Juelz4309 Posted February 21, 2014 Share #1 Posted February 21, 2014 So I Saw this on the Board This Evening And Found this G.O Intresting to say the least...So It seems the 2 will Switch at chambers...Then switch to the Inner loop At SF then Head Up to Wall Switch To the BK side Then REVERSE cabs And Head to Bk??? Wow What Warrants such A setup??? If it wasnt so late I wud wanna Ride this lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted February 21, 2014 Share #2 Posted February 21, 2014 From what I was told in another thread months back, the reason for this set up is so the night-time doesn't have to run down 7th Avenue. Another reason is so that the doesn't have to be split into two sections. In short, 7th Avenue riders still have direct Manhattan-Brooklyn service without the need to transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl94 Posted February 21, 2014 Share #3 Posted February 21, 2014 Is the trying to copy the PATH setup at Hoboken? Wouldn't it have made more sense to make the a local down to Rector and have the downtown run on the Lex? If everything is on schedule, there won't be an issue, but one little delay at a station and lower Manhattan would be the location of the newest subway yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted February 21, 2014 Share #4 Posted February 21, 2014 Did it last night going home from work... Makes all local stops to Chambers St, then runs non-stop past South Ferry outer loop, switches over to the Lex loop outside the loop, runs north past Bowling Green (doesn't stop) and stops at Wall on the uptown platform. There's a crew change, then it makes all stops to Flatbush Av from there. Sign says this... TO FLATBUSH AV 7 AV EXP (makes local stops tho) VIA BOWLING GREEN EASTERN PKWY LCL Announcement is... "This is a Brooklyn bound express train via Bowling Green" "This is a Brooklyn bound train" (at Wall St & Bowling Green, lady from the says the station name) ...got a video on my YouTube channel of it at South Ferry, can't post it from my phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted February 21, 2014 Share #5 Posted February 21, 2014 Now THATS a detour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted February 21, 2014 Share #6 Posted February 21, 2014 Wasn't this done before? Could have sworn I saw a post on this some time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted February 21, 2014 Share #7 Posted February 21, 2014 Multiple times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted February 21, 2014 Share #8 Posted February 21, 2014 Working on the Clark St. tube S/B. Allows them to keep the 2 on 7th Ave (and avoid the messy northern terminal swap GOs they used to do when new South Ferry was open which confused/annoyed the heck out of northern Bronx riders) and still send it to Brooklyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TeeLow Posted February 23, 2014 Share #10 Posted February 23, 2014 Did it last night going home from work... Makes all local stops to Chambers St, then runs non-stop past South Ferry outer loop, switches over to the Lex loop outside the loop, runs north past Bowling Green (doesn't stop) and stops at Wall on the uptown platform. There's a crew change, then it makes all stops to Flatbush Av from there. Sign says this... TO FLATBUSH AV 7 AV EXP (makes local stops tho) VIA BOWLING GREEN EASTERN PKWY LCL Announcement is... "This is a Brooklyn bound express train via Bowling Green" "This is a Brooklyn bound train" (at Wall St & Bowling Green, lady from the says the station name) ...got a video on my YouTube channel of it at South Ferry, can't post it from my phone I remember when the did a similar type of detour (though not as convoluted as the ) many years ago. The went to Essex Street, terminated on the center track without opening the doors, changed ends, went back to 6th Ave and resumed its regular run to 205. The last/first two cars were past the station Now THATS a detour... Sho nuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted February 23, 2014 Share #11 Posted February 23, 2014 I remember when the did a similar type of detour (though not as convoluted as the ) many years ago. The went to Essex Street, terminated on the center track without opening the doors, changed ends, went back to 6th Ave and resumed its regular run to 205. The last/first two cars were past the station That was one of the early Manhattan Bridge reroutes of the early '80s, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeLow Posted February 24, 2014 Share #12 Posted February 24, 2014 That was one of the early Manhattan Bridge reroutes of the early '80s, right? No. It was a temporary thing. It lasted for a couple hours. As I recall it was over before the evening rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted February 24, 2014 Share #13 Posted February 24, 2014 So were R68s used in that D reroute via Nassau St? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted February 24, 2014 Share #14 Posted February 24, 2014 That was basically 60's-early 80's. When the bridge shutdowns became longer and longer in duration, then the pattern became the "split" service with one half on Bway. '83 or '84 is probably when they did the Essex routing last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted February 25, 2014 Share #15 Posted February 25, 2014 So were R68s used in that D reroute via Nassau St? used R40M/R42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeLow Posted February 25, 2014 Share #16 Posted February 25, 2014 So were R68s used in that D reroute via Nassau St? I did the run expecting to go to CI. The was running on the Brighton. Was gonna change at Sheepshead Bay for the local. Instead we were shunted to Essex St. That train had a 10 car R42 set. I rode back to Lafayette, crossed over and rode to Essex and back on a 10 car R32 set. The didn't run via Nassau St. It ran the same way the runs on weekdays btn Essex & Lafayette Sts. It wasn't permanent. Only lasted 3-4 hours max. That was basically 60's-early 80's. When the bridge shutdowns became longer and longer in duration, then the pattern became the "split" service with one half on Bway. '83 or '84 is probably when they did the Essex routing last. The Essex reroute was years before the split service when the ran btn Grand St & 57th St and the & ran on Broadway with a split from the Bronx terminating at Herald Sq. I can't remember the exact year but it was before the R40s got their gates so it was probably 1975 or 76 give or take a