go25 Posted July 21, 2014 Share #26 Posted July 21, 2014 An instafix create a bridge for cars from NJTP to Manhattan then convert the Lincoln into a rail tunnel and new tracks to existing NEC in Manhattan and NJ. OR simply build new tunnels for Amtrak and NJT 4 tracks and a union city station. No need for nonsensical to NJ. That has to be the most absurd idea ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted July 21, 2014 Share #27 Posted July 21, 2014 An instafix create a bridge for cars from NJTP to Manhattan then convert the Lincoln into a rail tunnel and new tracks to existing NEC in Manhattan and NJ. OR simply build new tunnels for Amtrak and NJT 4 tracks and a union city station. No need for nonsensical to NJ. That is anything but an "instafix". Times like this I really hate the fat man in Trenton. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted July 21, 2014 Share #28 Posted July 21, 2014 Continuing from my last post, I'm surprised Christie never even bothered to think of the long term effects of his decision to scrap ARC. It's like this dude hates transit and wants to make it worse for his 75% of his state's population who commutes to NYC daily. I understand it ran over budget, but you gotta choose what's more important. Your taxpayers or looking good for your conservative buddies. I'd choose my taxpayers. It's taxpayers over everything, even a turkey sandwich with the greatest mayo of all time. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted July 22, 2014 Share #29 Posted July 22, 2014 http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2014/07/8549155/amtrak-nj-transit-riders-should-be-very-concerned I been say that for years once they proposed the 7 extension. PANYNJ could build a new PABT in Secaucus with cross transfers to the 7. The sale of the current PABT land would be used for part of the cost of the new projects. Chris Christie is a tool for canceling the new NEC tunnel project. I think at least if you can not afford a new pair of tunnels is to just build one new tunnel. Once finished will allow each of the current tunnels to be rebuilt one at a time while keeping current service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted July 22, 2014 Share #30 Posted July 22, 2014 Well NJT is expected to receive (if they haven't already got it) some more funding to upgrade infrastructure. Hopefully the next governor after Christie will be smart enough to put money towards resuming ARC and NJT could split the cost. I mean come on, how long does it take to build a pair of tunnels? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted July 22, 2014 Share #31 Posted July 22, 2014 Well NJT is expected to receive (if they haven't already got it) some more funding to upgrade infrastructure. Hopefully the next governor after Christie will be smart enough to put money towards resuming ARC and NJT could split the cost. I mean come on, how long does it take to build a pair of tunnels? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Planning and construction should take 10-15 years at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted July 28, 2014 Share #32 Posted July 28, 2014 This is a scare static, the PATH, NYC Subway even the East River LIRR/Amtrak tunnels are just as old yet you don't hear about them shutting down in 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted July 31, 2014 Share #33 Posted July 31, 2014 This is a scare static, the PATH, NYC Subway even the East River LIRR/Amtrak tunnels are just as old yet you don't hear about them shutting down in 20 years. Believe it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted August 1, 2014 Share #34 Posted August 1, 2014 I been say that for years once they proposed the 7 extension. PANYNJ could build a new PABT in Secaucus with cross transfers to the 7. The sale of the current PABT land would be used for part of the cost of the new projects. Chris Christie is a tool for canceling the new NEC tunnel project. I think at least if you can not afford a new pair of tunnels is to just build one new tunnel. Once finished will allow each of the current tunnels to be rebuilt one at a time while keeping current service. Please stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DailyDose Posted August 3, 2014 Share #35 Posted August 3, 2014 They should build like a massive 6-8 track tunnel, if worse comes to worse and both tunnels have to be shutdown. Tracks 1 to 4: Amtrak/NJT Track 5: PATH Eastbound Track 6: PATH Westbound I know you'll hate me but, (Optional) Tracks 7&8 - line extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go25 Posted August 3, 2014 Share #36 Posted August 3, 2014 They should build like a massive 6-8 track tunnel, if worse comes to worse and both tunnels have to be shutdown. Tracks 1 to 4: Amtrak/NJT Track 5: PATH Eastbound Track 6: PATH Westbound I know you'll hate me but, (Optional) Tracks 7&8 - line extension. Why bring in PATH if they own their own tunnels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted August 4, 2014 Share #37 Posted August 4, 2014 Please stop. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted August 4, 2014 Share #38 Posted August 4, 2014 Why bring in PATH if they own their own tunnels? Ignore them the solution is to own it and add new NEC tunnels later on build an underground station in union city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted August 6, 2014 Share #39 Posted August 6, 2014 Ignore them the solution is to own it and add new NEC tunnels later on build an underground station in union city Even if Chris Christie cheaped out he could have just build one tunnel instead of cancelling the whole project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSRR Posted August 10, 2014 Share #40 Posted August 10, 2014 This is a scare static, the PATH, NYC Subway even the East River LIRR/Amtrak tunnels are just as old yet you don't hear about them shutting down in 20 years. How many months is the montague tunnels are closed for repair? How many months was the greepoint avenue tunnels closed for? How long are they closed for this time? How many tunnels are going to be closed once the the montague tunnels open? (cranberry) How much work is done with GO and closing for the weekend? I don't think it's dramatic one bit. NJT runs how many trains are each day? Amtrak doesn't have the luxury to send trains via another tunnel to do repair piece meal. So if they do shut down one tube, it drops the capacity to 4 tph in each direction. That would kill NJT. I don't think Amtrak would give up slots out of