T J Trainman Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2401 Posted August 11, 2013 Yes the 2 above mentioned cars are in the 7 1991 south motor and 2076 south motor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2402 Posted August 11, 2013 Yes the 2 above mentioned cars are in the 7 1991 south motor and 2076 south motor. Which makes me question why were cars 1651-1670 are singles after having full width cabs if they are probably next in getting full width cabs again. Guess it was just a last minute thing or some sort. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2403 Posted August 11, 2013 1651-1670 are 5 car sets they will get their full cabs re installed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 13, 2013 Share #2404 Posted August 13, 2013 Which makes me question why were cars 1651-1670 are singles after having full width cabs if they are probably next in getting full width cabs again. Guess it was just a last minute thing or some sort. Only the 1901-2150s were singles. Why would a 1600s set be singles if they are linking up the 2000-2100s into 5 car sets? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queens Surface Posted August 13, 2013 Share #2405 Posted August 13, 2013 Only the 1901-2150s were singles. Why would a 1600s set be singles if they are linking up the 2000-2100s into 5 car sets? Maybe they need to keep a few singles for Refuse Service...since all those redbirds are gone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 13, 2013 Share #2406 Posted August 13, 2013 (edited) I don't believe all the 1900s have been linked as 5 car sets yet. And if anything, why not 'unlink' the 2000-2100s instead of a 1600? At least the 2000s have been used as singles. Edited August 13, 2013 by Grand Concourse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted August 14, 2013 Share #2407 Posted August 14, 2013 Test set is making rounds up and down the line now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted August 14, 2013 Share #2408 Posted August 14, 2013 Well, I checked for the R62A's that were converted and yes indeed 1995 has a full width cab. Funny how fellow bros 1991 and 1996 still don't have full width cabs. 1991-2000 with 1919 in the middle were running together and 1995 was the ONLY car with a full width cab in that set. 1995 was on the conductor side with 1991 leading the way Manhattan-bound. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted August 15, 2013 Share #2409 Posted August 15, 2013 With more of the redbird work trains being scrapped more R62As may be in work service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2410 Posted August 16, 2013 With more of the redbird work trains being scrapped more R62As may be in work service. Why would R62A's be used for work trains they are not that old yet. I can see maybe something like the R46's being used since they are almost 40 years old. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2411 Posted August 16, 2013 Why would R62A's be used for work trains they are not that old yet. I can see maybe something like the R46's being used since they are almost 40 years old. The R46 can't go everywhere, that's why all work trains are pretty much built to A division specs. They may keep some 62As as singles and keep rotating them between work (rider cars, mules for car transfers, etc) and regular service 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOPRO Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2412 Posted August 16, 2013 Why would R62A's be used for work trains they are not that old yet. I can see maybe something like the R46's being used since they are almost 40 years old. If you didn't realize. The R46s cannot run on A division track as the tunnel and platforms only allow for a clearance of a train that's 8 feet wide. The R46s run in the B division where clearances are 10 feet wide like the R46 itself. There's always a need for miscellaneous equipment other than work diesels and the Redbirds are extremely difficult to maintain at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2413 Posted August 16, 2013 Neither can they take certain curves on the A division they will derail. On top of that they can sideswipe columns, IRT cars, and walls in the tunnels. Try a 10 car R46 consist through the South Ferry Loop or Union Square, forget the WPR, it wouldn't be too pleasant to watch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtattrain Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2414 Posted August 16, 2013 Why would R62A's be used for work trains they are not that old yet. I can see maybe something like the R46's being used since they are almost 40 years old. But the R46s: * Don't fit on the A-division * May not be able to fit on the A-division curvatures (51'-64' max) * Are a vital part of the B-division fleet (barely any surpluses), unlike the R62As, which will probably be in surplus after the R188s come in. * Are unnecessary additions since there are 10 R32 work cars anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2415 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) WPR can be taken off that list because had the SAS been completed as planned in 1968, WPR would be B Division right now. Edited August 16, 2013 by LTA1992 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2416 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) WPR can be taken off that list because had the SAS been completed as planned, WPR would be B Division right now. Actually the plans changed in terms of engineering studies if that's what you read because I've seen it, it requires a newly built line. The IND second system didn't even plan for that if you think about it in terms of line acquisition and spacial dimension requirements. However it can be extended to the Dyre Ave line from a new line from the SAS as the IRT line is technically built to commuter railroad specifications as the line is not technically built by the IRT, it was built by the New York, Westchester and Boston Railway. It was added on by the NYCTA years later after unification. The WPR on the flip side is locked in to IRT specifications as the IRT built the WPR. even the