quadcorder Posted December 29, 2017 Share #4026 Posted December 29, 2017 20 minutes ago, ABOGbrooklyn said: Then explain why the R68s cant push weight as fast as the 160s?.. You can have a local R160 train running down 4th Ave going faster than an R68 express train.. Actually I just checked: R68 car is 92,720 vs. R160 car is 85,200 lbs.. So you're wrong the 68s are heavy. 8-cars of R68 is 741760. 10-cars of R160 is 852000... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABOGbrooklyn Posted December 29, 2017 Share #4027 Posted December 29, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jemorie said: All NTTs go faster than the SMEEs (specifically when leaving a station on separate tracks) because the NTTs are younger than the SMEEs, helllooooo. Common sense. The SMEEs also no longer have their field shunting partly due to the numerous accidents back then, so they pretty much lost their get up and go as a whole. Though the NTTs don't seem to perform well when they get up 40+ mph likely because they're programmed not to. The SMEEs perform better in that regard. Yeah, individually, an R68 car is heavier than an R160 car. But in terms of train length (mind you, not car length), the R160s are the true heaviest. You make fair points but I don't think age of the cars should be the case, R46s, 32s, 42s go faster than the 68s in my opinion as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted December 29, 2017 Share #4028 Posted December 29, 2017 1 minute ago, ABOGbrooklyn said: You make fair points but I don't think age of the cars should be the case, R46s, 32s, 42s go faster than the 68s in my opinion as well. LOL opinions don't make facts. SMEEs all go at the same speed when racing from one station to another on separate tracks. I can personally assure you that much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHacksJustKhaks Posted December 29, 2017 Share #4029 Posted December 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, ABOGbrooklyn said: You make fair points but I don't think age of the cars should be the case, R46s, 32s, 42s go faster than the 68s in my opinion as well. Any evidence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABOGbrooklyn Posted December 29, 2017 Share #4030 Posted December 29, 2017 11 minutes ago, Jemorie said: LOL opinions don't make facts. SMEEs all go at the same speed when racing from one station to another on separate tracks. I can personally assure you that much. I'll take my L on this one.. I'll admit I just don't like the R68s and i'm being childish lol 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHacksJustKhaks Posted December 29, 2017 Share #4031 Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) Guess im not the only one who dislikes R68's haha! Also, How many times has this thread gone off topic? Edited December 29, 2017 by NoHacksJustKhaks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted December 29, 2017 Share #4032 Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) R68's have the same output as R62's correct? with the extra weight.. Also AC vs DC traction is a factor as well. I feel the perfect place to see this in action is the Manhattan Bridge 160's climb the grade twice as fast head to head. Edited December 29, 2017 by RailRunRob 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted December 29, 2017 Share #4033 Posted December 29, 2017 33 minutes ago, quadcorder said: 8-cars of R68 is 741760. 10-cars of R160 is 852000... Factor in power output in proportion to car weight there MU's each car pulls its own weight. Not a push/pull operation. So I kinda get the point being made. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABOGbrooklyn Posted December 29, 2017 Share #4034 Posted December 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, RailRunRob said: R68's have the same output as R62's correct? with the extra weight.. Also AC vs DC traction is a factor as well. I feel the perfect place to see this in action is the Manhattan Bridge 160's climb the grade twice as fast head to head. What about recording the speed of each R32, 46, 68 and 160s running down Cranberry Tube during rush hour? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted December 29, 2017 Share #4035 Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, ABOGbrooklyn said: What about recording the speed of each R32, 46, 68 and 160s running down Cranberry Tube during rush hour? There are quite a few factors at play. From weight, power output to just plain gravity. Not sure if you get an accurate read. With stations being as close as they are in NYC not sure it matters, for the most part, it's a few seconds saved here and there. But all and all, most car classes are on par.. The Manhattan Bridge is the only place I can think of you'll see power output in full visual display. 4.5% grade.. full power head to head til midspan. Edited December 29, 2017 by RailRunRob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted December 29, 2017 Share #4036 Posted December 29, 2017 Really guys?! Back to The R32Fleet Swap discussion!!! Thanks. 🙄 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted December 30, 2017 Share #4037 Posted December 30, 2017 3396/3397, 3455/3454, and 3624/3625 are back to 207 from East New York. (Currently on the ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 6, 2018 Share #4038 Posted January 6, 2018 51 minutes ago, D to 96 St said: Are ANY R32s still on the ? Or have they all moved to the ? There's still 2-3 R32's on the 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHacksJustKhaks Posted January 6, 2018 Share #4039 Posted January 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, R32 3838 said: There's still 2-3 R32's on the Better question, will those R32's be moved? Maybe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 6, 2018 Share #4040 Posted January 6, 2018 There were at least 4 sets of R32 Cs on Wednesday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted January 7, 2018 Share #4041 Posted January 7, 2018 Do R32s run on the on weekends? I was hoping I could catch one tomorrow... Always appreciate the RFW. