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48 minutes ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

 

There is no need for NYC residents to (further) subsidize the suburbs.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth. On the one hand, we have too much service in the City that isn’t being used enough, and on the other when proposals are made to better utilize those services, you turn around and complain about that too. Believe me, I’m no fan of Westchester, but this plan could provide more ridership with a minimum cost incurred, so I think it would be worth looking at. It could provide Woodlawn with faster service not having to sit through stops along the Concourse, and the areas along the Concourse could also have faster and more reliable service, as an would have fewer stops there. The first two stops would remain, and then I would eliminate roughly two stops or space the next stops out more until you reach Fordham Road. The entire concourse should be no more than 15-20 minutes and then onto Manhattan.

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On 8/28/2018 at 1:39 AM, 78 via Stew Leonards said:

HERE IS A MAJOR EXPRESS BUS PROPOSAL FOR YONKERS ROUTES BXM1, BXM2, BXM3, AND BXM4

BxM1/2: They are truncated to 246th St and exclusively serve South Riverdale where most of their ridership comes from.

BxM3: Sedgwick Ave service is cut out, and goes straight to Broadway, then Mosholu Ave, 254th St, and Riverdale Ave all the way to Getty Sq.

BxM4: Redirected from the Concourse to the Deegan, then serves Sedgwick Ave, gets back on the Deegan at Van Cortlandt and shoots up to Woodlawn. Use the (B)(D) for the Concourse.

BxM1/2: Riders north of 246 St have less service north of 254 and it'll only goes to 5th av (Bxm3/18). The BxM3 might take about same amount of time to hit the Deegan  as the current BxM1 via 236/Riverdale does. If the BxM1/2 start at 246/HHP, I feel like all service would end up via Spuyten Duyvil. They'd cut those AM via Riverdale Av runs and justify it by saying they won't fill up on 5 stops/were there to speed up the rides of North Riverdale riders).

BxM3: Broadway will have no service (north of Mosholu) and will probably lose service once MTA sees it not carrying. The new BxM4 will be late after getting stuck on the Deegan between 233-VCP and could have Sedgwick riders standing in the AM. Woodlawn would love this though, it's the only way they'd have a chance at <30 min headways.

BxM4: riders on the Concourse/Norwood willingly pay 6.50 for the route with the shortest express section and this forces them to the (4) if they want the East Side. I wonder if putting the stops on the main road would speed it up...

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1 hour ago, Q43 Floral Park said:

BxM1/2: Riders north of 246 St have less service north of 254 and it'll only goes to 5th av (Bxm3/18). The BxM3 might take about same amount of time to hit the Deegan  as the current BxM1 via 236/Riverdale does. If the BxM1/2 start at 246/HHP, I feel like all service would end up via Spuyten Duyvil. They'd cut those AM via Riverdale Av runs and justify it by saying they won't fill up on 5 stops/were there to speed up the rides of North Riverdale riders).

BxM3: Broadway will have no service (north of Mosholu) and will probably lose service once MTA sees it not carrying. The new BxM4 will be late after getting stuck on the Deegan between 233-VCP and could have Sedgwick riders standing in the AM. Woodlawn would love this though, it's the only way they'd have a chance at <30 min headways.

BxM4: riders on the Concourse/Norwood willingly pay 6.50 for the route with the shortest express section and this forces them to the (4) if they want the East Side. I wonder if putting the stops on the main road would speed it up...

This is one reason I don't like this plan because I live close to Fieldston and greatly benefit from those Super Express trips via Riverdale Avenue. Going through Spuyten Duyvil can mean an extra 10-15 minutes at times.

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3 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

Again, that's if the (MTA) wants to really have a dog fight with Westchester and Liberty lines. My thing is that (MTA) has MNRR services out in Westchester. Why not have the BxM4 extend to CCSC, get customers from Bronxville, Fleetwood Stations, Casino/Raceway. Hit down the thruway into Manhattan.  All for $6.50.

