Lance Posted July 22, 2014 Share #4151 Posted July 22, 2014 Yep. Installing any new electronic signs on the older trains outside of the 46s would require rewiring the entire train. That's why the proposal also included redoing the PA system as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted July 22, 2014 Share #4152 Posted July 22, 2014 Yep. Installing any new electronic signs on the older trains outside of the 46s would require rewiring the entire train. That's why the proposal also included redoing the PA system as well. Damn, that is unfortunate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech And Transit Posted July 22, 2014 Share #4153 Posted July 22, 2014 Does anyone know why when your in a 7 Express train, the display still says ? On the 6 it says PELHAM BAY PARK etc, but on the 7 Express it still says , not . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted July 22, 2014 Share #4154 Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) There is somewhat a solution for and using R62A. Just like the and they have two strips for local / express. They COULD do that with one strip as the and one strip as the . Now the only hassle is rollsign business.. That's where the hassle is. That's why Transit doesn't want R62As on the and/or and I don't blame them. Same goes for R68s on the and/or because those two lines have the same issue at Ditmars Blvd that the 2 and 5 have at Flatbush Ave. Yep. Installing any new electronic signs on the older trains outside of the 46s would require rewiring the entire train. That's why the proposal also included redoing the PA system as well. If so, then didn't they have to do that when they installed the digital front route signs on the R32s and 38s during GOH? I really don't like those tiny digital route signs. They're much harder to see than the front roll signs the R32s and 38s had pre-GOH and they ruined the classy look of those cars up front. Anyone know why the Redbirds got to keep their front rolls and marker lights after GOH, while the R32s and 38s had to lose theirs? Edited July 22, 2014 by T to Dyre Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted July 22, 2014 Share #4155 Posted July 22, 2014 So I'm being told that there is literally NOTHING in the CBTC box right now? True or false? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted July 22, 2014 Share #4156 Posted July 22, 2014 That's where the hassle is. That's why Transit doesn't want R62As on the and/or and I don't blame them. Same goes for R68s on the and/or because those two lines have the same issue at Ditmars Blvd that the 2 and 5 have at Flatbush Ave. At least with the N and Q, they really only have to change the route letter, which are right next to each other on the 68s, as opposed to changing both the north terminal as well as the route sign. If so, then didn't they have to do that when they installed the digital front route signs on the R32s and 38s during GOH? I really don't like those tiny digital route signs. They're much harder to see than the front roll signs the R32s and 38s had pre-GOH and they ruined the classy look of those cars up front. Anyone know why the Redbirds got to keep their front rolls and marker lights after GOH, while the R32s and 38s had to lose theirs? The 32s and 38s received the flipdot signs because the air conditioner components in the front of the train's interior made it difficult to change the overhead signs. If that wasn't the case, we'd likely still see standard rollsigns on those cars. For what it's worth, I'm in complete agreement concerning the legibility of the older rollsigns over the flipdots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iGeMiNix Posted July 23, 2014 Share #4157 Posted July 23, 2014 Does anyone know why when your in a 7 Express train, the display still says ? On the 6 it says PELHAM BAY PARK etc, but on the 7 Express it still says , not . When the LEDs were still being installed, the front rollsign would be changed also, but once they were fully installed, many instances with needing to get the trains out, the front and the side LEDs were often mismatch with express in the front and side local and it was actually a local train and with local front and side express with it actually being a local train, etc. TA just felt it was better to let the LEDs tell the story of the train and they handed out pamphlets saying to check the LEDs for what train it is instead of the front signs. On the they are changed probably due to the destination differences unlike the with the same ones and just different stops. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOPRO Posted July 23, 2014 Share #4158 Posted July 23, 2014 So I'm being told that there is literally NOTHING in the CBTC box right now? True or false? Why would there be anything in the box if the CBTC contractor didn't touch the train? