RockParkH Posted March 13, 2010 Share #26 Posted March 13, 2010 does any one have a possible images or layouts about the Orion X? well someone made a video on youtube about how the O7 NG would look if it was an artic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share #27 Posted March 14, 2010 well someone made a video on youtube about how the O7 NG would look if it was an artic Do you have the link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted March 16, 2010 Share #28 Posted March 16, 2010 It's the Citaro that Orion will be marketing and selling in North America...Unless plans have changed since 3 weeks ago when I last spoke to someone at Orion 3 weeks ago about it, which I highly doubt. It will not be fully based on the Citaro but it will be mostly on that design but redesigned for the North American market and also IIRC the plan to sell this model is like 2012-2013 time frame as Orion isnt gonna rush this new model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaimlerBuses Posted March 16, 2010 Share #29 Posted March 16, 2010 It will not be fully based on the Citaro but it will be mostly on that design but redesigned for the North American market and also IIRC the plan to sell this model is like 2012-2013 time frame as Orion isnt gonna rush this new model It's the Citaro, with design modifications to meet NA standards... And yes, they want to start bidding for contracts with it by 2013, with assembly starting sometime in 2014-2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous85 Posted March 17, 2010 Share #30 Posted March 17, 2010 It's the Citaro, with design modifications to meet NA standards... And yes, they want to start bidding for contracts with it by 2013, with assembly starting sometime in 2014-2015. Interesting, I wonder why the development for the OX would take so long since it's just a Citaro with modifications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bx41 Wakefield Posted March 17, 2010 Share #31 Posted March 17, 2010 So there was the Orion I, II, III, V, VI, VII, and soon to be X. What happened to VIII and IX or even IV for that matter? Would they count the second generation Orion VII as the VIII and the 3rd NG as the IX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princelex Posted March 17, 2010 Share #32 Posted March 17, 2010 So there was the Orion I, II, III, V, VI, VII, and soon to be X. What happened to VIII and IX or even IV for that matter? Would they count the second generation Orion VII as the VIII and the 3rd NG as the IX? I was wondering the exact same thing. What's up with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted March 20, 2010 Share #33 Posted March 20, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R22 Shoal Point Posted March 20, 2010 Share #34 Posted March 20, 2010 Interestingly New York City Emergency Medical Service had a Orion IV too (tractor). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted September 30, 2010 Author Share #35 Posted September 30, 2010 The Orion X Articulated model now has an official designation. It will in fact be the Orion VIII. All along, I was thinking it would be X as in Ten. But the X actually stood for an unnamed new project. The program schedule is running about a 2 1/2 years behind the time line I was originally given. As it stands the bus will have the underpinnings of a Citaro, and the signature styling of an Orion product. They hope to have the first demo built by late 2012, early 2013. The are planning to start accepting bids and orders in 2013, with initial entry into service in the late 2014 range. Powertrain options have yet to be confirmed, yet hybrid is a definite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted September 30, 2010 Share #36 Posted September 30, 2010 We should probably stickify this thread as this topic heats up. Orion V ending production? That will be a (kinda) sad day. Another American classic gone. Now, about the Orion X... I have a feeling they will offer it in standard diesel as well, for those systems who either object to having hybrid buses or don't have the maintenance capabilities for one. And if it gets it's looks from the Orion VII NG, people might call it an Orion VII NG Artic... Orion's Canadian, bro. The only American buses left in service are the RTS buses. Everything else (New Flyer, Nova, MCI) is Canadian, except for the DesignLines, as those are from New Zealand. That fact that those four manufacturers are all Canadian are also the reason why Canadian TAs get the buses first, though the MTA has been dealing with them for a while. ENY, is it true that the only buses the MTA bought brand new from Orion other than the O7s are the Orion Vs for Long Island Bus (including the Orion 5 diesel)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share #37 Posted October 1, 2010 Orion's Canadian, bro. The only American buses left in service are the RTS buses. Everything else (New Flyer, Nova, MCI) is Canadian, except for the DesignLines, as those are from New Zealand. That fact that those four manufacturers are all Canadian are also the reason why Canadian TAs get the buses first, though the MTA has been dealing with them for a while. ENY, is it true that the only buses the MTA bought brand new from Orion other than the O7s are the Orion Vs for Long Island Bus (including the Orion 5 diesel)? No. I think the TA got all of the NYCT Orions brand new except for some of the Orion VI hybrids. IIRC, the 6000's were built for another TA and diverted to MTA, which still means they were purchased brand new. All Orion V's for LIB were purchased by Nassau County, and the LIB O7's were purchased by the MTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted October 1, 