I sometimes wish the city express buses (including The Bronx) would either be owned by a separate company, or by several small companies (sorta like the old PBLs). That way, express bus service wouldn't be so much of an afterthought, and see better service. Don't like the idea of privatization of service, though. Usually, even if service would be increased and whatnot, there would be some sort of trade-off (like using transit buses or maintenance).

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2 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

You talk out of both sides of your mouth. On the one hand, we have too much service in the City that isn’t being used enough, and on the other when proposals are made to better utilize those services, you turn around and complain about that too. Believe me, I’m no fan of Westchester, but this plan could provide more ridership with a minimum cost incurred, so I think it would be worth looking at. It could provide Woodlawn with faster service not having to sit through stops along the Concourse, and the areas along the Concourse could also have faster and more reliable service, as an would have fewer stops there. The first two stops would remain, and then I would eliminate roughly two stops or space the next stops out more until you reach Fordham Road. The entire concourse should be no more than 15-20 minutes and then onto Manhattan.

Between those South Bronx stops and Fordham Road, the only one that I would keep as is is the Mount Eden Parkway stop. The Tremont and Burnside Avenue stops can be consolidated. 

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9 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

Between those South Bronx stops and Fordham Road, the only one that I would keep as is is the Mount Eden Parkway stop. The Tremont and Burnside Avenue stops can be consolidated. 

Agreed. The only negative is that the Concourse is so damn long that you don't want people complaining about not being able to get the express bus. At the same time what annoys me about the people down there is they all act like $6.50 for the express bus is some sort of astronomical expense. You hear them in Spanish talking about oh esa guagua va pa' Midtown y cuesta seis cincuenta. ¿Ay seis cincuenta? lol

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42 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

I sometimes wish the city express buses (including The Bronx) would either be owned by a separate company, or by several small companies (sorta like the old PBLs). That way, express bus service wouldn't be so much of an afterthought, and see better service. Don't like the idea of privatization of service, though. Usually, even if service would be increased and whatnot, there would be some sort of trade-off (like using transit buses or maintenance).

Liberty Lines Express was the best of all the PBL express services. Those MCI classics were speeding bullets on the deegan, and service was mostly on time.

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On 8/29/2018 at 12:24 PM, Future ENY OP said:

IMO. I don’t think we will ever have any good (MTA) regional transportation while Liberty Bus- Westchester, TOR Rockland, Dutchess County Transit and Orange County are all in business.  Some (MTA) bus service could solve the problems up north.   

This agency can't even competently & satisfactorily operate its buses in the current service area they run in.... That's why I found it funny as hell back when there were mentions of MTA running in Suffolk County.....

1 hour ago, Axis said:

If Bee-Line wouldn't want MTA extending the BxM4 into Southern Westchester, then they better hustle & bring back the *real* BxM4C. Not keep this shadow of it's former self. 

Bee-Line has nothing to worry about with that one! They're content with running buses b/w White Plains & the Flatiron district for $7.50 a pop.... Those changes were done to appease AM/PM peak commuters who got fed up with people taking "their buses" as an alternate to the RR to get to/from downtown White Plains.... That cutback from the Transcenter (which happened before they cut as much service as they ended up doing) immediately made the BxM4c less attractive to a lot of people that used to utilize the route....

As much as I'd like for the "real" BxM4c to be reverted also, I can't see it happening....

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9 hours ago, 78 via Stew Leonards said:

Liberty Lines Express was the best of all the PBL express services. Those MCI classics were speeding bullets on the deegan, and service was mostly on time.

God, we have some of the WORST drivers now on the Riverdale lines.  Can't stand it. They drive like f-ing old ladies. I had to get off of the damn bus this morning and take the subway because we were stuck at 86th street. Took the guy almost an hour to get from 230th and Broadway to 96th and Lex.  