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted July 23, 2014 Share #4159 Posted July 23, 2014 The Remaining R142A's are going to the 4 because Westchester Yard don't want them and don't wanna have to maintain them , so while those go to the 4 , to fill the void on the missing R142A's on the 6 will be R62A's from the 1 , those broadway sets you see on the 6 aren't there because flushing cant send more R62As its to replace the R142A's that have started going to the 4 , and to replace the missing R62As on the 1 will be R62s from the 3 . The reason for those new R188s is because eventually they will be C cars once all the converted R188s are in service. As others have said, this is nonsense. There's no room for more 4 trains on Lex, so there's no point in increasing the fleet size on the 4. At the same time, you're shorting the 3. There are only two options that would have made any sense: either the R62A's go from the 7 to the 6, or the R62A's go from the 7 to the 4. We all know which of those two options was chosen. Anyways, a member has just said that he heard it as well but a member on this forum came on chat one night and announced this and he explained that the has been getting complaints from passengers about the R142's on the (which is true, there is some probs) with the R142 on the and either this is a command from the itself or Westchester decided to swap their R62A's from the with 239th St. The overwhelming majority of subway riders don't care about one car class as opposed to another, as long as the air conditioning is working. And to the extent that some riders do have preferences, NYCT has never had a policy of assigning cars based on those preferences. Car assignments are based on what makes the most operational sense. And individual shops don't get to decide what cars they're assigned. Those decisions are made on a systemwide basis. That I didn't know, I thought flushing had more cars which is why I thought those extra sets 7811-7898 were for. http://www.thejoekorner.com/carassignments/irt-2014-06-16.html The 6 runs 40 trains (400 cars); the 7 runs 32 trains (352 cars) - and don't forget that the 7 is getting 126 new cars in addition to the cars transferred from the 6. I'm getting information (again NOT ACCURATE, I'm not saying that I KNOW of it, as I'm clearly saying that I HEARD OF IT before any accusations start) from people that I know SHOULD NOT be trusted. I only share it for a confirmation. And I won't be afraid to release who the people are. Let me clear this up: I WILL NOT RELEASE THE NAMES HERE, I WILL IF IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON ME. - One person has told me they got notified by a motorman that works the that he laid up R142s 6661-6670 one day. Again, have no clue if this is true or false. - Another person is stating that the R142A's will be going to the and that westchester HATES R62A because they are lazy & don't want to change signs. That comes to the statement by another person that R142 from the will be going to the and that R62A will be heading to the 7th Ave Line. - Another person states that all R142A will be converted for fleet compatibility. Again, I highly doubt it was true although he did seem like a worker. That is why I didn't share it until now. - They are also stating that an R62 from the was once on the . ONCE AGAIN, I AM NOT THE ONE WHO IS MAKING THIS UP, I AM THE ONE WHO IS SHARING THIS TO GET FURTHER INFORMATION ON WHETHER THIS IS RELEVANT OR IRRELEVANT INFORMATION I WILL BE SHARING THEIR NAMES (in which I really don't want to) IF I POSSIBLY GET INVOLVED OR ACCUSED FOR FALSE INFO An isolated sighting of a foreign car class is meaningless. Maybe a 5 train was diverted up the Pelham line (to fill a gap in 6 service or because of a blockage on the Jerome or WPR line) and it ran in 6 service for a trip or two and was laid up at Westchester temporarily. If the crews on the 6 line are too lazy to do their jobs, they should be disciplined or fired. Wholesale car fleets are not reassigned to accommodate somebody's desire to not do his or her job. Converting all of the R142A's to R188's would be an incredible waste of money. The R188 contract doesn't call for it, nor is it funded. It's not happening. I guess it's possible that some people find unsubstantiated rumors interesting or exciting. I suspect that you're making them up to try to fool others (it doesn't seem to be working well), or maybe your friends made them up and fooled you. The and are staying with what they have just due to the fact that there isn't enough R62A's to cover service and that they also swap cars at flatbush constantly so the crew there wouldn't wanna have to go back to constantly changing rollsigns when with an R142 just press a button and change the route for the train . It has nothing to do with what the crew wants and everything to do with the need to pump trains through Flatbush Avenue terminal as fast as possible in order to maintain the intense rush hour service there. (Even the midday service there is incredibly intense - aside from Brooklyn Bridge, which doesn't really count, I can't think of any