Coney Island Av Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7051 Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, NoHacksJustKhaks said: The R142A 6 trains have actually been in service on the line since 2000, that was back when they were still testing the trains. I know, error. Just found out right before you quoted. But this is the end of an era. The R142As made a smooth arrival in 2000, and made their way onto the and lines. However, in 2013, the had to sacrifice most of its R142As in order to make the Flushing line fully NTT. The R142As made their last run on the yesterday April 21, 2018, almost 18 years after it first began service. All that's left now are old, metallic, R62As from the 80's, which all came from the ... The will never be the same ever again. Edited May 23, 2018 by Coney Island Av 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7052 Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) Here's a thought, with the just being R62As, will the MTA restore the reduced runs back on the schedule since they do have enough trains now? ---- Also, before SAS occured, the had 45-46 trains total but now, up to 43. The train total was shortened by 3. Edited May 23, 2018 by Calvin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj Hammers Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7053 Posted May 23, 2018 R142As heading from Westchester Yard to Mosholu Yard for service, taken 15 minutes ago: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7054 Posted May 23, 2018 Don’t worry you will all see R142/As on the again. Just have to wait and see for one specific weekend G.O to occur again. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2fwannabe Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7055 Posted May 23, 2018 On 5/18/2018 at 2:26 PM, Calvin said: 1942 coupled with 1938, 1924, 1926 and 1934 to Westchester Yard (5-car formation) So 1942 and 1934 are the "end" cars, with full-width cabs installed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7056 Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, m2fwannabe said: So 1942 and 1934 are the "end" cars, with full-width cabs installed? Yes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2fwannabe Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7057 Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Calvin said: 1 minute ago, m2fwannabe said: So 1942 and 1934 are the "end" cars, with full-width cabs installed? Yes Thank You! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7058 Posted May 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Calvin said: Once 2081-5/2091-5 are at Westchester for the , 7596-7610 will be at Mosholu for the . 7116-7125 will head back to Unionport. Any status on the 240th yard R62As sets, are those stay on the ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7059 Posted May 23, 2018 25 minutes ago, jon2305 said: Any status on the 240th yard R62As sets, are those stay on the ? They'll probably stay. They're filling in for the R142A loss gap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7060 Posted May 23, 2018 4 hours ago, Coney Island Av said: I know, error. Just found out right before you quoted. But this is the end of an era. The R142As made a smooth arrival in 2000, and made their way onto the and lines. However, in 2013, the had to sacrifice most of its R142As in order to make the Flushing line fully NTT. The R142As made their last run on the yesterday April 21, 2018, almost 18 years after it first began service. All that's left now are old, metallic, R62As from the 80's, which all came from the ... The will never be the same ever again. They actually had numerous teething issues, along with the R142s. Granted, they weren't AS bad (and didn't need that extensive reworking back in 2006-2007), but by no means was the arrival smooth. And while I liked R142As on the as much as the next guy, besides needing them for Flushing, Westchester treats their fleet like garbage anyway. The R62As that came from Corona were actually fine, it's just that time has taken its toll especially being maintained under a different roof. The will be fine and it will be the same in about 10-15 years, when the replacements for the R62/As arrive. Until then, sit tight, and fan the if you MUST see the R142As... 3 hours ago, Calvin said: Here's a thought, with the just being R62As, will the MTA restore the reduced runs back on the schedule since they do have enough trains now? ---- Also, before SAS occured, the had 45-46 trains total but now, up to 43. The train total was shortened by 3. They no longer have an excuse not to. It was very shortsighted (although I kinda understand why from a fleet perspective)--unfortunately it won't be for a few picks if they decide to restore some service. Another idea I had (since the R142As are better from a capacity standpoints with their wider doors and clearer announcements)--why not maintain all R142As out of Mosholu, but have a few sets with maps reserved for rush-hour service? They were doing put-ins before the cuts came about, and certainly the will have those few trains to spare (unless the R142s they're bumping out are to increase service). 1 hour ago, jon2305 said: Any status on the 240th yard R62As sets, are those stay on the ? Calvin already answered, but I'd like to add that the is one of the few lines with a decent (for MTA standards) spare factor. Speaking of which, I know the lone R62 set (containing the Union Square consist) recently got maps, but are there plans to put that set back on the ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7061 Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Bosco said: Calvin already answered, but I'd like to add that the is one of the few lines with a decent (for MTA standards) spare factor. Speaking of which, I know the lone R62 set (containing the Union Square consist) recently got maps, but are there plans to put that set back on the ? That set is staying on the Local portion of 7 Av. line. Adding that set, the has the total trains in general. Edited May 23, 2018 by Calvin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7062 Posted May 23, 2018 Oh boo-hoo-hoo the is now fully NTT what ever will we do? 🤣 So the now has no more R62A's for regular service correct? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayParkwayW Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7063 Posted May 23, 2018 25 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: Oh boo-hoo-hoo the is now fully NTT what ever will we do? 🤣 So the now has no more R62A's for regular service correct? Correct. No regular service sets on the (7) . On a side note, it really pisses me off that 1934 got the full cab. I’ve had fond memories of that car with a half cab facing flushing. They should just make the cabs convertible (even though they sort of are), with the full cabs for the conductor and everything else folded in. Full cabs are such a waste of space! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7064 Posted May 23, 2018 46 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: Oh boo-hoo-hoo the is now fully NTT what ever will we do? 🤣 So the now has no more R62A's for regular service correct? You mean SMEE... but this isn’t good for service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7065 Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, VIP said: You mean SMEE... but this isn’t good for service. Yep sorry, meant SMEE. Anyway, why isn't it good for service? The R62A's survived just fine on the for a good while. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7066 Posted May 23, 2018 40 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: Yep sorry, meant SMEE. Anyway, why isn't it good for service? The R62A's survived just fine on the for a good while. Being on the for so long then back to the demads on the Lexington Avenue local Line is recipe for frequent breakdowns. Although Corona took excellent care of those R62A’s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
