realizm Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4576 Posted October 9, 2014 Speaking of R142A trains, the really needs to light a fire under Westchester's ass. I get that the 142As are leaving Westchester soon, but the MTA shouldn't let Westchester just trash them. The 142As on the look 25 years old already, while some of the (4)'s R142As still look new. You should see how much in bad shape the R42s are in. At this point they are using adhesive back aluminum tape to cover up the rusted cracked carbodies like band aids or something. Now the R142As some of them actually have rust on them. Wondering now if overall this was the results of Hurricane Sandy (Saltwater corrosion)? Because this is exactly what happens in the tunnels itself as well as causing severe damage to the concrete benchwalls, roadbeds, and so forth. Nethertheless the main reason is clearly deferred maintainance. I know that the trains were stored underground but still... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4577 Posted October 9, 2014 You should see how much in bad shape the R42s are in. At this point they are using adhesive back aluminum tape to cover up the rusted cracked carbodies like band aids or something. Now the R142As some of them actually have rust on them. Wondering now if overall this was the results of Hurricane Sandy (Saltwater corrosion)? Because this is exactly what happens in the tunnels itself as well as causing severe damage to the concrete benchwalls, roadbeds, and so forth. Nethertheless the main reason is clearly deferred maintainance. I know that the trains were stored underground but still... This is why the R42s are being retired before the R32s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4578 Posted October 9, 2014 Snowblock once said that they left the R42s out in the yards during Sandy. The fact that I managed to catch any in July after that happened is a miracle in itself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4579 Posted October 9, 2014 Snowblock once said that they left the R42s out in the yards during Sandy. The fact that I managed to catch any in July after that happened is a miracle in itself. I don't think ENY yard flooded after Sandy. Think about it this way, plenty of cars got left in the streets during Sandy and did just fine after that. No surprise that the subway cars were fine. Also, I highly doubt there's prominent saltwater corrosion on R142As. That would be a very big issue. Mostly likely it's brown steel dust and dirt that resembles that in color. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparen of Iria Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4580 Posted October 9, 2014 Doesn't change the fact that when a R142A from Westchester Yard pulls into the station, its rusted, the rollsigns are damaged, and it looks way older than it actually is... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4581 Posted October 9, 2014 Now that I think of it I never really seen an R142A side rollsign on the messed up. Then again the ones on the are actually starting to mess up with parts of it going out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4582 Posted October 9, 2014 I don't think ENY yard flooded after Sandy. Think about it this way, plenty of cars got left in the streets during Sandy and did just fine after that. No surprise that the subway cars were fine. Also, I highly doubt there's prominent saltwater corrosion on R142As. That would be a very big issue. Mostly likely it's brown steel dust and dirt that resembles that in color. ENY yard is far inland, so it did not flood, I don't see the harm of leaving the cars out in the yard during that storm. I remember it was just really windy in the inland parts of BK anyway. As for the 142As rusting, aren't they made of the same type of stainless steel as the 32s? Its probably dirt as I highly doubt the cars are rusting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsperez93 Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4583 Posted October 9, 2014 Simply put, no. The R188 is literally an R142A with a CBTC kit in it, so the logic was that its cheaper to convert the R142As (and order a few brand new cars themselves), than to just go all out and order more cars entirely. Once it becomes an R188, the odds of it going anywhere other than the is nil Simply put, no. The R188 is literally an R142A with a CBTC kit in it, so the logic was that its cheaper to convert the R142As (and order a few brand new cars themselves), than to just go all out and order more cars entirely. Once it becomes an R188, the odds of it going anywhere other than the is nil Man that is terrible! No more running with R142A's. All fault. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4584 Posted October 9, 2014 Man that is terrible! No more running with R142A's. All fault. There will still be a minority fleet of R142As on the - they just won't be as common anymore. They're not doing this just to spite you, the needs them more, given that the Flushing line's signalling system is ancient - they figured they might as well use this opportunity to introduce CBTC, and the older cars aren't compatible with such a system. Hence the R188s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4585 Posted October 9, 2014 Man that is terrible! No more running with R142A's. All fault. The will still have R142As, as pointed out several times in this thread. It will have 60 R142As and will likely act like the remaining R42s in ENY. