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The MTA has awarded a base contract for 33 R188's for the Flushing (7) line. The order includes 23 standard R188's, and 10 converted R142A's. The contract total is more than $87 Million.

 

Kawasaki will convert the cab (A cars) within it's Yonkers facility. The B cars will be converted jointly with the MTA, at the 207th Street Overhaul Shop.

 

R142(46 eleven car set inserts) - The R142A is a 10 car train set. Therefore the 11th car will be added to each set to make a converted R188 or R142C. The first conversion set is to be completed by this time next year.

 

R188(10 eleven car sets) - Delivery is slated for the 4th quarter of 2012. These 23 cars, will make up 2 new 11 car trains. The 23rd car will be inserted with a converted R142A.

 

MTA also holds options for an additional 473 cars. (123 new cars, and 350 R142A converted cars.) The option contract is already set to be awarded, as previously mentioned in another thread.

 

Today, the MTA Board approved an expedited change order procedure. I'm not sure what the technical details were. The order will go to Kawasaki for all 506 cars. Delivery of these cars, including options that will be exercised will, run through 2015:cool:

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yes! Cant wait for it to happen. I was expecting the R142's & R188's to combine as is being R142A 5 cars - R188 middle car - R142A 5 cars to make an 11 car set.

 

Now a message to everyone: get your RFW shots of the (7)<7> before theres no more RFW!

 

so next year at this time. Its going to fly by so quickly...

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Yea but now its time for the big question :D

 

What is the fate of the R62As on the (7)? When will that be confirmed?

 

I think a few R62A's are going to stay on the (7)<7>. most of them will go to the (6)<6> (hopefully b/c the LEDs on those cars would be a big help). I thought that R62A (1) train using cars from the (7)<7> was staying there. I guess no R62A's from the (7) are going to the (1).

 

Dont know when it will be confirmed. well just have to wait and see what the (MTA) says.

 

:tup:R142A's to the (7)<7> :tdown:no more RFW.

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NYCTF Exclusive!

 

The MTA has already awarded a base contract for 33 R188's for the Flushing (7) line. The order includes 23 standard R188's, and 10 converted R142A's. The contract total is more than $87 Million.

 

Kawasaki will convert the cab (A cars) within it's Yonkers facility. The B cars will be converted jointly with the MTA, at the 207th Street Overhaul Shop.

 

R142(46 eleven car set inserts) - The R142A is a 10 car train set. Therefore the 11th car will be added to each set to make a converted R188 or R142C.

 

R188(10 eleven car sets) - Delivery is slated for the 4th quarter of 2011. These 23 cars, will make up 2 new 11 car trains. The 23rd car will be inserted with a converted R142A.

 

MTA also holds options for an additional 473 cars. (123 new cars, and 350 R142A converted cars.) The option contract is already set to be awarded, as previously mentioned in another thread.

 

Today, the MTA Board approved an expedited change order procedure. I'm not sure what the technical details were. The order will go to Kawasaki for all 506 cars. Delivery of the first train set, which will be converted, is scheduled for completion by this time next year. The first brand new R188 set is expected to arrive about a year later in 2012. Delivery of these cars, including options that will be exercised will, run through 2015:cool:

 

I won't pretend to be a subway buff because I'm not, so here's what I don't get...

 

Why do they even need to convert R142s to begin with? I know why (because of 10 car vs 11 car issue), but what I'm getting at is aren't they going to be taking R142s from the 4 5 6 lines? I mean converting those cars wouldn't create any sort of shortage on the busiest line in the subway system?

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Yea but now its time for the big question :D

 

What is the fate of the R62As on the (7)? When will that be confirmed?

 

They will slowly be displaced as the entire R188/R142C order will go to the (7) line. I dont have a clue as to what line the 62's will go to. I'm still learning which lines use what trains!

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I think a few R62A's are going to stay on the (7)<7>. most of them will go to the (6)<6> (hopefully b/c the LEDs on those cars would be a big help). I thought that R62A (1) train using cars from the (7)<7> was staying there. I guess no R62A's from the (7) are going to the (1).

 

Dont know when it will be confirmed. well just have to wait and see what the (MTA) says.

 

:tup:R142A's to the (7)<7> :tdown:no more RFW.

 

Why would they put R62s on the 6 line when my understanding was that they were planning on putting a high tech signal system in place along the 4 5 6 line so that they could add more trains thus reducing crowding?

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Why would they put R62s on the 6 line when my understanding was that they were planning on putting a high tech signal system in place along the 4 5 6 line so that they could add more trains thus reducing crowding?

 

The 4/5/6 already has ATS. Actually ATS is a problem within it self because when it screws up the whole Lex becomes a log jam. If they put R62As back on the (6) ATS will still work.

 

Reduced crowing on the Lex 4/5/6 is something you will never see as long as the Second Av Subway is never built.