2010 Share #38 Posted October 1, 2010 And there still has to be an Orion 8 and 9 before they can go to 10. Not unless they made an 8 and 9 and they failed horribly, which made them go straight to 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share #39 Posted October 1, 2010 And there still has to be an Orion 8 and 9 before they can go to 10. Not unless they made an 8 and 9 and they failed horribly, which made them go straight to 10. Well GMC skipped the series 2, and 5 with the RTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted October 1, 2010 Share #40 Posted October 1, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share #41 Posted October 1, 2010 MCI's status is akward becuase there are more than one MCI. There is a canadian company, but it has an american twin brother. they are seperate, but owned by the same private groups. Although MCI has been sold recently to a New York capital firm, and is now under new management, the companies are not seperate. They are just two divisions if you will. New Flyer has an American subsidiary as well. It's like MaBSTOA, and NYCTA. Same company, with MaBSTOA being a subsidiary of NYCTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted October 1, 2010 Share #42 Posted October 1, 2010 Orion's Canadian, bro. Um... I posted that two years ago back when i didn't know any better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted October 1, 2010 Share #43 Posted October 1, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share #44 Posted October 1, 2010 MCI Limited (canada) and MCI INC. (US) are legaly independant of one another, and are connected through thier ownership by MCI International. the better anology is LIRR vs. MNRR, seperate from each other but still part of the overal MTA organization. Just Like New Flyer Industries (Canada) and New Flyer of America Inc. (USA), as well as Daimler Buses (Europe), and Daimler Buses North America. There are hundreds of businesses set up like that solely for legal purposes, yet it's still the same company. Both MCI LTD. and MCI Inc. are wholly owned subsidiaries of Motor Coach Industries International Inc. Now an American company. Like OA is a wholly owned subsidiary of TA. OA was created for legal purposes. But the LIRR-MNR relationship is different. They are just divisions of MTA, and not subsidiaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted October 3, 2010 Share #45 Posted October 3, 2010 The Orion X Articulated model now has an official designation. It will in fact be the Orion VIII. All along, I was thinking it would be X as in Ten. But the X actually stood for an unnamed new project. The program schedule is running about a 2 1/2 years behind the time line I was originally given. As it stands the bus will have the underpinnings of a Citaro, and the signature styling of an Orion product. They hope to have the first demo built by late 2012, early 2013. The are planning to start accepting bids and orders in 2013, with initial entry into service in the late 2014 range. Powertrain options have yet to be confirmed, yet hybrid is a definite. Guess this means they will not be able to compete with a TTC order in 2012 then if TTC still looks to order Artics and also Will miss most of the MTA order for new artics in the 2010-2014 orders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 3, 2010 Author Share #46 Posted October 3, 2010 Guess this means they will not be able to compete with a TTC order in 2012 then if TTC still looks to order Artics and also Will miss most of the MTA order for new artics in the 2010-2014 orders Yeah, I'm pretty sure the next 300-400 artics will be from Nova. We may not ever get any from Orion until the 2015-2019 range. But who knows. It's definitely too early to tell at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takuma Ishizeki Posted February 2, 2011 Share #47 Posted February 2, 2011 Orion VIII, huh? As I posted earlier, I would love to see that on M14A, but I don't think that is going to happen as of the beginning of production in 2014 or so. But if MTA did order them, I think they will be placed on M86, M101, M102, and M103 (100th St Depot) first, as M101, M102, and M103 are the only radial routes in Manhattan besides M15 that use articulated buses. Now if those are not going to be for BRT service, the center and rear doors should be the passenger-operated swing out doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share #48 Posted February 3, 2011 Orion VIII, huh? As I posted earlier, I would love to see that on M14A, but I don't think that is going to happen as of the beginning of production in 2014 or so. But if MTA did order them, I think they will be placed on M86, M101, M102, and M103 (100th St Depot) first, as M101, M102, and M103 are the only radial routes in Manhattan besides M15 that use articulated buses. Now if those are not going to be for BRT service, the center and rear doors should be the passenger-operated swing out doors. I have a feeling we could see New Flyer XC60's before the O8 is even launched. The program is now 2 1/2 years behind schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share #49 Posted September 13, 2011 Today I received an update on the Orion Articulated project. The bus has been re-designated the Orion IX. A full update is coming as soon as I get time to post it. I will try to have it done by this weekend. Stay tuned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N-Trizzy2609 Posted September 14, 2011 Share #50 Posted September 14, 2011 Interesting info so far. I'm loving the sound of this and I'm a New Flyer fanatic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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