the kindness of their hearts. So amtrak is stuck. they need another crossing to even shut this one down to do proper repairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted August 11, 2014 Share #41 Posted August 11, 2014 How many months is the montague tunnels are closed for repair? How many months was the greepoint avenue tunnels closed for? How long are they closed for this time? How many tunnels are going to be closed once the the montague tunnels open? (cranberry) How much work is done with GO and closing for the weekend? I don't think it's dramatic one bit. NJT runs how many trains are each day? Amtrak doesn't have the luxury to send trains via another tunnel to do repair piece meal. So if they do shut down one tube, it drops the capacity to 4 tph in each direction. That would kill NJT. I don't think Amtrak would give up slots out of the kindness of their hearts. So amtrak is stuck. they need another crossing to even shut this one down to do proper repairs. Probably mean lots of Cross Honoring to Buses at PABT...Amtrak...not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted August 11, 2014 Share #42 Posted August 11, 2014 Probably mean lots of Cross Honoring to Buses at PABT...Amtrak...not so much LOL with what capacity? AFAIK, there isn't much spare capacity at ANY of the crossing methods to get into the city. Rail is at capacity. Traffic is already a nightmare into PABT during the morning rush. This is why there needs to be redundancy in the form of Gateway that needs to be completed before a prolonged outage of any one of the original Hudson tubes for major maintenance and repair is necessary. ... Oh, and it's highly doubtful that the 7 is getting extended into NJ any time soon. MTACC already has enough trouble with ESA, SAS, the current 7 extension, and Fulton Street as it is. Any talk of the 7 going to NJ is a pipe dream, so let's stop fantasizing about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted August 11, 2014 Share #43 Posted August 11, 2014 LOL with what capacity? AFAIK, there isn't much spare capacity at ANY of the crossing methods to get into the city. Rail is at capacity. Traffic is already a nightmare into PABT during the morning rush. This is why there needs to be redundancy in the form of Gateway that needs to be completed before a prolonged outage of any one of the original Hudson tubes for major maintenance and repair is necessary. ... Oh, and it's highly doubtful that the 7 is getting extended into NJ any time soon. MTACC already has enough trouble with ESA, SAS, the current 7 extension, and Fulton Street as it is. Any talk of the 7 going to NJ is a pipe dream, so let's stop fantasizing about that one. More like LSD fueled pipe dream. Reroute trains to Hoboken and hire pushers for the buses,ferry lines & PATH suck it up and own the problem preferably during summer months and holidays. Let MTA help out by sending some buses to NJ temporarily till work is done sorry subway haters you gonna have to deal with the pain for a while. Upgrade buses via gwb and have em serve the east side hopefully with a HOV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted August 12, 2014 Share #44 Posted August 12, 2014 It's not even about upgrading service or whatnot... It's about the rush hour traffic at the Hudson crossings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfs NJT459 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share #45 Posted October 2, 2014 Update: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/nyregion/repairs-to-new-york-tunnels-will-limit-rail-service.html TBH: I think Amtrak should get the crew to do tunnel repairs, cuz of the way they fix and fortified the Montague tunnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted October 2, 2014 Share #46 Posted October 2, 2014 Update: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/nyregion/repairs-to-new-york-tunnels-will-limit-rail-service.html TBH: I think Amtrak should get the crew to do tunnel repairs, cuz of the way they fix and fortified the Montague tunnel I think (NJT) Crew, Amtrak Crew, Crew, PANY&NJ Crews, NYCDOT, NYSDOT, USDOT, NJDOT to work together. Another alternative if Hudson River Tunnel tube is shutdown, PATH train and NJT should cross over Amtrak ticket at Newark Penn Station, New York Penn Station 33rd St-6th Av, 42nd St-Port Authority Bus Terminal/Times Sq Complex, 34th St-Penn Station for NYC Subway, and Grand Central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted October 2, 2014 Share #47 Posted October 2, 2014 Update: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/nyregion/repairs-to-new-york-tunnels-will-limit-rail-service.html TBH: I think Amtrak should get the crew to do tunnel repairs, cuz of the way they fix and fortified the Montague tunnel While that sounds like a good idea, I don't think it can be done. Commuter train tunnels and Subway tunnels are two different types of track and equipment. A subway crew probably isn't certified to work with overhead catenary, which is something that also needs repair In those tunnels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfs NJT459 Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share #48 Posted June 30, 2015 Christie is running for President, if one of the Hudson river tunnels get shut down, the nightmare will be his faulthttp://www.nj.com/traffic/index.ssf/2015/06/the_nightmare_that_awaits_nj_if_a_hudson_rail_tunnel_is_forced_to_close.html#incart_river Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted July 1, 2015 Share #49 Posted July 1, 2015 Christie is running for President, if one of the Hudson river tunnels get shut down, the nightmare will be his fault http://www.nj.com/traffic/index.ssf/2015/06/the_nightmare_that_awaits_nj_if_a_hudson_rail_tunnel_is_forced_to_close.html#incart_river If he gets elected president, the tunnels won't be the only thing needing repairs in the Public Transportation sector. The ENTIRE Northeast Corridor rail network could be next. Christie fails to realize that his decision to cancel ARC had consequences that affected not only NJ, but PA, DE, MD, and DC. A lot of NYC commuters also come from Philadelphia, Delaware and the DMV too, be it by Amtrak or SEPTA/NJT, or Greyhound/Bolt/Megabus, although the latter will only be affected by the extra traffic. Its time to stop kicking the can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted July 1, 2015 Share #50 Posted July 1, 2015 ARC was poorly designed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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