R188 7857 Posted February 23, 2014 Share #3501 Posted February 23, 2014 I'm going to jump in here for a moment with my two cents. As others have pointed out this thread is about the R188 cars and the Flushing line. What seems to have happened is that many posters have gotten hung up on the new and converted cars yet miss the big picture. All new rolling stock has teething issues that eventually get worked out. It always happens and that's why these cars are tested. I haven't posted in this thread because the R142A/R188 cars that are running today can have all the kinks ironed out, have the interiors spotless and it still means nothing in the long run. The main focus of the is the signal system, not the rolling stock. If the upcoming CBTC signal conversion project doesn't pan out then all this hype over R188s means nothing. The R188 class of car is just a component of a major signal project in the long run. If Bombardier was picked we'd be talking about R142s instead of R142As. If they can't get that signal project up and running in good fashion it wouldn't matter what class of car ran on the line. The real testing hasn't even started yet. Just my opinion. Carry on. Now I wonder why the didn't wait until after the CBTC was successful to order the new trains/convert older trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted February 23, 2014 Share #3502 Posted February 23, 2014 ^That doesn't make sense. The R62As are too old to run under CBTC. Hence why they are buying the R188s. And converting= upgrading the R142As. The MTA needs the CBTC ASAP, because the is so crowded and they want to add maximum trains running evenly with everything being computerized. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted February 23, 2014 Share #3503 Posted February 23, 2014 ^That doesn't make sense. The R62As are too old to run under CBTC. Hence why they are buying the R188s. And converting= upgrading the R142As. The MTA needs the CBTC ASAP, because the is so crowded and they want to add maximum trains running evenly with everything being computerized. yes, but what if there is trouble in the process of the conversion? you never know what is going to happen during the process. It might delay the process more, and you probably don't have a clue if the will scrap it due to the problem or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted February 23, 2014 Share #3504 Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Yes but if they don't have the right trains, how would they know if the type of CBTC installed on Flusing actually works? It's the same reason the 143s were ordered before Canarsie CBTC was installed and operational. Edited February 23, 2014 by Lance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl94 Posted February 24, 2014 Share #3505 Posted February 24, 2014 Yes but if they don't have the right trains, how would they know if the type of CBTC installed on Flusing actually works? It's the same reason the 143s were ordered before Canarsie CBTC was installed and operational. Exactly. They can't test the signal system if there aren't trains that are compatible. As we saw with the , all active rolling stock has to be CBTC-compatible for full CBTC operations to commence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted February 24, 2014 Share #3506 Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) What I'm saying is that you can't call the conversion a success or a failure until the CBTC project is completed and the cars are operational under CBTC. Right now all we have is teething problems with the rolling stock. I think the kinks will be worked out long before CBTC is installed. The cars and the signal system are intertwined as far as I'm concerned. It's a package deal. BTW I never suggested that R62A cars could run under CBTC but they can be used with the new/converts until the system is up and running. I think the rolling stock is the easier part of the program. I doubt the would rip out the old signal system as soon as CBTC is turned on. Hope this clears up any misconception of my original post. Edited February 24, 2014 by Trainmaster5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted February 24, 2014 Share #3507 Posted February 24, 2014 You guys do realize that CBTC hasn't been fully installed on the Flushing line, hence why there are still various weekend train suspensions left to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted February 24, 2014 Share #3508 Posted February 24, 2014 Any updates on the converted sets? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted February 25, 2014 Share #3509 Posted February 25, 2014 You guys do realize that CBTC hasn't been fully installed on the Flushing line, hence why there are still various weekend train suspensions left to go. The commutes sure sound like fun for people traveling! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted February 25, 2014 Share #3510 Posted February 25, 2014 Rode R188 7811 today, The car looks shiny again! I think they brought it through washing, The front end door chains wasn't hooked though, So I assume they were to quick to do it lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted February 25, 2014 Share #3511 Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) I rode R62As 1791-1795 , 1721-1725 today on the , it was shocking that 1661-1670 was right behind me and also , 1741-1750 was right behind that . As of right now there are 6 sets of R62As on the , iv also noticed that all 6 sets have strip maps on them Edited February 25, 2014 by R62AR33 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted February 25, 2014 Share #3512 Posted February 25, 2014 Practically every time I look out my window I see an R188 passing, whether it's 2 PM or 2 AM. I haven't seen the conversion set for a while now. Is the set with 7900 on property yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted February 28, 2014 Share #3513 Posted February 28, 2014 7822-7832 and 7833-7843 were both out today, as well as a third one. 7844-7854 was also testing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted February 28, 2014 Share #3514 Posted February 28, 2014 7871-7876 are now at pitkin yard..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted March 1, 2014 Share #3515 Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) What R188s were built in 2013, and then 2014? Edited March 1, 2014 by GojiMet86 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted March 1, 2014 Share #3516 Posted March 1, 2014 None were they were built in 2012 on a deprecate note 7866-7876 pitkin to corona as of today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIRRHicksville Posted March 2, 2014 Share #3517 Posted March 2, 2014 None were they were built in 2012 on a deprecate note 7866-7876 pitkin to corona as of today. Almost 2 years old and just entering service in the last 2-3 months. Only 2 trains were running today. 7811-7821 which I passed twice and 7833-7843 which I was on. Saw 7822-7832 in the Corona Yard. Another R188 train was there and with no lit "7". Probably was 7844-7854, which someone posted is still in burn testing. I wasn't able to see any numbers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted March 2, 2014 Share #3518 Posted March 2, 2014 I wounder why 7844-7854 is taking so long to enter service. 7833-7844 entered service rather quickly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted March 2, 2014 Share #3519 Posted March 2, 2014 Still waiting on 7855-7865 to enter service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted March 2, 2014 Share #3520 Posted March 2, 2014 Still waiting on 7855-7865 to enter service. 7855-7865 is at corona yard? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejr88 Posted March 2, 2014 Share #3521 Posted March 2, 2014 I actually rode one set a month ago, nice ride to 74 street! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted March 2, 2014 Share #3522 Posted March 2, 2014 I'm not sure about 7855-7865 if they are at corona or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted March 3, 2014 Share #3523 Posted March 3, 2014 Ok disregard for now about 7866-7876 at corona. However 7855-7865 are at corona. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYSubwayBuff Posted March 4, 2014 Share #3524 Posted March 4, 2014 How would it work if there was a train shortage on the IRT and they needed to bring some 188's over to 7ave/ Lex how would the train stop Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted March 4, 2014 Share #3525 Posted March 4, 2014 How would it work if there was a train shortage on the IRT and they needed to bring some 188's over to 7ave/ Lex how would the train stopSent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk If anything, they would take the 5 car sets only ...then you would have an odd bunch of 6 car sets lying around for the . You can cut out a car from them to make 11 car trains. ...then you would have extra B/C cars lying around not doing anything Highly illogical and the odds of it happening are through the roof, but possible 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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