Pelham Bay park line cannot accommodate B division cars. it was built as part of the dual contracts true but the IRT hired it's own contractors, building it to its' specifications to cockblock the BMT. There's a method to August Belmont's madness vs. Mervin Dahl. Edited August 16, 2013 by realizm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2417 Posted August 16, 2013 Anything built during the Dual Contracts can fit B Division trains with slight modification. That includes the WPR above Tremont Avenue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2418 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) Anything built during the Dual Contracts can fit B Division trains with slight modification. That includes the WPR above Tremont Avenue. The thing is the IRT portions of the line(s) was built by IRT contractors to IRT specifications as part of the Dual Contract deal in it's entirety minus Dyre Avenue. That's what I was trying to say. Including the Lex past 42nd Street Grand Central. http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/The_Dual_Contracts Edited August 16, 2013 by realizm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2419 Posted August 16, 2013 Why would R62A's be used for work trains they are not that old yet. I can see maybe something like the R46's being used since they are almost 40 years old.I'm not even gonna commet on A B division differences.The R62As are singles so they can do work service but imagine R46 in garbage service: 4 R46,3 or 4 garbage flatcars and 1 or 2 R127.Way too long.No other transit system uses more than one revenue car in a work train except CTA because their cars are married pair The thing is the IRT portions of the line(s) was built by IRT contractors to IRT specifications as part of the Dual Contract deal in it's entirety minus Dyre Avenue. That's what I was trying to say. Including the Lex past 42nd Street Grand Central. http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/The_Dual_Contracts Actually it was built as BMT then when it changed midconstruction they just extended the platform edge inward so if you shaved the platform a B division car could run there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2420 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) Well I can see where LTA is coming from because historically what is now the 4th Ave line between 36th and Dekalb Ave, before the Bay Ridge portion of the line, or the Sea Beach, and the West End elevated line (built from scratch to replace the surface railroad) , was built originally was supposed to go to the IRT but was in a legal tangle with the BMT, so the City of New York built it to B division specs. However that trend in construction stopped starting with the construction of the Lexington Ave line all the way into the Bronx from the original IRT Lafayette Ave line which now is considered the Lexington Ave Line by MTA designation. *whew history can be complicated* Edited August 16, 2013 by realizm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2421 Posted August 16, 2013 Why would R62A's be used for work trains they are not that old yet. I can see maybe something like the R46's being used since they are almost 40 years old. I would see singles from the 42 Street shuttle taking over. Some singles from the 42 Street shuttle are work cars already, although there is a R62A single from Corona yard as a work car sitting at the 207 Street yard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2422 Posted August 16, 2013 I would see singles from the 42 Street shuttle taking over. Some singles from the 42 Street shuttle are work cars already, although there is a R62A single from Corona yard as a work car sitting at the 207 Street yard. The shuttle has its own 20 cars put aside from the mainline trains 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2423 Posted August 16, 2013 I would see singles from the 42 Street shuttle taking over. Some singles from the 42 Street shuttle are work cars already, although there is a R62A single from Corona yard as a work car sitting at the 207 Street yard. Some cars have been linked as 3 car sets. I do agree those could be used, but as stated, those 20 cars are set aside for the S specifically. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2424 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) I'm not even gonna commet on A B division differences.The R62As are singles so they can do work service but imagine R46 in garbage service: 4 R46,3 or 4 garbage flatcars and 1 or 2 R127.Way too long.No other transit system uses more than one revenue car in a work train except CTA because their cars are married pair Actually it was built as BMT then when it changed midconstruction they just extended the platform edge inward so if you shaved the platform a B division car could run there Well there are AA R46 pairs, so at most it'd be 2 pairs on each end. And you have the R68 singles on the Franklin S. But we already have R32s for that so we don't even need the R46s for such a task (and of course those 75' cars won't fit on Eastern division). But that said yes R62As will do. Why would R62A's be used for work trains they are not that old yet. I can see maybe something like the R46's being used since they are almost 40 years old. Doesn't matter about age, these would be the 'oldest' cars left that can fit both divisions and still have singles. Each car has a/c which is something the R127/134s don't have. So they probably won't need to run the R32s for garbage duty. Edited August 16, 2013 by Grand Concourse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted August 16, 2013 Share #2425 Posted August 16, 2013 But the R46s: * Don't fit on the A-division * May not be able to fit on the A-division curvatures (51'-64' max) * Are a vital part of the B-division fleet (barely any surpluses), unlike the R62As, which will probably be in surplus after the R188s come in. * Are unnecessary additions since there are 10 R32 work cars anyway. Sorry to everyone I forgot that the trains had different lengths. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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