Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

[Shore El Express]

6 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

How can you love a train you have yet to ride lol

 

The 211s will have wider doors than the current B div NTT and thus less seating space and less of a chance of getting a seat. I wish they would have kept the doors the same size as the 143/160/179, hopefully the regular 211 sets have those corner seats near the ends of the cars as well. Was never a fan of them being removed on the Cuomo 160s.

Corner is a prime spot for folks to handle their business

[m2fwannabe]

Aging is beginning to outpace the fleet's required needs and that's more of a historical fault.  Not much anything can be done to reverse the sands of time.

And its not feasibly to temporarily use buses instead like on some systems, eh?

Hopefully some people won't make foolish mistakes that they would very much regret and soon.

No easy of cheap fix until the R-211s are born and show how well.

[Around the Horn]

5534-5537, 5566-5569, 5590-5593, 5842-5845 to Coney Island

9148-9152, 9198-9202 to Jamaica

[Iron Valiant]

8 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

5534-5537, 5566-5569, 5590-5593, 5842-5845 to Coney Island

9148-9152, 9198-9202 to Jamaica

I’m sorry I haven’t really been keeping track (no pun intended), but which are the R46’s that are at CI Yard and which ones are still at Jamaica Yard? What are the car unit numbers?

[Calvin]

1 hour ago, Snorunts said:

I’m sorry I haven’t really been keeping track (no pun intended), but which are the R46’s that are at CI Yard and which ones are still at Jamaica Yard? What are the car unit numbers?

 5482-5533, 5538-5545, 5550-5581, 5586-5589, 5594-5653, 5658-5673, 5682-5685, 5690-5733, 5738-5745, 5750-5813, 5818-5841, 5846-5877: Jamaica for now

Currently,  5534-7, 5546-5549, 5582-5585, 5590-5593, 5654-5657, 5674-5681, 5686-5689, 5734-7, 5746-5749, 5814-5817 and 5842-5845 at C.I Yd
 

Edited January 3, 2020 by Calvin

[Iron Valiant]

32 minutes ago, Calvin said:

 5482-5533, 5538-5545, 5550-5581, 5586-5589, 5594-5653, 5658-5673, 5682-5685, 5690-5733, 5738-5745, 5750-5813, 5818-5841, 5846-5877: Jamaica for now

Currently,  5534-7, 5546-5549, 5582-5585, 5590-5593, 5654-5657, 5674-5681, 5686-5689, 5734-7, 5746-5749, 5814-5817 and 5842-5845 at C.I Yd
 

Thank You So Much!!! 🙂

[R10 2952]

On 1/2/2020 at 4:42 AM, NBTA said:

We all knew that the 38s needed to go, but what about the Slants? They seemed like they weren't even falling apart. 

 

On 1/2/2020 at 4:49 AM, danielhg121 said:

Weren’t the slants kinda dangerous? The gaps between cars while crossing between them were pretty wide. But yea there was a way smaller fleet of 38’s. There wasn’t any problem with the 38’s as far as I remember, probably would’ve fared better than the 42’s. 

Both the R38s and R40s were in bad shape towards the end.  Extensive roofline corrosion, leaking during rainstorms; the frames under the bonnets didn't look too great at that point either- General Electric and Sumitomo just didn't do as solid a job as Morrison-Knudsen with rebuilding.

If more SMEEs had been kept, likely would've been more Phase I R32s and MK-rebuild R42s. Everything else (or so I was told back then) was already dead or dying at that point.

[danielhg121]

Heard Coney R160 9122-9126 set and 9478-9482 (ex-Jam) got transferred. Anyone affirm?

[VIP]

9 minutes ago, danielhg121 said:

Heard Coney R160 9122-9126 set and 9478-9482 (ex-Jam) got transferred. Anyone affirm?

Yes, it’s heading to Jamaica Yard as we speak. 9122-9118*

Edited January 4, 2020 by VIP
Car numbers

[m2fwannabe]

20 hours ago, Calvin said:

5482-5533, 5538-5545, 5550-5581, 5586-5589, 5594-5653, 5658-5673, 5682-5685, 5690-5733, 5738-5745, 5750-5813, 5818-5841, 5846-5877: Jamaica for now

Currently,  5534-7, 5546-5549, 5582-5585, 5590-5593, 5654-5657, 5674-5681, 5686-5689, 5734-7, 5746-5749, 5814-5817 and 5842-5845 at C.I Yd

5482-5533, 5538-5545, 5550-5581, 5586-5589, 5594-5653, 5658-5673, 5682-5685, 5690-5745, 5750-5813, 5818-5841, 5846-5877: Jamaica for now

Currently,  5534-7, 5546-5549, 5582-5585, 5590-5593, 5654-5657, 5674-5681, 5686-5689, 5746-5749, 5814-5817 and 5842-5845 at C.I Yd

5734-37 got bounced back to Jamaica about a week ago.  Originally mated with 5534-37 which STAYED at CIY.