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On 7/30/2018 at 10:32 PM, Mtatransit said:

I would rather have the Q44 stay the way it currently is for reliability reasons. It preserves the Queens-Bronx connection, and people needing further connection should transfer to the subway or other buses in the Bronx. Staying on the Cross Bronx, ensures that the route doesn't suffer from further reliability issues

Talk about the Bronx, I recently rode the Bx46 bus, I don't understand why the MTA still have 2 buses running on this route. It is completely dead, and the areas it serve seems to have no hope of ever generating meaningful ridership

The Bx46 was advocated by the local community to provide another way to get to the Hunts Point Food Distribution Center and Barreto Point Park/Floating Pool without having to walk a great distance  from the Bx6 (to Barreto Point Park and the Floating Pool) and connects workers to the 2 & 5 trains directly as the Bx6 bus does not necessarily do that. It used to be the Barreto Point Park shuttle before the MTA shut it down in 2010. 

The biggest problem with the Bx46 is that not many people in the area that work within the Peninsula know it exists and if they do it is so infrequent they don't bother. What I would do is convert the Bx19 to SBS, then have a local variant (Bx46) go from Riverbank park to the Food Distribution Center via 145th St/149th St, go up Prospect to the 2/5 train station then head down Longwood to Hunts Point along it's regular route. I am still annoyed the Bx6 got SBS service instead of the Bx19 because that good lord that route is slower than molasses.

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1 hour ago, ThatGuy said:

The Bx46 was advocated by the local community to provide another way to get to the Hunts Point Food Distribution Center and Barreto Point Park/Floating Pool without having to walk a great distance  from the Bx6 (to Barreto Point Park and the Floating Pool) and connects workers to the 2 & 5 trains directly as the Bx6 bus does not necessarily do that. It used to be the Barreto Point Park shuttle before the MTA shut it down in 2010. 

The biggest problem with the Bx46 is that not many people in the area that work within the Peninsula know it exists and if they do it is so infrequent they don't bother. What I would do is convert the Bx19 to SBS, then have a local variant (Bx46) go from Riverbank park to the Food Distribution Center via 145th St/149th St, go up Prospect to the 2/5 train station then head down Longwood to Hunts Point along it's regular route. I am still annoyed the Bx6 got SBS service instead of the Bx19 because that good lord that route is slower than molasses.

I don't understand something. How can you say that the community "advocated" for the Bx46 and yet so many people don't know about it? Who advocated for it specifically? Elected officials?  It seems pointless to ask for a service to be implemented and not inform residents about it... 

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2 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

I don't understand something. How can you say that the community "advocated" for the Bx46 and yet so many people don't know about it? Who advocated for it specifically? Elected officials?  It seems pointless to ask for a service to be implemented and not inform residents about it... 

The local communty board and community organizationns advocated for the returns of the Bx46. It was more for the MTA to bring back the Barretto Point Park shuttle. Also, there is a large event venue several blocks east of the Park. They implimented the Bx46 but only 2 buses per hour is too infrequent for frequent use. You would be surprised how many people would not know a new route exist even if they live there. 

 

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2 minutes ago, ThatGuy said:

The local communty board and community organizationns advocated for the returns of the Bx46. It was more for the MTA to bring back the Barretto Point Park shuttle. Also, there is a large event venue several blocks east of the Park. They implimented the Bx46 but only 2 buses per hour is too infrequent for frequent use. You would be surprised how many people would not know a new route exist even if they live there. 

 

Well that's on the community board and the community organizations to do outreach.  They did all of that to get the service and now they don't get out and let people know about the service. It's almost a waste because if people don't know about it, they can't use it, and thus the frequencies won't increase to make the line more attractive.

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11 hours ago, ThatGuy said:

The Bx46 was advocated by the local community to provide another way to get to the Hunts Point Food Distribution Center and Barreto Point Park/Floating Pool without having to walk a great distance  from the Bx6 (to Barreto Point Park and the Floating Pool) and connects workers to the 2 & 5 trains directly as the Bx6 bus does not necessarily do that. It used to be the Barreto Point Park shuttle before the MTA shut it down in 2010. 