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted January 7, 2018 Share #4042 Posted January 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, RR503 said: Do R32s run on the on weekends? I was hoping I could catch one tomorrow... Always appreciate the RFW. Yes they do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 7, 2018 Share #4043 Posted January 7, 2018 They ran one today 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted January 7, 2018 Share #4044 Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) I don't see the point in running only a small few trains full-length. I think the just doesn't care. Since 207th Street/Pitkin Avenue has a total of 120 R32s, 386 R46s, and 100 R160s, here's how I would have done the swap to make half of the line fleet full-length: - 80 R32s (all 10-cars) and 240 R46s for service + 40 R32s (all 10-cars) and 32 R46s as spares - 72 R46s and 72 R160s for service + 16 R46s and 28 R160s as spares - 12 R46s for service + 14 R46s as spares Edited January 7, 2018 by Jemorie Trying to show how half of the C line fleet can be full-length instead of less than half 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted January 7, 2018 Share #4045 Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Jemorie said: I don't see the point in running only a small few trains full-length. I think the just doesn't care. Since 207th Street/Pitkin Avenue has a total of 120 R32s, 386 R46s, and 100 R160s, here's how I would have done the swap to make half of the line fleet full-length: - 80 R32s (all 10-cars) and 240 R46s for service + 40 R32s (all 10-cars) and 32 R46s as spares - 72 R46s and 72 R160s for service + 16 R46s and 28 R160s as spares - 12 R46s for service + 14 R46s as spares that is a good explanation given the poor service we have on a daily basis also it could be the car crunch in the B division since the Second Ave Subway open and the was restored (reduction in spare factor). It makes car swaps much harder to do because you literally have no spare cars to move while maintaining full service and spare requirements. Likely, they'lll want to have the entire and R46s (one fleet) and move R32s to another yard, because making the 10 car trains out of R32s means that there are less trains in service (not possible without additional R179s) (160/10) = 16 (160/8) = 20 Edited January 7, 2018 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted January 7, 2018 Share #4046 Posted January 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said: that is a good explanation given the poor service we have on a daily basis also it could be the car crunch in the B division since the Second Ave Subway open and the was restored (reduction in spare factor). It makes car swaps much harder to do because you literally have no spare cars to move while maintaining full service and spare requirements. Likely, they'lll want to have the entire and R46s (one fleet) and move R32s to another yard, because making the 10 car trains out of R32s means that there are less trains in service (not possible without additional R179s) (160/10) = 16 (160/8) = 20 You're right. Ever since the returned, spare factors have been reduced slightly more than before, hell even after the was extended to SAS. But with more R179s on the way and with the shutdown, this problem will no longer occur, thankfully. We are certainly looking forward to seeing both the and full-length as the agency can't afford to have displaced Canarsie/14th Street riders squishing onto 480 feet long trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadcorder Posted January 7, 2018 Share #4047 Posted January 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Jemorie said: You're right. Ever since the returned, spare factors have been reduced slightly more than before, hell even after the was extended to SAS. But with more R179s on the way and with the shutdown, this problem will no longer occur, thankfully. We are certainly looking forward to seeing both the and full-length as the agency can't afford to have displaced Canarsie/14th Street riders squishing onto 480 feet long trains. You know that the shutdown will inrease the peak car usage, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted January 7, 2018 Share #4048 Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, quadcorder said: You know that the shutdown will inrease the peak car usage, right? Apparently, you didn't read the "But with more R179s on the way and with the shutdown, this problem will no longer occur, thankfully" part of my post that shows you that I'm aware of that. Edited January 7, 2018 by Jemorie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 7, 2018 Share #4049 Posted January 7, 2018 As more R179's go into service on the the will gain a set or two of R46's and an R160 will go back to ENY. R179 goes into service, bumps an R32 to 207th (8 cars) 207th then sends an R160 to ENY to bump another R32 (8 more cars) to 207th. Then the looses a set or two of R46's to the while the gains an R32 set or two. Eventually the R42's will follow suit to 207th. Until further notice. As for the and being 100% R46's i don't agree with that. The R32's or 10 car R160's would be better due to dwell times. Especially when the shutdown happens. Its best to have both the and use a fair amount of 60 footers especially the (C). I would take the remaining R160's from CIY and give them to the (C). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted January 8, 2018 Share #4050 Posted January 8, 2018 That sounds a lot more reasonable indeed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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