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The 4/5/6 already has ATS. Actually ATS is a problem within it self because when it screws up the whole Lex becomes a log jam. If they put R62As back on the (6) ATS will still work.

 

 

Is ATS part of the reason that the local 6 train is often quicker than the 4 and 5 express? I mean sometimes they say there's train traffic and I'm thinking that isn't possible because I've been waiting a good bit for a train (considering it's the 4 5 6 line) so how could there be train traffic ahead?

 

Reduced crowing on the Lex 4/5/6 is something you will never see as long as the Second Av Subway is never built.[/QUOTE]

 

I won't debate that at all... This is what I heard from the MTA and why they implemented ATS with the goal of reducing crowding since you could squeeze more trains in on those lines and have less spacing between the trains.

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If the R62As go on the (6), i can't imagine how the Lex riders will feel that there is no NTT on the Pelham Train.

 

I think a few R62A's are going to stay on the (7)<7>. most of them will go to the (6)<6> (hopefully b/c the LEDs on those cars would be a big help). I thought that R62A (1) train using cars from the (7)<7> was staying there. I guess no R62A's from the (7) are going to the (1).

 

Dont know when it will be confirmed. well just have to wait and see what the (MTA) says.

 

:tup:R142A's to the (7)<7> :tdown:no more RFW.

 

RFW has nothing to do with providing service to the passengers. So where if it goes, it goes..

 

And you don't know where the R62As are going, its still too early.

 

It could go on the (6) but I'm wondering if the (6) riders wouldn't mind.

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I won't pretend to be a subway buff because I'm not, so here's what I don't get...

 

Why do they even need to convert R142s to begin with? I know why (because of 10 car vs 11 car issue), but what I'm getting at is aren't they going to be taking R142s from the 4 5 6 lines? I mean converting those cars wouldn't create any sort of shortage on the busiest line in the subway system?

 

They're going to be taking the R142As from the 6, adding one car, and adding a CBTC system onto it.

 

Why would they put R62s on the 6 line when my understanding was that they were planning on putting a high tech signal system in place along the 4 5 6 line so that they could add more trains thus reducing crowding?

 

The signal system is not reliant on any on-board train system, so it will still work.

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The 4/5/6 already has ATS. Actually ATS is a problem within it self because when it screws up the whole Lex becomes a log jam. If they put R62As back on the (6) ATS will still work.

 

 

Is ATS part of the reason that the local 6 train is often quicker than the 4 and 5 express? I mean sometimes they say there's train traffic and I'm thinking that isn't possible because I've been waiting a good bit for a train (considering it's the 4 5 6 line) so how could there be train traffic ahead?

 

Reduced crowing on the Lex 4/5/6 is something you will never see as long as the Second Av Subway is never built.[/QUOTE]

 

I won't debate that at all... This is what I heard from the MTA and why they implemented ATS with the goal of reducing crowding since you could squeeze more trains in on those lines and have less spacing between the trains.

 

The 6 has always been quicker then the 4/5 imo. The 4/5 have to deal with each other at the Rogers Av Junction where 5s split off to Flatbush, and also when 5s terminate at Bowling Green when 5s have to dump and then rejoin on the northbound side. Then again after 149th Street where 5s join the Lex into 138 Street and into 149th Street lower level. The 4/5 are frequent lines and all it take is for someone to hold a door and you have a problem. There isnt much room for error on the Lex Express even with ATS. When ATS has a problem the Lex turns into a nightmare, which is why I think it was better with the old signal system.

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Like it or not, I still think the most likely destination for the displaced R62As from the (7) will be the (6). [they're not going to the (2)(5) because of Flatbush and at times 180th.]

This has nothing to do with the 'politics' of the UES. If those riders don't like to ride the old cars, then they can take the bus to the West side or try their luck with the taxies. They should be fortunate to have anything serving them.

 

Now what I still wonder is if they will link those single R62A cars into 5-car sets. Then again at least maybe there will be rfws again on the Pelham line.

 

Unrelated: I still think the MTA should think about using 60' IRT cars [as long as the R143/R160s but narrow like the R142s]. Why go thru this hassle over the 11th car? I mean is Steinway that much of a problem that cars can't be longer than 51' long?

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Yea but now its time for the big question :D

 

What is the fate of the R62As on the (7)? When will that be confirmed?

 

Id imagine the R62As will return to the (6) and (4) since those are where the R142A's are.

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Like it or not, I still think the most likely destination for the displaced R62As from the (7) will be the (6). [they're not going to the (2)(5) because of Flatbush and at times 180th.]

This has nothing to do with the 'politics' of the UES. If those riders don't like to ride the old cars, then they can take the bus to the West side or try their luck with the taxies. They should be fortunate to have anything serving them.

 

Now what I still wonder is if they will link those single R62A cars into 5-car sets. Then again at least maybe there will be rfws again on the Pelham line.

