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So As we all know there are R160s on the ©and R32s on the (J) I and a few others are starting our Rider Survey again. Not long after the swap, I took the liberty to ask a few passengers (on an R32 (J) train) what they thought about riding in the specific car class. The general response was " it doesnt matter, as long as i get a seat and the A/C is on, im fine" as for the (C) riders on board the R160 they were thrilled. Got two comments "finally this line got new cars" & "they need to put more on this line, its really time for our upgrade" so in conclusion, the swap works well and (J) riders are unaffected and (C) riders are happy.

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With no disrespect intended to the OP, the surveys are no doubt rhetorical. The majority of riders won't express much opinion is they're stuck with the "old" cars, but generally there will be compliments if they get the "new" cars.

 

Again no disrespect, but fairly obvious.

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Hahaha and in October those riders are going to be disappointed once again when they get their beloved R32's back :)

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you should have incudled to the C riders that this was only for the summer.

Why disappoint the regular riders. They think minor stuff like this is eternal.

 

 

Hahaha and in October those riders are going to be disappointed once again when they get their beloved R32's back :)

Never ending cycle dude. If they expect them to never return, they have another thing coming.

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things can change, but if the R160s does go back home to ENY, then those people will bicth

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This is pretty dumb.  It's like they get new cars and then keep moving them around.  They should put them on one line and be done with it. Keep them on the (C) and replace the old ones on the (J).  They're beating those R32's to death.  Retire the things already.  They're obviously past their life time if they can't provide simple things like A/C. The (MTA) is so behind that it's not even funny... 2013 and they're still using cars like this.  What a disgrace.

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Again, where's the money to buy the new trains to replace them? It's not like they can build 200 new cars in a day or would you rather have a train shortage just so you don't need to see the R32s running?

As someone on subchat said: if the temperature reaches a certain number, the a/c shuts off. So that's why the R32s have to be outdoors. It was either a swap with the A again or the J (which is a perfect 8 for 8 car swap). Why leave them on the C? People should have some a/c cars in the summer, thus the point of the swap in the first place.

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Again, where's the money to buy the new trains to replace them? It's not like they can build 200 new cars in a day or would you rather have a train shortage just so you don't need to see the R32s running?

As someone on subchat said: if the temperature reaches a certain number, the a/c shuts off. So that's why the R32s have to be outdoors. It was either a swap with the A again or the J (which is a perfect 8 for 8 car swap). Why leave them on the C? People should have some a/c cars in the summer, thus the point of the swap in the first place.

Um, the capital budget?? They're raising fares, generating revenue. Let's start seeing more improvements.  Our subway system is like a 3rd world country.  It's a joke.

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If only they knew...

 

If only you knew the (MTA)... (hint: (MTA) is good at changing plans at the last moment)

 

 

Again, where's the money to buy the new trains to replace them?

 

Who says that's needed? They can keep it like it is now: some R32's and some R160's running together on the (C).

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Who says that's needed? They can keep it like it is now: some R32's and some R160's running together on the (C).

Well they can't keep running those antiquated trains forever.  They'll have to replace them sooner or later.

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Well they can't keep running those antiquated trains forever.  They'll have to replace them sooner or later.

 

Which is why the 300 R179 cars are coming in around 2015 through until around 2017 to get rid of those 222/600 leftover R32s and 50/400 R42s. It would be better if both the (C) and (J) were a mixed fleet of R179s and R160A-1s as 207th Street and East New York yards can maintain both equipment.

 

Honesty, I can't image how it will be like when the (A) and/or (R) get low marks by the Straphangers Campaign once the R46s become the oldest cars in the system after the R32s retire. Eh...

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Um, the capital budget?? They're raising fares, generating revenue. Let's start seeing more improvements.  Our subway system is like a 3rd world country.  It's a joke.

Interesting---

 

Other threads you are usually quick to point out a lack of MTA revenue when you disagree with a poster's idea.

 

Now suddenly, there is revenue?

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This is pretty dumb.  It's like they get new cars and then keep moving them around.  They should put them on one line and be done with it. Keep them on the  (C) and replace the old ones on the  (J).  They're beating those R32's to death.  Retire the things already.  They're obviously past their life time if they can't provide simple things like A/C. The  (MTA) is so behind that it's not even funny... 2013 and they're still using cars like this.  What a disgrace.

