R188 Discussion Thread

[7-express]

No surprises here since they had so many issues in early April with the supposed cutover.  Now everything is back to business as usual with blocks on the eastern end while they figure things out.

[Dj Hammers]

2071-2075 going to Westchester very soon

[Coney Island Av]

1 hour ago, Dj Hammers said:

2071-2075 going to Westchester very soon

By very soon do you mean in a couple of hours or in a couple of days?

I can only go tomorrow to see it. 

[Dj Hammers]

15 minutes ago, Coney Island Av said:

By very soon do you mean in a couple of hours or in a couple of days?

I can only go tomorrow to see it. 

Definitely not today but in the upcoming days for sure.

[jon2305]

Hard to believe it's already been a month since the R62As on the were sidelined from service on the Flushing line.

Had a chance last week to take a look at Corona yard from the boardwalk and noticed some interesting sightings regarding those 62As. All the 1900s single-units are deployed around and laid up within each other while the 5-car linked sets (2081-85/2091-95) were also laid up next to each other. 2071-2075 was in the maintenance barn being checked on. Some of the rollsigns display , express, Special, (11) rollsign on car 1926, there's even a express shown on 62A car 1924.

[Calvin]

Question: When the R62As move out of Corona, is the line on CBTC bypass or that CBTC isn't activated?

[Calvin]

Also, those singles may be scrambled: some units to be combined as 5-car sets like 1943-1949 and for work

Edited May 1, 2018 by Calvin

[bobtehpanda]

On 4/23/2018 at 7:02 AM, Lance said:

It's going to take another ~6 months to iron out software kinks. Embarrassing.

Engineering companies =/= software companies, unfortunately.

[jon2305]

1 hour ago, Calvin said:

Question: When the R62As move out of Corona, is the line on CBTC bypass or that CBTC isn't activated?

When I rode an R188 on the last week, the majority of the trip from Times Square to Willets Point was on CBTC bypass.

[Coney Island Av]

Have 2071-2075, 2081-2085, and 2091-2095 been transferred to Westchester? 

[VIP]

1 hour ago, Coney Island Av said:

Have 2071-2075, 2081-2085, and 2091-2095 been transferred to Westchester? 

No

[Bosco]

On 4/30/2018 at 10:05 PM, jon2305 said:

When I rode an R188 on the last week, the majority of the trip from Times Square to Willets Point was on CBTC bypass.

That's the only way an R62A could run along the line at this point.

On 4/30/2018 at 9:56 PM, bobtehpanda said:

Engineering companies =/= software companies, unfortunately.

Have you been following the R179 situation?

[jon2305]

7 hours ago, Bosco said:

That's the only way an R62A could run along the line at this point.

It may seem likely, however there's plans to transfer the 62As from the .

[Dj Hammers]

And right on cue - 2071-2075 heading to Westchester. Currently at Queensboro Plaza, about to head south via the N line

[GojiMet86]

Where is it now?

[Dj Hammers]

1 minute ago, GojiMet86 said:

Where is it now?

Atlantic Avenue, about to head north

[Calvin]

The (6) will be receiving more trains as 2071-5 now going to Westchester Yard. It's currently at 7 Av-53 St as I was on the (D) train to Brooklyn.

[kosciusko]

Wait; so to bring a train from Corona to Westchester, it has to go via the  to Atlantic, then via the  up 6th ave to concourse yard, then via the  to 125th, then via the  to Westchester? Jeez that's a long trip.

[GojiMet86]

Lol, it got trapped by FASTRAK! Went up to Colombus and then got sent back down!

[m2fwannabe]

On 4/30/2018 at 8:39 PM, Calvin said:

Also, those singles may be scrambled: some units to be combined as 5-car sets like 1943-1949 and for work

Edited Monday at 08:39 PM by Calvin

There's only enough single units to make up two 5-car match-ups at most, IF that's the case:

1954-1957-1958-1959-1960 (cab);

1924 (no LED)-1926-1934-1938-1942.

Even so, 1954, 1942 and 1924 would all have to be modified as "end" cars (full-width cabs & WABCO brake valves at one end) to be moved to  as are 1943-1944-1947-1948-1949.  That would take a little time.

But if this DOES happen, chances would favor a return of the cars on back to , and then those "lovely" Kawasaki R-62s could go back to .

Being equipped as 4-Trippers, I don't think you'd see 1901-1905 matched up as such.  The 1901-1910 group (less 1909) is needed for Work Service as shared with road use.

Some may stay at Corona; the rest may be destined to Livonia and 239 ultimately.

 

[Dj Hammers]

23 minutes ago, GojiMet86 said:

Lol, it got trapped by FASTRAK! Went up to Colombus and then got sent back down!