 

Unrelated: I still think the MTA should think about using 60' IRT cars [as long as the R143/R160s but narrow like the R142s]. Why go thru this hassle over the 11th car? I mean is Steinway that much of a problem that cars can't be longer than 51' long?

 

Theres always the option of taking the M15 SBS,

It think it would be better to have all cars be 51' instead of 51' & 60'. It creates less of a hassle, if they to have a Corona train running on the other IR lines (IE the Corona set running on the (1)) Also to avoid the problem with the BMT/IND 60' & 75'

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I wonder what the new 188 sets will sound like, will it be the

 

"whoooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" that the 142A and 143 have or the

 

"ahhhhhhhhhh eeeeeeeeeeee iiiiiiiiiiiiii eeeeeeeeeeeeee" the 142 and 160 have :D

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I wonder what the new 188 sets will sound like, will it be the

 

"whoooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" that the 142A and 143 have or the

 

"ahhhhhhhhhh eeeeeeeeeeee iiiiiiiiiiiiii eeeeeeeeeeeeee" the 142 and 160 have :D

 

Well I'm guessing since it's the 142As being modified, all of them will have the first option you listed.

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Well I'm guessing since it's the 142As being modified, all of them will have the first option you listed.

 

Do you think the 188's will have the same sound too then?

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Do you think the 188's will have the same sound too then?

 

Probably. If they want compatibility across the board, they'd better have the same propulsion system. That test 142-142A thing didn't work out so well from what I remember.

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Probably. If they want compatibility across the board, they'd better have the same propulsion system. That test 142-142A thing didn't work out so well from what I remember.
You are correct sir.With the R142A bucking and the R142 slow motors made a recipe for fail.Basically Kawasaki is doing a overhaul project.I know they are going to get back the 142A Back at yonkers and say "What? you again!!!":p

 

My question is.With the R142A being converted at 207th st,will the (MTA) Put a rebuilder plate to replace Kawasaki`s,like they did back during the GOH (1985-1992)?

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You are correct sir.With the R142A bucking and the R142 slow motors made a recipe for fail.Basically Kawasaki is doing a overhaul project.I know they are going to get back the 142A Back at yonkers and say "What? you again!!!":D

Their adult child is coming back for some money :P

 

My question is.With the R142A being converted at 207th st,will the (MTA) Put a rebuilder plate to replace Kawasaki`s,like they did back during the GOH (1985-1992)?

 

THey probably won't bother with the plate. All they have to do is add a few parts.

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Like it or not, I still think the most likely destination for the displaced R62As from the (7) will be the (6). [they're not going to the (2)(5) because of Flatbush and at times 180th.]

This has nothing to do with the 'politics' of the UES. If those riders don't like to ride the old cars, then they can take the bus to the West side or try their luck with the taxies. They should be fortunate to have anything serving them.

 

Now what I still wonder is if they will link those single R62A cars into 5-car sets. Then again at least maybe there will be rfws again on the Pelham line.

 

Unrelated: I still think the MTA should think about using 60' IRT cars [as long as the R143/R160s but narrow like the R142s]. Why go thru this hassle over the 11th car? I mean is Steinway that much of a problem that cars can't be longer than 51' long?

 

Why the need to do all of this shuffling? I mean they spent some cash (maybe not a ton of cash, but still had to spend something) moving those trains over to the 7 line to replace the red birds and now they're going to move them again? Why exactly is it so vital for the 7 line to have these new cars? In other words, aside from the new trains, automated announcements, etc, what other benefits would these trains give 7 train riders?

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Why the need to do all of this shuffling? I mean they spent some cash (maybe not a ton of cash, but still had to spend something) moving those trains over to the 7 line to replace the red birds and now they're going to move them again? Why exactly is it so vital for the 7 line to have these new cars? In other words, aside from the new trains, automated announcements, etc, what other benefits would these trains give 7 train riders?

They're going to be installing a CBTC system on the 7, and these are the cars that can use the system with modification.

 

(CBTC = Communications Based Train Control)

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They're going to be installing a CBTC system on the 7, and these are the cars that can use the system with modification.

 

(CBTC = Communications Based Train Control)

 

And this will allow them to add more trains and have the spaced closer together. Well it would suck to have the R62s go back to the 6 line. I like them, but it's time for those cars to be replaced. Besides I think most passengers agree that the newer cars have far better lighting, climate control and announcements that that are actually audible.

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And this will allow them to add more trains and have the spaced closer together. Well it would suck to have the R62s go back to the 6 line. I like them, but it's time for those cars to be replaced. Besides I think most passengers agree that the newer cars have far better lighting, climate control and announcements that that are actually audible.

 

Precisely. The trains will run closer since they'll be computer controlled. And they would probably go back to the 6 if they take the 6's R142As or the 4 if they use the 4's R142As, or both if they just take some from both lines. They have to replace what they pilfer from the other yards :D

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