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsperez93 Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4586 Posted October 9, 2014 There will still be a minority fleet of R142As on the - they just won't be as common anymore. They're not doing this just to spite you, the needs them more, given that the Flushing line's signalling system is ancient - they figured they might as well use this opportunity to introduce CBTC, and the older cars aren't compatible with such a system. Hence the R188s. That makes sense I guess But between the and the , which of these two line get more busy? The will still have R142As, as pointed out several times in this thread. It will have 60 R142As and will likely act like the remaining R42s in ENY. It makes sense. I really love those trains. I think they are so much better than those older trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4587 Posted October 9, 2014 That doesn't matter. The whole point is that the IRT Flushing Line has the oldest signaling system that's gonna need replacing anyway. The rest of the signaling system on the A Division are not up for replacement yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Dude Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4588 Posted October 9, 2014 Man that is terrible! No more running with R142A's. All fault. Westchester is trashing the R142As. They're only maintaining the R62As. Be happy that they get adopted by the rightful owner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4589 Posted October 9, 2014 That makes sense I guess But between the and the , which of these two line get more busy? It makes sense. I really love those trains. I think they are so much better than those older trains. What Rollover said. It doesn't matter if you think the R142As are so much better than the R62As, and neither does ridership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparen of Iria Posted October 10, 2014 Share #4590 Posted October 10, 2014 My main regret is that the people at Corona Yard have to fix up all of the damages done to the R142s, from the leaking roll signs to the dirt and rust, to the browning yellow lights. Still, at the very least, CBTC *should* lower the crummy skip-stop patterns at 7 local stations and the numerous delays that have been plaguing the 7 for years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Dude Posted October 10, 2014 Share #4591 Posted October 10, 2014 My main regret is that the people at Corona Yard have to fix up all of the damages done to the R142s, from the leaking roll signs to the dirt and rust, to the browning yellow lights. Still, at the very least, CBTC *should* lower the crummy skip-stop patterns at 7 local stations and the numerous delays that have been plaguing the 7 for years. That's why they're putting CBTC in the first place! To stop delays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsperez93 Posted October 10, 2014 Share #4592 Posted October 10, 2014 (edited) What Rollover said. It doesn't matter if you think the R142As are so much better than the R62As, and neither does ridership. Yeah I read it the first time. I don't need someone else telling me what someone else had already told me. I simply just wanted to know what was going on. Edited October 10, 2014 by rsperez93 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsperez93 Posted October 10, 2014 Share #4593 Posted October 10, 2014 That doesn't matter. The whole point is that the IRT Flushing Line has the oldest signaling system that's gonna need replacing anyway. The rest of the signaling system on the A Division are not up for replacement yet. How do you think the line will run after the project will run? Just curious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted October 10, 2014 Share #4594 Posted October 10, 2014 Yeah I read it the first time. I don't need someone else telling me what someone else had already told me. I simply just wanted to know what was going on. It's called elaborating. Nothing wrong with that. How do you think the line will run after the project will run? Just curious. Well I don't know. I don't ride the daily. Maybe it might run more frequently during the off-peak or whatever the case is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted October 10, 2014 Share #4595 Posted October 10, 2014 How do you think the line will run after the project will run? Just curious. Similar to the since the has CBTC as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Dude Posted October 11, 2014 Share #4596 Posted October 11, 2014 I just realized something. Since the will have R62As, how will they change rollsigns between Parkchester and Pelham Bay Park? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted October 11, 2014 Share #4597 Posted October 11, 2014 I just realized something. Since the will have R62As, how will they change rollsigns between Parkchester and Pelham Bay Park? Most times they don't. They just slap on a green led circle for the local and the red diamond for the express. However, if they did change terminals, the t/o would switch the signs at Parkchester or Pelham Bay Park to display the correct terminal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted October 11, 2014 Share #4598 Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) Speaking of R142A trains, the really needs to light a fire under Westchester's ass. I get that the 142As are leaving Westchester soon, but the MTA shouldn't let Westchester just trash them. The 142As on the look 25 years old already, while some of the (4)'s R142As still look new. They're overusing those 142As too. Most of the 62As that go out for the rush go OOS at Pelham Bay or Parkchester after the rush while the 142As stay out. They might as well get used to running a good number of them at night and the weekend... The works the same way. The 188s go OOS, the 62As stay out. Edited October 11, 2014 by Orion VII 4 Life 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted October 11, 2014 Share #4599 Posted October 11, 2014 I just realized something. Since the will have R62As, how will they change rollsigns between Parkchester and Pelham Bay Park? A given R62A is a collection of 3 Av-138, Parckchester E-177, and PBP rollsigns all over the train. It shouldn't happening: those signs are changeable for a reason, and Westchester crews did fine with rollsigns in the redbird and original R62A days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsperez93 Posted October 11, 2014 Share #4600 Posted October 11, 2014 Similar to the since the has CBTC as well. Really? I never ride on the so I would not know exactly know how the runs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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