RestrictOnTheHanger Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1 Posted June 5, 2013 The Metropolitan Transportation Authority plans to close a key subway tunnel linking Brooklyn and Manhattan for at least a year, bowing to the need for a prolonged outage to repair lingering damage from superstorm Sandy, an MTA official said. The closure of the Montague tube, which carries the train beneath the mouth of the East River, is a blow to tens of thousands of daily riders who commute on the from southern Brooklyn. Work on the Montague tube will likely begin in August, and is expected to last 12 to 14 months, the official said. It is the biggest post-Sandy setback for the , which has drawn high marks for the speed with which subway service was restored after the Oct. 29 storm. It may not be the last.Read More: Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted June 5, 2013 Share #2 Posted June 5, 2013 inb4wallyhorse But what about the other tunnels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestrictOnTheHanger Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted June 5, 2013 I'm guessing they will do / have done some work on the other tubes on nights/weekends since they weren't as badly damaged. We've already seen the late night / swap, closure of the 14th st tube, the usual shutdowns, and the 53rd/63rd reroutes. Anyone correct me if I'm guessing wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted June 5, 2013 Share #4 Posted June 5, 2013 They really have to do this, I hate to say it as someone who lives downtown part of the week and uses the frequently but it needs whatever repairs it has to get. Aside from all the random times there were "signal problems" in the tunnel, this weekend really proved there were problems with it with all 3 Broadway lines going through it. Absolute mess, almost an hour to get back from Atlantic to Cortlandt on the , folks coming from CI were NOT happy (apparently it caused problems all the way down the Brighton line and it took them 3 HOURS to get to Atlantic). Glad this is happening, but they better provide enough service on the across the river, it was bad enough after Sandy. That means no more shutdowns every weekend and hopefully weekend service to the nearest possible terminal in Brooklyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted June 5, 2013 Share #5 Posted June 5, 2013 As I would handle this: becomes Court Street-95th Street ONLY, but also runs that way at all times. runs over the bridge at all times. Rush hours (in the peak direction ONLY) and late nights (both directions), runs local between Pacific Street and 59th Street. is unaffected. returns and replaces the in Manhattan between Whitehall Street and 71st-Continental, except overnights. Overnights, there is no service between the "tunnel" level of Canal Street and Whitehall Street (the entrance at the "tunnel" level of Canal remains open only in the immediate fare control areas during these times, City Hall, Courtlandt Street, Rector and Whitehall Streets are closed during this time). This part is renamed to keep people in Brooklyn (especially Bay Ridge) happy, plus there was a that began at Whitehall for several years through June 2010. runs as it normally does. runs to Flatbush Avenue at all times except overnights. is extended to Atlantic Avenue late nights, using the center platform at Atlantic Avenue to turn. This would be done mainly to appease pols who otherwise might be upset as the extension in late nights would be done to compensate for the lack of service on the Broadway line at that time. Having the and in the overnights going to Atlantic Avenue would allow for much easier transfers between the Lexington and Broadway lines for Brooklyn passengers since they would be able to transfer to the at both Court Street and Atlantic Avenue for those south of Canal who need such (and that number has likely increased as lower Manhattan has gotten more back to normal post-Sandy). This to me makes the best of a bad situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted June 5, 2013 Share #6 Posted June 5, 2013 @Wallyhorse: No. You're over-complicating things again. There's no need for the northern section to renamed anything. People figured out how the split was running during the aftermath of Superstorm Sandy. They'll manage again. Rather than sending the to Flatbush, it would make more sense to add more trains to make up for the lack of service in lower Manhattan and downtown Brooklyn. Bringing the to Brooklyn is just overkill. @Joel Up Front: The other tunnels were not affected as badly as the Montague tubes. Regarding this situation in general, both the Joralemon tubes and the Manhattan Bridge south tracks will have to remain open through the duration of the Montague closure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted June 5, 2013 Share #7 Posted June 5, 2013 the one thing i cant understand, even tho i am no expert in how their electrical stuff work down there, why cant they shut one tube down and the other can be used. The wall is so thick that it wont slow down the worker or train. Could that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted June 5, 2013 Share #8 Posted June 5, 2013 @Lance: The to Atlantic Avenue would be overnights only. I would have the (and the at all times other than overnights) run to Brooklyn in order to compensate for the loss of the Montague tunnel and especially in the case of the as noted to keep pols happy. The re-naming of the Manhattan branch of the to is because this change will be for a year or more unlike in the immediate period after Sandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted June 5, 2013 Share #9 Posted June 5, 2013 @Lance: The to Atlantic Avenue would be overnights only. I would have the (and the at all times other than overnights) run to Brooklyn in order to compensate for the loss of the Montague tunnel and especially in the case of the as noted to keep pols happy. The re-naming of the Manhattan branch of the to is because this change will be for a year or more unlike in the immediate period after Sandy. The can handle the crowds with some adjusments during the late night. No need to extend the to Brooklyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted June 5, 2013 Share #10 Posted June 5, 2013 The re-naming of the Manhattan branch of the to is because this change will be for a year or more unlike in the immediate period after Sandy. ...... still a useless proposal than what Christine Quinn was thinking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted June 5, 2013 Share #11 Posted June 5, 2013 Man, as soon as I saw a post from Wallyhorse, I knew there was going to be some crazy chit coming. I'm surprised