officiallyliam Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7067 Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Coney Island Av said: All that's left now are old, metallic, R62As from the 80's, which all came from the ... The will never be the same ever again. Why the histrionics over this? It's basically been this way for a couple of years anyway, and the degradation in service quality on the (or any other line) has less to do with the rolling stock choice and more to do with the fact that the MTA has cut service and operates less reliably. The unpredictable and uneven intervals in Lexington local service can and would have happened regardless of what trains were on the line. Edited May 23, 2018 by officiallyliam 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7068 Posted May 23, 2018 Besides, if anyone has the right to complain about old trains, it's the riders who have to endure the aging 32s, 42s and 46s that are so prevalent on the and lines. I just wish they'd get to the bottom of what's causing the maintenance discrepancy between cars at Westchester Yard and those elsewhere. Is it a matter of not having enough of a spare factor at Westchester or enough workers, or is it something else? As mentioned previously in this thread, the former 142As left the in a sorry state, but after several months of running out of Corona, they feel as if they're almost brand new cars, appearances notwithstanding of course because they still look beat up unfortunately. Inversely, the 62As, some of the highest performing cars in the entire fleet before the CBTC swap, are rapidly becoming one of the worst since then. Something's up and this needs to be investigated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7069 Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Oh boo-hoo-hoo the is now fully NTT what ever will we do? 🤣 So the now has no more R62A's for regular service correct? Yes, lets completely ignore the abysmal dwell times on one of the most crowded subway lines in the nation... Edited May 23, 2018 by Around the Horn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7070 Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, Around the Horn said: Yes, lets completely ignore the abysmal dwell times on one of the most crowded subway lines in the nation... Wait, does the have less train sets now then it did when it had the R142A's? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7071 Posted May 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: Wait, does the have less train sets now then it did when it had the R142A's? Yes, also the R62As have thinner doors and less standing room in each car due to the half cabs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7072 Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, Around the Horn said: Yes, also the R62As have thinner doors and less standing room in each car due to the half cabs. Oh that's what I missed. To be honest, the whole Lexington fleet should be divided up onto all of the Lexington routes so it isn't just one line that has the SMEE's. Just a thought. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7073 Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) Lexington Av line was fully NTTs and that's when the had R62As and SAS being built. Now (in the present), with the making stops along 2nd Av on the East Side, the amount of trains the had was reduced but not much (Fleet change was also an observation). Edited May 23, 2018 by Calvin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7074 Posted May 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Lance said: Besides, if anyone has the right to complain about old trains, it's the riders who have to endure the aging 32s, 42s and 46s that are so prevalent on the and lines. I just wish they'd get to the bottom of what's causing the maintenance discrepancy between cars at Westchester Yard and those elsewhere. Is it a matter of not having enough of a spare factor at Westchester or enough workers, or is it something else? As mentioned previously in this thread, the former 142As left the in a sorry state, but after several months of running out of Corona, they feel as if they're almost brand new cars, appearances notwithstanding of course because they still look beat up unfortunately. Inversely, the 62As, some of the highest performing cars in the entire fleet before the CBTC swap, are rapidly becoming one of the worst since then. Something's up and this needs to be investigated. This whole thing. The MDBF converted R188 sets spiked around 2016, after more of the sets came in and got much-needed maintenance. The R142As, meanwhile, had one of the worst MBDFs of any fleet, worse even than many SMEE fleets. Those so concerned about the fleet on the should be more concerned with maintenance, which is a much bigger factor on service reliability and fleet availability. Remember that one set on the that had God knows what issue and was sidelined for a few months? That's a train that should've been in service and wasn't because of shoddy maintenance (if there was any). As far as the converted sets looking beat up, with any luck, the upgrades they've been giving some of the trains (including older ones) will come to the R188s. Several R62As on the now have LED lighting, and there is at least one set of R142s with the new lighting and floor mats. That should help not make the C-car stand out the way it does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted May 23, 2018 Share #7075 Posted May 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Around the Horn said: Yes, lets completely ignore the abysmal dwell times on one of the most crowded subway lines in the nation... It doesn't help when they cut service on said extremely busy line either. Yeah, 2nd Avenue exists, but unless they snuck in that Harlem section with all of us being none the wiser, the doesn't help anyone north of 96th Street. 2 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Oh that's what I missed. To be honest, the whole Lexington fleet should be divided up onto all of the Lexington routes so it isn't just one line that has the SMEE's. Just a thought. I don't think that's such a great idea. While it would spread the pain around beyond the line so to speak, it would require more yards to maintain different cars for no real reason other than that. Right now, each IRT yard maintains one class of car and it works well for the most part. Why mess with a winning formula? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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