Yepppp. So there should be another chance to catch this

[Bosco]

59 minutes ago, kosciusko said:

Wait; so to bring a train from Corona to Westchester, it has to go via the  to Atlantic, then via the  up 6th ave to concourse yard, then via the  to 125th, then via the  to Westchester? Jeez that's a long trip.

Yup.  The only connection between the Flushing Line and the rest of the system is a diamond crossover just east of Queensboro Plaza, a remnant from the days when the BMT and IRT shared Astoria and Flushing.
 

16 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said:

There's only enough single units to make up two 5-car match-ups at most, IF that's the case:

1954-1957-1958-1959-1960 (cab);

1924 (no LED)-1926-1934-1938-1942.

Even so, 1954, 1942 and 1924 would all have to be modified as "end" cars (full-width cabs & WABCO brake valves at one end) to be moved to  as are 1943-1944-1947-1948-1949.  That would take a little time.

But if this DOES happen, chances would favor a return of the cars on back to , and then those "lovely" Kawasaki R-62s could go back to .

Being equipped as 4-Trippers, I don't think you'd see 1901-1905 matched up as such.  The 1901-1910 group (less 1909) is needed for Work Service as shared with road use.

Some may stay at Corona; the rest may be destined to Livonia and 239 ultimately.

 

If the  gives the  back the few 2200s and 2400s it has, would that mean the 1800s at 240 St would go back to the ?  Have to say, it's kinda weird having that split between 240 and Westchester.

[m2fwannabe]

2 minutes ago, Bosco said:

If the  gives the  back the few 2200s and 2400s it has, would that mean the 1800s at 240 St would go back to the ?  Have to say, it's kinda weird having that split between 240 and Westchester.

Those 1800s on 1 (1826-30 and 1841-1900) were put there when displaced from 6 by the R-142As by 2002.  The 1826-30 got left behind by its sisters as they fled to Corona in 2003. 

[jon2305]

24 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said:

There's only enough single units to make up two 5-car match-ups at most, IF that's the case:

1954-1957-1958-1959-1960 (cab);

1924 (no LED)-1926-1934-1938-1942.

Even so, 1954, 1942 and 1924 would all have to be modified as "end" cars (full-width cabs & WABCO brake valves at one end) to be moved to  as are 1943-1944-1947-1948-1949.  That would take a little time.

But if this DOES happen, chances would favor a return of the cars on back to , and then those "lovely" Kawasaki R-62s could go back to .

Being equipped as 4-Trippers, I don't think you'd see 1901-1905 matched up as such.  The 1901-1910 group (less 1909) is needed for Work Service as shared with road use.

Some may stay at Corona; the rest may be destined to Livonia and 239 ultimately.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Bosco said:

Yup.  The only connection between the Flushing Line and the rest of the system is a diamond crossover just east of Queensboro Plaza, a remnant from the days when the BMT and IRT shared Astoria and Flushing.
 

If the  gives the  back the few 2200s and 2400s it has, would that mean the 1800s at 240 St would go back to the ?  Have to say, it's kinda weird having that split between 240 and Westchester.

 

Just now, m2fwannabe said:

Those 1800s on 1 (1826-30 and 1841-1900) were put there when displaced from 6 by the R-142As by 2002.  The 1826-30 got left behind by its sisters as they fled to Corona in 2003. 

Those 62As on the that are loaned from the should be destined back over to their home base (240 St yard). SMS overhaul work is wrapping up on all of 240 St R62As, just today I saw at least two 1800s that were freshly out of 207 St yard overhauled and running on the . The loaners that are currently on the are whats left to be SMS'ed (2221-25, 2346-50, 2456-2475 30 sets) then the attention could go over to Westchester's R62As which in all likely hood are badly need of some decent maintenance.

[m2fwannabe]

8 minutes ago, jon2305 said:

Those 62As on the that are loaned from the should be destined back over to their home base (240 St yard). SMS overhaul work is wrapping up on all of 240 St R62As, just today I saw at least two 1800s that were freshly out of 207 St yard overhauled and running on the . The loaners that are currently on the are whats left to be SMS'ed (2221-25, 2346-50, 2456-2475 30 sets) then the attention could go over to Westchester's R62As which in all likely hood are badly need of some decent maintenance.

Totally agreed.  And so would unfold the final chapter of the R-188 rollout.

In 2012, the projected "final" assignments called for the unitization of 1926-1965 for use on , with 1901-1925 to be left as single units for assignment to and in Work Service.

Don't know if that's still the end game, but of course would require a multitude of juggling to rationalize the fleet.

Then there's this more recent idea about two tracks using longer consists on the shuttle, instead of three with the 10 cars its had since 1964, if not before that.