there was no mention of something running to the inner loop in that post! Okay, I hate to humor you, but I gotta ask - how is calling it the in Manhattan going to make the BROOKLYN customers HAPPY???? BTW - the Newtown Creek project is supposed to start as weekends only, but eventually there is gonna be a 24/7 closure when they start gutting the walls, as that's going to be a repair job that they can't quickly restore service to by 5am every Monday. I can't wait to hear the groveling from the hipsters once that phase starts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted June 5, 2013 Share #12 Posted June 5, 2013 the one thing i cant understand, even tho i am no expert in how their electrical stuff work down there, why cant they shut one tube down and the other can be used. The wall is so thick that it wont slow down the worker or train. Could that work? Capacity. You can't run trains more than one every 20 minutes that way, which is way less than any of those lines can handle during the day. Even on the they tried doing 8 car trains every 20 minutes when they got the first tube open and that was a disaster, and will mess up service for the rest of the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RtrainBlues Posted June 5, 2013 Share #13 Posted June 5, 2013 This will be a service increase in the overnight hours (with additional transfers to 2, 4, F and A trains) and offer a one-seat ride to Midtown via the Manhattan Bridge for weekend users. I hope they keep the same 10 minute schedule as before on weekends, since weekend R trains are timed to *exactly* meet the N at 59th and D at 36th. However I'm concerned with the reduced 10 minute headways during weekday rush-hours that led to massive overcrowding on trains and at the Atlantic Ave transfer point. If they could keep the 6 minute headways (or even 8 minute headways) during rush-hours, that would greatly ease overcrowding. I'm sure they don't need a full 10 minutes to turn a train around at Court St. (Can't send these R rush-hour trains over the bridge since there is always massive congestion on the D and N tracks where trains come to a stop multiple times between 36th and Atlantic.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 5, 2013 Share #14 Posted June 5, 2013 @Wallyhorse: No. You're over-complicating things again. There's no need for the northern section to renamed anything. People figured out how the split was running during the aftermath of Superstorm Sandy. They'll manage again. Rather than sending the to Flatbush, it would make more sense to add more trains to make up for the lack of service in lower Manhattan and downtown Brooklyn. Bringing the to Brooklyn is just overkill. @Joel Up Front: The other tunnels were not affected as badly as the Montague tubes. Regarding this situation in general, both the Joralemon tubes and the Manhattan Bridge south tracks will have to remain open through the duration of the Montague closure. I agree with your assessment, but isn't the already at capacity particularly at rush hour?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Local Posted June 5, 2013 Share #15 Posted June 5, 2013 The definitely needs to head to Brooklyn now all times except nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted June 5, 2013 Share #16 Posted June 5, 2013 Man, so much unneeded speculation. The will run in two sections during the week (BOTH called the ), and via the bridge on weekends. END OF STORY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted June 5, 2013 Share #17 Posted June 5, 2013 The is not coming back! Stop foaming! You got a chance of the coming back when the SAS opens and the is routed to it, but until then there will be NO . trains will run in 2 sections as Snowblock said. We could be seeing CI cars on the lower portion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Local Posted June 5, 2013 Share #18 Posted June 5, 2013 Its too bad the South side of the Manny B. doesn't have a connection to Nassau St anymore. The <R> could have made a comeback from 95 to Broad via the Bridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted June 5, 2013 Share #19 Posted June 5, 2013 EDIT: never mind i found my info looking for and the mta already has the page up http://web.mta.info/nyct/service/R_14monthMontagueTunnelClosure.htm also the has its page on the website but the mta also titled it for the R http://web.mta.info/nyct/service/G_GreenpointTunnelWeekendClosure.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8thAveExpress Posted June 5, 2013 Share #20 Posted June 5, 2013 The is not coming back! Stop foaming! You got a chance of the coming back when the SAS opens and the is routed to it, but until then there will be NO . trains will run in 2 sections as Snowblock said. We could be seeing CI cars on the lower portion though. You can't say "stop foaming" and tell us we could see R68/ R68a trains, which would cause even more foaming than the return of the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted June 5, 2013 Share #21 Posted June 5, 2013 You can't say "stop foaming" and tell us we could see R68/ R68a trains, which would cause even more foaming than the return of the I said stop foaming over the . If anything they will be R160s which have ran the many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8thAveExpress Posted June 5, 2013 Share #22 Posted June 5, 2013 I said stop foaming over the . If anything they will be R160s which have ran the many times. I thought the MTA is short on R160 cars (only 10% in reserve), and they had more R68/R68a cars in reserve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted June 5, 2013 Share #23 Posted June 5, 2013 I was not foaming over the or anything else. The way I would have done it (with the Manhattan/Queens branch of the becoming while the Brooklyn went to Court Street at all times) while the went to Brooklyn all times aside from overnights and the extended to Atlantic Avenue overnights among other things) had everything to do with pleasing pols who might otherwise get upset. I would not be surprised if pols in downtown Brooklyn make demands that Jay Street-Metrotech and Court Street receive service at all times in order to keep transfers at those stations in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 5, 2013 Share #24 Posted June 5, 2013 LOL... I think this WallyHorse guy is hilarious. The only time he posts is when there are train diversions and then he comes up with all of these fantasy routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted June 5, 2013 Share #25 Posted June 5, 2013 The hell is with people and their fetish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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