DJ MC Posted June 25, 2013 Share #1 Posted June 25, 2013 June 25th, 1993 marks the last run of the R30 subway cars, which were the last non stainless steel cars built for the B-division still in service. The cars that made the last run include: R-30A 8408-8397R-30 8322-8305R-30 8298-8295R-30A 8396-8393 Some of these cars appeared in movies after being retired. Credits go to David Pirmann for the picture. Credits for the last consist also goes to the NYD Bulletin of September 1993 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupojohn Posted June 25, 2013 Share #2 Posted June 25, 2013 What station is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted June 25, 2013 Share #3 Posted June 25, 2013 What station is that? Rockaway Park on the Rockaway Shuttle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted June 25, 2013 To see the R30s in action go to 5:35 in this video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted June 25, 2013 Share #5 Posted June 25, 2013 The MTA would never have experienced that equipment shortage if they had at least kept the R-30As around another couple of years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted June 26, 2013 The MTA would never have experienced that equipment shortage if they had at least kept the R-30As around another couple of years... Some were actually kept, but some genius decided "Hey get rid of any mothballed equipment." and the stored R30s joined their brothers and sisters at Naparano Iron and Metals. I guess some people want to do things the hard way and it came back to bite the MTA once the Metrocard was introduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolmazin Posted June 26, 2013 Share #7 Posted June 26, 2013 I thought they were around until the R143s replaced them? Weren't they? If not what in the world did R143s replace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted June 26, 2013 I thought they were around until the R143s replaced them? Weren't they? If not what in the world did R143s replace? You may have seen some of the R30s that were still on the property being used as school cars and other non revenue runs. Since no R30s were running in regular service after 1993, you can safely say that the R143s replaced nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted June 26, 2013 Share #9 Posted June 26, 2013 I thought they were around until the R143s replaced them? Weren't they? If not what in the world did R143s replace? The R30s were replaced with the R68. The R143 just pushed the slants to other lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato ku Posted June 27, 2013 Share #10 Posted June 27, 2013 The MTA would never have experienced that equipment shortage if they had at least kept the R-30As around another couple of years... These trains were just 30 years old, those could run almost an other decade. Why did they retired them so early? Some technical problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted June 27, 2013 Share #11 Posted June 27, 2013 These trains were just 30 years old, those could run almost an other decade. Why did they retired them so early? Some technical problems? I guess because they were made from non-stainless steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato ku Posted June 27, 2013 Share #12 Posted June 27, 2013 This makes sense. I see on Wikipedia that R30 were refurbished between 1985 and 1988, they scrapped the trains only few years after their refurbishments. This seems to be a waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted June 27, 2013 Share #13 Posted June 27, 2013 These trains were just 30 years old, those could run almost an other decade. Why did they retired them so early? Some technical problems? They could not be air conditioned, because they were single units rather than married pairs, and therefore were already quite heavy. The only other singles of similar vintage, the R33 singles that were assigned to the 7, were also not air conditioned, but since the R33 singles only appeared as one car on an 11-car train (the third car from the Flushing end), they were easy for riders to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted June 27, 2013 Share #14 Posted June 27, 2013 Really? NYCSubway identifies them all as married pair cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted June 27, 2013 Share #15 Posted June 27, 2013 But they were "Protestant" pairs that were not permanently linked like the others, so I guess they still acted more like single cars. Though since there was still the divide, with the electrical and pneumatic equipment in the different cars; I forget why this prevented them from having A/C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted June 27, 2013 Share #16 Posted June 27, 2013 I forgot that the R30s were Protestant pairs. Thanks for the reminder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share #17 Posted June 27, 2013 These trains were just 30 years old, those could run almost an other decade. Why did they retired them so early? Some technical problems? On top of what has been already said, declining ridership on the subway made the cars surplus. Plus the R30s weren't the only cars retired early. Many of the cars retired in the 1980s didn't make it to 40 years of service. Most were retired with 28-33 years of service. The only subway cars that did hit 40 years in service during the 1980s were the Green R10s of 1948 vintage, which ironically were replaced by the R27/30s that came from the Eastern division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato ku Posted June 27, 2013 Share #18 Posted June 27, 2013 Thank you for all these answer. The surplus was not long because I read in the previous page that MTA had shortage few years later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share #19 Posted June 27, 2013 Thank you for all these answer. The surplus was not long because I read in the previous page that MTA had shortage few years later? Yeah the Metrocard was introduced. By the way here is another video of the R30s. 8408 is seen, which was on the last run of the R30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted June 28, 2013 Share #20 Posted June 28, 2013 Really? NYCSubway identifies them all as married pair cars. I stand corrected - thank you! I could have sworn they were singles, but I guess I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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