past, which I don't know much about] - Before the advent of the MetroCard, when tokens were used, there weren't really free subway-to-bus transfers, with subway replacement routes like the Bx55 being one of the few exceptions. - In 1997, when subway-to-bus transfers between all buses and all subway lines, the Bx55 lost its special status. Since then, it's slowly been cut [Weekend and evening service to Williamsbridge cut sometime in 2003 or 2004, weekend and overnight service cut in 2010, frequency of service reduced in 2011] and now it's finally going to be assimilated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted March 6, 2013 Share #19 Posted March 6, 2013 somebody explain to me what the "subway replacement" buses are and the metrocard to subway transfer and why they demoted the from a subway replacement to a regular bus? Actually, the was "promoted" or "upgraded," since it acquired bus transfer privileges on top of its subway privileges. However, all other bus routes were also "upgraded" with system-wide bus-to-subway transfer privileges. In other words, the "special" route and the "lesser" routes were all upgraded to the same thing. When everything becomes "special," then nothing is special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 6, 2013 Share #20 Posted March 6, 2013 Essentially - The Bx55 was a replacement for the 3 Av El, which made the same stops between 149 St and Gun Hill Rd. [The 55 also had a branch to Yankee Stadium in the past, which I don't know much about] - Before the advent of the MetroCard, when tokens were used, there weren't really free subway-to-bus transfers, with subway replacement routes like the Bx55 being one of the few exceptions. - In 1997, when subway-to-bus transfers between all buses and all subway lines, the Bx55 lost its special status. Since then, it's slowly been cut [Weekend and evening service to Williamsbridge cut sometime in 2003 or 2004, weekend and overnight service cut in 2010, frequency of service reduced in 2011] and now it's finally going to be assimilated. Good summary... Didn't realize it was that long since weekend service got cut.... In other words, the Bx55 was "demoted" from a subway replacement (with subway-only transfers) to being "just another bus line." (The T.W.U. actually grieved against the expanded transfer privileges on the grounds that "demoting" the Bx55 violated its members' seniority rights.) Actually, the was "promoted" or "upgraded," since it acquired bus transfer privileges on top of its subway privileges. However, all other bus routes were also "upgraded" with system-wide bus-to-subway transfer privileges. In other words, the "special" route and the "lesser" routes were all upgraded to the same thing. When everything becomes "special," then nothing is special. Well, which is it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted March 7, 2013 Share #21 Posted March 7, 2013 Good summary... Didn't realize it was that long since weekend service got cut.... Well, which is it.... Good catch. It's actually BOTH. Yes, the was "upgraded" with expended transfer privileges, but everything else was also upgraded. That made the "just another bus route," which was effectively a demotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaacsorden Posted March 7, 2013 Share #22 Posted March 7, 2013 Public Hearing: Bx15, Bx55 Service Revisions and Relocation of the Full-Time Staff Area at the Kingsbridge Rd Station. The Metropolitan Transportation Authority proposes to revise the Bx15 and Bx55 bus routes in conjunction with the start of Bx41 SBS service. This service change would rename the Bx55 Limited as the Bx15 Limited. The Bx15 Limited would be removed from the segment of Webster Avenue north of Fordham Road. While the Bx55 Limited currently only operates on weekdays, this segment would be served by the enhanced, all-day Bx41 SBS service. Over the course of the day, the segment of Webster Avenue north of Fordham Road would see an increased number of bus trips. In addition, the southern terminal of the Bx15 Limited would be West 125th Street/12th Avenue in Manhattan, and the southern terminal of the Bx15 Local would be The Hub (East 149th Street/3rd Avenue in the Bronx) with service extended to West 125th Street/12th Avenue in Manhattan nights and weekends when the Bx15 Limited is not operating. Relocation of Full-Time Staffed Agent Booth at Kingsbridge Road Station To allow wheelchair users direct access to a station agent, the MTA also proposes to relocate the full-time staffed agent booth at the Kingsbridge Rd station from its existing location at the station's northern entrance on 196 Street and Grand Concourse (entrance N221) to the station's southern entrance at Kingsbridge Road and Grand Concourse (entrance N220) where new ADA elevators are being installed. The northern entrance N221 would remain available for passenger use on a 24/7 basis, but no longer would have a station agent present. A diagram depicting the proposed change appears below. MTA.info SOMEONE TELL ME AGAIN ABOUT THE BX15 LOCAL.. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LOCAL IS GOING TO 149 ST 3AVE BUT WHERE IS THE THE UPTOWN LAST STOP AT. IS IT WHITE PLAINS RD GUN HILL RD OR IT GOING TO 241 ST WHITE PLAINS RD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 8, 2013 Share #23 Posted March 8, 2013 SOMEONE TELL ME AGAIN ABOUT THE BX15 LOCAL.. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LOCAL IS GOING TO 149 ST 3AVE BUT WHERE IS THE THE UPTOWN LAST STOP AT. IS IT WHITE PLAINS RD GUN HILL RD OR IT GOING TO 241 ST WHITE PLAINS RD. Neither.... Bx15's (limited's or locals) will end at Fordham plaza. That's why "The Bx15 Limited would be removed from the segment of Webster Avenue north of Fordham Road.".... * Bx15 LTD's - Fordham plaza to 12th/125th st, manhattan * Bx15 locals - Fordham plaza to 149th/3rd, the hub The Bx55 will be phased out due to the Bx15 LTD & the Bx41 (north of fordham plaza). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 8, 2013 Share #24 Posted March 8, 2013 Neither.... Bx15's (limited's or locals) will end at Fordham plaza. That's why "The Bx15 Limited would be removed from the segment of Webster Avenue north of Fordham Road.".... * Bx15 LTD's - Fordham plaza to 12th/125th st, manhattan * Bx15 locals - Fordham plaza to 149th/3rd, the hub The Bx55 will be phased out due to the Bx15 LTD & the Bx41 (north of fordham plaza). well don't you mean bx55 becoming bx15 LTD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted March 8, 2013 Share #25 Posted March 8, 2013 well don't you mean bx55 becoming bx15 LTD? Same thing, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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