year. Can't remember if the (teal) or the QJ was Brighton Local. This was before the 1982 reroute; we didn't go on the Willy B and then reversed to go thru the tunnel to Dekalb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted February 25, 2014 Share #17 Posted February 25, 2014 So can 75 footers enter the Nassau St cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted February 25, 2014 Share #18 Posted February 25, 2014 So can 75 footers enter the Nassau St cut? Probably not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted February 26, 2014 Share #19 Posted February 26, 2014 I did the run expecting to go to CI. The was running on the Brighton. Was gonna change at Sheepshead Bay for the local. Instead we were shunted to Essex St. That train had a 10 car R42 set. I rode back to Lafayette, crossed over and rode to Essex and back on a 10 car R32 set. The didn't run via Nassau St. It ran the same way the runs on weekdays btn Essex & Lafayette Sts. It wasn't permanent. Only lasted 3-4 hours max. The Essex reroute was years before the split service when the ran btn Grand St & 57th St and the & ran on Broadway with a split from the Bronx terminating at Herald Sq. I can't remember the exact year but it was before the R40s got their gates so it was probably 1975 or 76 give or take a year. Can't remember if the (teal) or the QJ was Brighton Local. This was before the 1982 reroute; we didn't go on the Willy B and then reversed to go thru the tunnel to Dekalb. 1982 was the first ever split route, because it was on a weekday, and was I think more than a day, so they couldn't do Essex. However, they did continue to use the Essex maneuver for on the spot reroutes (I was on a s/b train that went that way that November, and I heard about it happening that way for another year or two after that). By the time the 68's came, they were already in the 2+ year split route shutdown, and they probably never did it again after that. There are signs banning 75 foot cars from both ends of Nassau, but I did see one in the middle of Chambers for a movie shoot, around '97. So they could go in there with special permit, I guess. They did program the D via Essex route into the R44/46 side sign codes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted February 26, 2014 Share #20 Posted February 26, 2014 Could this picture be part of that specific timeperiod? Credit to David Pirmann: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted February 26, 2014 Share #21 Posted February 26, 2014 Anytime between '67 and '83-4. Obviously, that picture is from the beginning of that period, as the 32's still look new with original signs. According to the ERA Bulletin, the first scheduled weekend reroute was in 1969, and the D was sent this way, while the B went to 57/7 (And you often see pictures of the R11 with the #3 sign, running in that service). So this picture may well be from that reroute. Could this picture be part of that specific timeperiod? Credit to David Pirmann: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeLow Posted February 26, 2014 Share #22 Posted February 26, 2014 Could this picture be part of that specific timeperiod? Credit to David Pirmann: The one (actually two) I was on couldn't open their doors because the train had 10 cars and stuck out past the station. When the T/O discharged his brakes, locked his cab and moved to what was now the front car I was right behind him. I remember looking out the windows at faces of the people on the plat and the passengers on the train. Lots of strange looks. When the T/O hit the first car we were in the tunnel. It was before 1982 as I stated previously. Probably 75 or 76. Nice pic though! 1982 was the first ever split route, because it was on a weekday, and was I think more than a day, so they couldn't do Essex. However, they did continue to use the Essex maneuver for on the spot reroutes (I was on a s/b train that went that way that November, and I heard about it happening that way for another year or two after that). I apologize for the confusion. When I said Essex Reroute I was referring to the ride I took, not the actual split run on the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted February 26, 2014 Share #23 Posted February 26, 2014 I remember them also not being able to open up (and the first time I had been on one of these moves was a weekend trip from Newkirk to F ordham, also probably in the '75-76 time frame. I had my father take me to the front, as usual, but no we ended up in the back, and he wasn't going to move back to the front. I used to like to look out the back sometimes anyway). With the current layout, if they extended the platform on J1 and reverse signaled it, a southbound 10 car train could come in, open up and then wrong rail to Canal and cross over to continue to the Montague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeLow Posted February 27, 2014 Share #24 Posted February 27, 2014 I remember them also not being able to open up (and the first time I had been on one of these moves was a weekend trip from Newkirk to F ordham, also probably in the '75-76 time frame. I had my father take me to the front, as usual, but no we ended up in the back, and he wasn't going to move back to the front. I used to like to look out the back sometimes anyway). With the current layout, if they extended the platform on J1 and reverse signaled it, a southbound 10 car train could come in, open up and then wrong rail to Canal and cross over to continue to the Montague. Man that would be a whole lotta switching. The only choke point would be where J1 & 4 meet w/o Canal St. Serious backups if a train stalled along that section. Did it last night going home from work... Makes all local stops to Chambers St, then runs non-stop past South Ferry outer loop, switches over to the Lex loop outside the loop, runs north past Bowling Green (doesn't stop) and stops at Wall on the uptown platform. There's a crew change, then it makes all stops to Flatbush Av from there. Sign says this... TO FLATBUSH AV 7 AV EXP (makes local stops tho) VIA BOWLING GREEN EASTERN PKWY LCL Announcement is... "This is a Brooklyn bound express train via Bowling Green" "This is a Brooklyn bound train" (at Wall St & Bowling Green, lady from the says the station name) ...got a video on my YouTube channel of it at South Ferry, can't post it from my phone Seriously though this would be a thrill. Sorry I missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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