other terminal that runs a 4 minute headway straight through the midday.) Holding the train at the terminal for five or ten minutes as the crew cranks the signs from 2 to 5 just isn't an option. If the 2 were to get any R62A's, they simply wouldn't be reassigned as 5's at Flatbush (barring a massive gap in service). Back in the redbird days, 2-5 swaps were uncommon. There is somewhat a solution for and using R62A. Just like the and they have two strips for local / express. They COULD do that with one strip as the and one strip as the . Now the only hassle is rollsign business.. The strip maps aren't the issue. (When R142 2 trains and R142 5 trains swap places, the strip maps are all wrong.) The issue is that the trains don't spend enough time at the terminal to have all of the signs cranked from 2 to 5 or 5 to 2. Yup. They claim its impossible because of the aged space age era technology in circuits incorporated into the boards. Then again they did do it with the R44's/46's. I remember that study. The R44 and R46 originally came with rollsigns remote-controlled from the cabs. The wiring for that system was recycled into the digital signs when they were installed. The R62 and R68 never had such wiring. In any case, the idea to retrofit the R62/R68 with digital signage was Jay Walder's. When he left, the idea died. So I'm being told that there is literally NOTHING in the CBTC box right now? True or false? Kawasaki is producing CBTC-ready cars in the R188 contract. Thales (the CBTC contractor) will come in at a later date and install the CBTC equipment. The 32s and 38s received the flipdot signs because the air conditioner components in the front of the train's interior made it difficult to change the overhead signs. If that wasn't the case, we'd likely still see standard rollsigns on those cars. For what it's worth, I'm in complete agreement concerning the legibility of the older rollsigns over the flipdots. Difficult? I think you're understating the case. The R32/R38 air conditioning unit completely blocked the panel that needed to be opened in order to crank the rollsign. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech And Transit Posted July 23, 2014 Share #4160 Posted July 23, 2014 When the LEDs were still being installed, the front rollsign would be changed also, but once they were fully installed, many instances with needing to get the trains out, the front and the side LEDs were often mismatch with express in the front and side local and it was actually a local train and with local front and side express with it actually being a local train, etc. TA just felt it was better to let the LEDs tell the story of the train and they handed out pamphlets saying to check the LEDs for what train it is instead of the front signs. On the they are changed probably due to the destination differences unlike the with the same ones and just different stops. I meant an R188 7 Express Train. Sorry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted July 23, 2014 Share #4161 Posted July 23, 2014 Difficult? I think you're understating the case. The R32/R38 air conditioning unit completely blocked the panel that needed to be opened in order to crank the rollsign. Is THAT what the low ceiling at the front and back of various cars is for??? I've been confused by it for the longest time... this makes a lot of sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted July 23, 2014 Share #4162 Posted July 23, 2014 The person who is stating that all R142A will be converted for fleet compatibility is a former motorman, so this is pretty confusing... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj Hammers Posted July 23, 2014 Share #4163 Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) Was this said in a document of some sort? Very surprising that they managed to fit R44/46s with digital signs, but not R62/68. Hell, they even managed to do it with the R32s/R38s, I don't understand why it wouldn't be possible on the 62/68.The original R44s and R46s had rollsigns that were electrically controlled from the conductors cab. It was found that the intercar wiring that supported this functionality was suitable for the implementation of those LCD signs on the rebuilt R44s and R46s. They just took the old sign units out and hooked up the LCD units to the existing wiring.The R62/As and R68/As don't have this intercar wiring as they were built with rollsigns. That luminator flipdot sign on the R32s and R38s is standalone. Changing the flipdot on one end of the train will not change the flipdot on the other end. all the wiring apparatus to support this functionality is contained in the bulkhead of the cars, which was done during GOH. Edited July 23, 2014 by Dj Hammers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOPRO Posted July 23, 2014 Share #4164 Posted July 23, 2014 The person who is stating that all R142A will be converted for fleet compatibility is a former motorman, so this is pretty confusing... LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No that's not the confusing part. The confusing part is why you would take the word of anyone who's not on the property anymore. I don't take the word of a majority of the people who are still active employees and wait to see things happen with my own eyes yet you take the word of someone who's not active. Now that's the confusing part. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted July 23, 2014 Share #4165 Posted July 23, 2014 LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No that's not the confusing part. The confusing part is why you would take the word of anyone who's not on the property anymore. I don't take the word of a majority of the people who are still active employees and wait to see things happen with my own eyes yet you take the word of someone who's not active. Now that's the confusing part. And that's why I can no longer trust any statement from the internet pretty much... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted July 23, 2014 Share #4166 Posted July 23, 2014 And that's why I can no longer trust any statement from the internet pretty much... That's why you stop believing everything that's being posted in that MTA Transit Photos & Videos page on Facebook... ...I know where you heard it from, I believe nothing that guy (or what anyone else in that group) says 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted July 23, 2014 Share #4167 Posted July 23, 2014 Is THAT what the low ceiling at the front and back of various cars is for??? I've been confused by it for the longest time... this makes a lot of sense. For reference, consider the redbirds. R33s never had a big box-like fixture, they had A/C units mounted in the car. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted July 23, 2014 Share #4168 Posted July 23, 2014 Difficult? I think you're understating the case. The R32/R38 air conditioning unit completely blocked the panel that needed to be opened in order to crank the rollsign. Thanks for the clarification as I was not aware of that. What little information I found was vague at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted July 23, 2014 Share #4169 Posted July 23, 2014 BTW, to note one thing I saw yesterday... On one of the conversion sets (I think 7231-7240), I spotted graffiti on it (spray paint graffiti). Not sure if they used white spray paint, gray spray paint, silver spray paint, or any spray paint that matches with the train or if it was graffiti that was failed to clean up. It was on the side of the train, and it was the first time I've seen something like that happen to those things....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted July 23, 2014 Share #4170 Posted July 23, 2014 The person who is stating that all R142A will be converted for fleet compatibility is a former motorman, so this is pretty confusing... Former motormen don't decide these things. Even current motormen don't decide these things. I think someone was pulling your leg. And that's why I can no longer trust any statement from the internet pretty much... A simple sanity check can work wonders. If somebody is telling you that something totally irrational is about to happen, he's probably mistaken or lying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted July 24, 2014 Share #4171 Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) I believe some were down the line the R62A'S will have flat screen delay monitors installed for the destination signs and the number signs. Edited July 24, 2014 by MTARegional Bus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted July 24, 2014 Share #4172 Posted July 24, 2014 Flat screen monitors on the 62s? Never gonna happen. You can quote me on that The visibility would suck, the cost wouldn't be cheap and LEDS last way longer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iGeMiNix Posted July 24, 2014 Share #4173 Posted July 24, 2014 I meant an R188 7 Express Train. Sorry. Ah, that's just a bug. Somebody mentioned this awhile back, maybe they will update it at some point, who knows. While they are at it, might as well update the announcements in Manhattan from this is a Queens Bound train to this is a Queens Bound local/express train since the regular announcements are pretty worthless with the bug in the signs at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted July 25, 2014 Share #4174 Posted July 25, 2014 R-188s 7256-7259-7903-7260 on their way to Pitkin now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech And Transit Posted July 25, 2014 Share #4175 Posted July 25, 2014 7881-7885 is in service. Saw it on a this morning. Not sure what it was linked up to. Also 1961-1962-1963-1964-1965 are hooked up in consecutive order on the South end of a train. 1961 has a full cab. They are NOT linked but coupled. That set entered service July 17th. And it's 7877-7881, 7882-7887. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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