 

The maintenance shops at either end of the C aren't equipped to work with R160's. 

 

The R32's can't be retired until their replacements arrive.

 

Most of the time, the air conditioning works fine - if anything, the cars are typically cooler and less humid than the R160's. The problem is that it isn't very reliable when the temperatures underground are very high.

 

Um, the capital budget?? They're raising fares, generating revenue. Let's start seeing more improvements.  Our subway system is like a 3rd world country.  It's a joke.

 

http://www.mta.info/capitaldashboard/10_14/CapitalDashBoard7.html

 

http://www.mta.info/mta/news/books/docs/r_179_staff_summary_March_2012.pdf

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The maintenance shops at either end of the C aren't equipped to work with R160's. 

 

The R32's can't be retired until their replacements arrive.

 

Most of the time, the air conditioning works fine - if anything, the cars are typically cooler and less humid than the R160's. The problem is that it isn't very reliable when the temperatures underground are very high.

 

 

http://www.mta.info/capitaldashboard/10_14/CapitalDashBoard7.html

 

http://www.mta.info/mta/news/books/docs/r_179_staff_summary_March_2012.pdf

Well they need to start making the changes to get them equipped to handle R160's... That's the story for the (MTA)... Too old to do this... Not equipped to do that...  <_< It's no wonder the subway system is in such terrible shape.... Those R179's I've been hearing about for years now... What's even scarier is they were going to keep those redbirds and just outfit then with new sensors... When they found out that the cost would be similar to putting in new door sensors that's when they started buying new cars... 

 

 

Interesting---

 

Other threads you are usually quick to point out a lack of MTA revenue when you disagree with a poster's idea.

 

Now suddenly, there is revenue?

Well you tell me... What are the other options? They're in dire need of new cars and those R32's need to be replaced sooner rather than later so what other options do they have? They can keep trying to run the R32's for years to come and have to deal with more unreliable cars and more breakdowns or they can finally get rid of those hideous outdated subway cars.  The (MTA) has money for tons of useless project managers and bloated management, so they can find the money for more subway cars.

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Um, the capital budget?? They're raising fares, generating revenue. Let's start seeing more improvements.  Our subway system is like a 3rd world country.  It's a joke.

 

Well, there are more subway systems in the world that are a 3rd world country. But those aren't comparable (way smaller and stuff). But still.

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Hahaha and in October those riders are going to be disappointed once again when they get their beloved R32's back :)

Watch the complaints hit the blogs when that happens.

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Well, there are more subway systems in the world that are a 3rd world country. But those aren't comparable (way smaller and stuff). But still.

Well we aren't a 3rd world country.  That's the point.  NYC should be at the forefront, which includes our subway system... 

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Well we aren't a 3rd world country. That's the point. NYC should be at the forefront, which includes our subway system...

Damn right!

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Which is why the 300 R179 cars are coming in around 2015 through until around 2017 to get rid of those 222/600 leftover R32s and 50/400 R42s. It would be better if both the (C) and (J) were a mixed fleet of R179s and R160A-1s as 207th Street and East New York yards can maintain both equipment.

 

Honesty, I can't image how it will be like when the (A) and/or (R) get low marks by the Straphangers Campaign once the R46s become the oldest cars in the system after the R32s retire. Eh...

The R46's are the next set of cars that I hate the most... It's like going back in a time warp with the hideous 70's interior and multicolored seating, not to mention the dirty feel I get just stepping on those trains. 

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Well they need to start making the changes to get them equipped to handle R160's... That's the story for the (MTA)... Too old to do this... Not equipped to do that...  <_< It's no wonder the subway system is in such terrible shape.... Those R179's I've been hearing about for years now... What's even scarier is they were going to keep those redbirds and just outfit then with new sensors... When they found out that the cost would be similar to putting in new door sensors that's when they started buying new cars... 

 

 

Well you tell me... What are the other options? They're in dire need of new cars and those R32's need to be replaced sooner rather than later so what other options do they have? They can keep trying to run the R32's for years to come and have to deal with more unreliable cars and more breakdowns or they can finally get rid of those hideous outdated subway cars.  The (MTA) has money for tons of useless project managers and bloated management, so they can find the money for more subway cars.

 

They were not going to keep the Redbirds... the cars were rusting, they was gonna get retired regardless.

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