realizm Posted August 9, 2014 Share #4251 Posted August 9, 2014 Man I wished I lived in Queens to keep track of all this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech And Transit Posted August 9, 2014 Share #4252 Posted August 9, 2014 Rode to Manhattan today... I saw a lot of ex: R142A #7231 - #7240 , #7241 - #7250 in service today on ... At least mostly R142A #7231 - #7240 , #7241 - #7250 are great shape in today... Man, there was a massive delay at Main Street today. Due to the G.O. causing Manhattan Bound Trains to skip 82nd, 90th, 103rd and 111th Streets, trains were held up in both directions. I got off at Main Street at around 2:15. I was on car 7881 (yes, again). When I got back, 7884's set (including 7881) was still there along with 7811-7821 and 7231-7240 + 7901. Everyone was crowding on the first train which leaving which was 7881's set. It was crazy. The worst part was the litter on the floor after the trip. I mean, I know it's New York and there's litter everywhere but it was crazy. Paper and napkins everywhere, spilled water (or maybe coffee or some sort of liquid), and smudges all over the floor. Corona is going to have to send out a lot of cleaning crews to clean 7877-7887 tonight. It was truly disgusting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R142A7565 Posted August 9, 2014 Share #4253 Posted August 9, 2014 For myself only.. As one T/O operator crew told me on the ... There going to be Corona yard fever of R188 over new cars... He was joking... Ok today I spotted no R142A mostly today at Westchester Yard only few sets & mostly all R62A... Remember too some R188 set like 7811 - 7821 , 7231 - 7240 like you said those train was dirty that R188/R142A 7811 - 7821 & 7231 - 7240 & Corona crew have to clean those cars that 7811 - 7821 & 7231 - 7240 may not stay Corona Yard overnight hours... Anyway which yard R188 7811 - 7821 & 7231 - 7240 does go for maintenance in overnight hours too than Corona Yard they have Coney Island Yard & 207 Street Yard... Maybe 207 Street Yard or Coney Island Yard can clean R188 7811 - 7821 & 7231 - 7240 when they leave Corona Yard in overnight hours... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech And Transit Posted August 10, 2014 Share #4254 Posted August 10, 2014 For myself only.. As one T/O operator crew told me on the ... There going to be Corona yard fever of R188 over new cars... He was joking... Ok today I spotted no R142A mostly today at Westchester Yard only few sets & mostly all R62A... Remember too some R188 set like 7811 - 7821 , 7231 - 7240 like you said those train was dirty that R188/R142A 7811 - 7821 & 7231 - 7240 & Corona crew have to clean those cars that 7811 - 7821 & 7231 - 7240 may not stay Corona Yard overnight hours... Anyway which yard R188 7811 - 7821 & 7231 - 7240 does go for maintenance in overnight hours too than Corona Yard they have Coney Island Yard & 207 Street Yard... Maybe 207 Street Yard or Coney Island Yard can clean R188 7811 - 7821 & 7231 - 7240 when they leave Corona Yard in overnight hours... I'm talking about 7877-7887. And since that set is run often, I doubt they would take it all the way out on the ML to CIY or 207th just to clean it. I assume tonight, they will take it to Corona, clean it a little, and put it back in service. Not even, maybe the TS cleaning crews will clean out the litter and will leave Corona to clean the marks on the floor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech And Transit Posted August 10, 2014 Share #4255 Posted August 10, 2014 Also, anyone notice how 7860-7870 never seems to be running? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted August 10, 2014 Share #4256 Posted August 10, 2014 Also, anyone notice how 7860-7870 never seems to be running? There might be problems with that set. I've noticed screechy brake problems on that set consistently, maybe they're trying to fix it up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech And Transit Posted August 10, 2014 Share #4257 Posted August 10, 2014 There might be problems with that set. I've noticed screechy brake problems on that set consistently, maybe they're trying to fix it up. Oh ok. I noticed screechy brakes on 7881 (only) but that seemed to be fixed because I rode that car twice within a week. The rest of the set had been fine so I assume it was an easy fix. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4258 Posted August 11, 2014 Should of put those two sets in order. 7855-7865, 7866-7876 I know they'll get mixed up in the long run, but for now, I like the sequential order. It'll be funny the day we see something like... 7888-7892-7226-7229-7900-7230. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4259 Posted August 11, 2014 There had to have been some sort of issue to make those two sets mis-paired... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4260 Posted August 11, 2014 Some one confirm this please, I have some doubt although it does seem highly plausible.. My friend told me that the R188's will permanently be coupled with each other in the sets they are because if one goes of the 5 or 6 car set goes out of service , The other will have to go out of service also. Ill explain better by giving an example 7811-7821 Is running and car #7820 has malfunctioning brakes. It is taken out of service and taken into the yard. Since 7820 is part of the 6 car set, the other 7811-7815 will just remain in the yard till the other part of it gets fixed and coupled back. Since its 5-6 car set, There would be no point of coupling the working 5 car set to another one since all of the 5 car sets will need a 6 car set. I tried to explain to him that I dont think it woudl really matter once the Corona yard is 100% NTT. But then doesn't seem to far fetched. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4261 Posted August 11, 2014 There had to have been some sort of issue to make those two sets mis-paired... 7855-7859 had compressor problems before entering service. So they took its 6 car set 7860-7865, and coupled it with the next 5 car set 7866-7870. When 7855-7859s compressor problems were fixed, they coupled it with that last 6 car set 7871-7876. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4262 Posted August 11, 2014 Some one confirm this please, I have some doubt although it does seem highly plausible.. My friend told me that the R188's will permanently be coupled with each other in the sets they are because if one goes of the 5 or 6 car set goes out of service , The other will have to go out of service also. Ill explain better by giving an example 7811-7821 Is running and car #7820 has malfunctioning brakes. It is taken out of service and taken into the yard. Since 7820 is part of the 6 car set, the other 7811-7815 will just remain in the yard till the other part of it gets fixed and coupled back. Since its 5-6 car set, There would be no point of coupling the working 5 car set to another one since all of the 5 car sets will need a 6 car set. I tried to explain to him that I dont think it woudl really matter once the Corona yard is 100% NTT. But then doesn't seem to far fetched. They would just match the 5 car set to another 6 car set in the yard... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4263 Posted August 11, 2014 They would just match the 5 car set to another 6 car set in the yard... then what would happen to that originals 6 car, 5 car set. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4264 Posted August 11, 2014 then what would happen to that originals 6 car, 5 car set. They sit there until its fixed and ready to go back to service. ...the problem with having an 11 car set is once its down for maintenance, the entire train is out of service, where as a 5/6 car set you just take the problem set to get worked on, and the other set gets hooked up to a ready set. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4265 Posted August 11, 2014 Eventually, as maintenance is needed, we'll see sets mixed and matched. You can't expect them to remain in such a neat order forever right? This is why there is always a spare factor of reserve cars in the yard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech And Transit Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4266 Posted August 11, 2014 But I see what NYtransit is saying. If 7820 goes out of service leaving 7811, what if theres only say 7844 in the yard also waiting for 7854 to get fixed. 6 car and 5 car sets can't work together and it would be pointless to couple 7811's set to 7854's set. Another question, does the C Car always have to be the 2nd car of the train? Or will we see say 7815 leading one day? I'm wondering because a lot of test trains seem to have a lead car that is eventually plaed in the middle for service. EX: FLUSHING 7888-7892, 7898-7893 TIMES SQUARE FLUSHING 7881-7877, 7882-7887 TIMES SQUARE FLUSHING 7260 7903-7256, 7252-7255 TIMES SQUARE In another case, some test trains were flipped the opposite direction than they were when they appeared in service. EX: TEST TRAIN: FLUSHING: 7844-7848, 7849-7854 TIMES SQUARE SERVICE: FLUSHING 7854-7849, 7848-7844 TIMES SQUARE 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4267 Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Why is everyone making such a big deal out of mismatched sets/units? They've been doing it to every other train class since the subway came into existence. Corona Yard has a loop that trains can be turned around on. Edited August 11, 2014 by ttcsubwayfan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech And Transit Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4268 Posted August 11, 2014 Just was wondering why they would have them in a different order for testing than in service. I also find it hard to beleive a lighting cover can make the 188s brighter... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4269 Posted August 11, 2014 Just was wondering why they would have them in a different order for testing than in service. In your above example of 7844-7854? Just turn the sets around on the loop... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4270 Posted August 11, 2014 Just was wondering why they would have them in a different order for testing than in service. I also find it hard to beleive a lighting cover can make the 188s brighter... They do that with the R160. They put the usually supposed to be conductor ends as operating ends. You can tell if the front (or back) car has a sticker under it's front window. That means it's originally meant to be in the middle. Most of the NTT's have this sticker, and I actually don't know what it says but I know for sure it is only for conductor ends. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R142A7565 Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4271 Posted August 11, 2014 Why everyone counting on Corona Yard.... When Corona Yard is not the responsibility handle new techs car or other etc stuff... While some should count on Unionport Yard / East 180 Street yard or 239 Street Yard handle new cars , fix or repairs...... Look at Westchester Yard while they have problem with their R142A ,, they send some R142A to East 180 Street Yard / Unionport Yard they handle new cars or 207 Street Yard or fix their own yard... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4272 Posted August 11, 2014 They do that with the R160. They put the usually supposed to be conductor ends as operating ends. You can tell if the front (or back) car has a sticker under it's front window. That means it's originally meant to be in the middle. Most of the NTT's have this sticker, and I actually don't know what it says but I know for sure it is only for conductor ends. With ANY car class (except the R42), the operating end doubles as a conductors position when in the middle of a train... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4273 Posted August 11, 2014 Man I wished I lived in Queens to keep track of all this. LONG ISLAND CITAYYYYY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4274 Posted August 11, 2014 Why everyone counting on Corona Yard.... When Corona Yard is not the responsibility handle new techs car or other etc stuff... While some should count on Unionport Yard / East 180 Street yard or 239 Street Yard handle new cars , fix or repairs...... Look at Westchester Yard while they have problem with their R142A ,, they send some R142A to East 180 Street Yard / Unionport Yard they handle new cars or 207 Street Yard or fix their own yard... Woah, ok... gramatically, you're a mess. Also, your logic is wrong here. We are all counting on Corona because the R188 conversion sets ARE THEIR responsibility once they've been accepted back into the system after conversion up at Yonkers. If Westchester is treating their R142A's like crap, and Kawasaki isn't doing anything to those cars other than install the CBTC equipment, then it is up to Corona to restore the operational integrity of the crappy conversion sets being thrown their way, WHICH, by the way, they seem to be doing a decent job of. I recently rode on 7231-7240 + 7901, and it looked like Corona managed to fix that set up pretty well; no dead motors, no stuck brakes, and minimal buckling. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech And Transit Posted August 11, 2014 Share #4275 Posted August 11, 2014 They do that with the R160. They put the usually supposed to be conductor ends as operating ends. You can tell if the front (or back) car has a sticker under it's front window. That means it's originally meant to be in the middle. Most of the NTT's have this sticker, and I actually don't know what it says but I know for sure it is only for conductor ends. The sticker says "No coupler adapter in this car." So the cars with that sticker HAVE to be in the middle? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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