The biggest problem with the Bx46 is that not many people in the area that work within the Peninsula know it exists and if they do it is so infrequent they don't bother. What I would do is convert the Bx19 to SBS, then have a local variant (Bx46) go from Riverbank park to the Food Distribution Center via 145th St/149th St, go up Prospect to the 2/5 train station then head down Longwood to Hunts Point along it's regular route. I am still annoyed the Bx6 got SBS service instead of the Bx19 because that good lord that route is slower than molasses.

The Bx19 is closer to subway lines than the Bx6 for most of its route so that's likely why the Bx6 received it first even though the Bx19 is slower.

7 hours ago, ThatGuy said:

The local communty board and community organizationns advocated for the returns of the Bx46. It was more for the MTA to bring back the Barretto Point Park shuttle. Also, there is a large event venue several blocks east of the Park. They implimented the Bx46 but only 2 buses per hour is too infrequent for frequent use. You would be surprised how many people would not know a new route exist even if they live there. 

The problem is that it's just a little shuttle. If it was a branch of the Bx6, or even the Bx19 or something, it would likely get more riders because it connects to more places.

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11 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Well that's on the community board and the community organizations to do outreach.  They did all of that to get the service and now they don't get out and let people know about the service. It's almost a waste because if people don't know about it, they can't use it, and thus the frequencies won't increase to make the line more attractive.

Both the community leaders and the MTA should had did a better job letting people know about the bx46 With more posters and flyers in neighborhoods and in stores and sending letters in the mail about the new bx46 route and it’s benefits 

 

also so they should extend the bx46 either to  The Hub - 149st , Mott haven or even Manhattan to give folks better options to get to Barreto Point Park and Hunts point 

 

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Just now, Gotham Bus Co. said:

 

Maybe at first, but I expect that the whole NYC Ferry system will eventually become the MTA Boat Company.

It all depends on how loud people yell.  I've been to most of them for work.  The people in the Rockaways were the most vocal, so they had a shuttle bus. This one guy showed up in Queens, in the Bronx. I'm like this guy is everywhere! lol

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4 hours ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

The NYC Economic Development Corporation plans to expand NYC Ferry service to Ferry Point Park. What bus service should be created or rerouted? 

Ferry point park is in Throgs Neck. The bx42 goes there so if the MTA wants to extend or create a bus route to the new ferry they should reroute or extend the bx42 

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1 hour ago, Melbx15 said:

Ferry point park is in Throgs Neck. The bx42 goes there so if the MTA wants to extend or create a bus route to the new ferry they should reroute or extend the bx42 

Problem is the park is isolated from Throgs Neck proper. No way to extend the 42 there. They should've made it closer to Locust Point where it's more residential.

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8 hours ago, Melbx15 said:

Ferry point park is in Throgs Neck. The bx42 goes there so if the MTA wants to extend or create a bus route to the new ferry they should reroute or extend the bx42 

The Bx42 is on the east side of the park. The ferry dock is on the west side of the park. The Trump Links golf course is in the way. The only road access to the dock is by using the Hutch service road from Lafayette Avenue. 

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5 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

I could maybe see an extension of the Bx31 to Ferry Point Park, via Zerega. Would also make it easier for those people shopping at Throggs Neck Shopping Center instead of Bay Plaza. That's likely being too optimistic though.

 

I could also see a variant of the Q50 (Bx51?) ending at the dock.

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I wonder where "That guy" went :lol:

Anyway:

17 hours ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

The NYC Economic Development Corporation plans to expand NYC Ferry service to Ferry Point Park. What bus service should be created or rerouted? 

I personally wouldn't reroute an MTA service, but I'd suggest a NYC Ferry shuttle service, basically doing this.....

11 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

I could maybe see an extension of the Bx31 to Ferry Point Park, via Zerega. Would also make it easier for those people shopping at Throggs Neck Shopping Center instead of Bay Plaza. That's likely being too optimistic though.

If the MTA were to choose a current service to run to that new ferry stop, I'd also say the Bx31 would be it (however often it would be)..... There's been talks of sending that route southward (albeit to Castle Hill/Zerega) for quite some time now... Obviously it never went through... Lol.

 

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