My guess is something was awry from their initial inspection at Coney Island.  (If so, make JAMAICA fix its own mess!)

Whatever the case it was on the Monday, December 30.

[m2fwannabe]

4 minutes ago, VIP said:

5 minutes ago, danielhg121 said:

Heard Coney R160 9122-9126 set and 9478-9482 (ex-Jam) got transferred. Anyone affirm?

Yes, it’s heading to Jamaica Yard as we speak. 9122-9128*

Um, I bet that's 9122-9118 back axed.

[VIP]

2 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said:

5482-5533, 5538-5545, 5550-5581, 5586-5589, 5594-5653, 5658-5673, 5682-5685, 5690-5745, 5750-5813, 5818-5841, 5846-5877: Jamaica for now

Currently,  5534-7, 5546-5549, 5582-5585, 5590-5593, 5654-5657, 5674-5681, 5686-5689, 5746-5749, 5814-5817 and 5842-5845 at C.I Yd

5734-37 got bounced back to Jamaica about a week ago.  Originally mated with 5534-37 which STAYED at CIY.

My guess is something was awry from their initial inspection at Coney Island.  (If so, make JAMAICA fix its own mess!)

Whatever the case it was on the Monday, December 30.

Jamaica isn’t doing well with their car inspections. Coney Island barn is NOT having it.  and  crews have made complaints. Also this swap is apocalyptic for SeaBeach, Astoria, and Broadway riders. They’re going to notice the difference really quickly. 

[darkstar8983]

Soon you’ll be seeing R46  trains and R68A  trains in large quantities.

Its odd that so far only the  is losing its R160s while the  is still all R160, even though logically it makes more sense from an operation standpoint to keep the remaining R160s that are not to be transferred on the  

Edited January 4, 2020 by darkstar8983

[VIP]

3 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

Soon you’ll be seeing R46  trains and R68A  trains in large quantities.

Its odd that so far only the  is losing its R160s while the  is still all R160, even though logically it makes more sense from an operation standpoint to keep the remaining R160s that are not to be transferred on the  

According to a memo, there’s only going to be two sets of R46 on the  as Put ins only. That line will be dominated by R68/R68A’s. 

[darkstar8983]

9 minutes ago, VIP said:

Jamaica isn’t doing well with their car inspections. Coney Island barn is NOT having it.  and  crews have made complaints. Also this swap is apocalyptic for SeaBeach, Astoria, and Broadway riders. They’re going to notice the difference really quickly. 

Since 2016 the  has gone downhill similar to how 2001-2004 was with the route swaps

2016 - Sea Beach Reconstruction begins

2016 -  train returns but means fewer trains outside rush hours in Astoria and car shortage is noticed.

2017 - Astoria Stations begin Construction

2018 - 4 Av Express tunnel begins repairs

2019 - Astoria Blvd closes &  train is cut from Stillwell Av

2019-2020 -  loses almost all R160s for the worst performing subway car (outside the R32)

 

if they still did the state of the subway report card, you’d see the  at the bottom of the list again like it was in the 90s and early 2000s

[Iron Valiant]

25 minutes ago, VIP said:

According to a memo, there’s only going to be two sets of R46 on the  as Put ins only. That line will be dominated by R68/R68A’s. 

Question: The R160’s that remain in Coney Island Yard, are they all going to be assigned to the  line? Are they going to split between the , , ? Something I’ve been wondering...

[m2fwannabe]

56 minutes ago, VIP said:

1 hour ago, m2fwannabe said:

5482-5533, 5538-5545, 5550-5581, 5586-5589, 5594-5653, 5658-5673, 5682-5685, 5690-5745, 5750-5813, 5818-5841, 5846-5877: Jamaica for now

Currently,  5534-7, 5546-5549, 5582-5585, 5590-5593, 5654-5657, 5674-5681, 5686-5689, 5746-5749, 5814-5817 and 5842-5845 at C.I Yd

5734-37 got bounced back to Jamaica about a week ago.  Originally mated with 5534-37 which STAYED at CIY.

My guess is something was awry from their initial inspection at Coney Island.  (If so, make JAMAICA fix its own mess!)

Whatever the case it was on the Monday, December 30.

Jamaica isn’t doing well with their car inspections. Coney Island barn is NOT having it.  and  crews have made complaints. Also this swap is apocalyptic for SeaBeach, Astoria, and Broadway riders. They’re going to notice the difference really quickly. 

So here are the second 3 for 2 swap (ended January 3):  24 R46 transferred (#2) 5546-49 & 5674-77 to CIY on Dec 23; 5534-37, 5566-69, 5590-93, 5842-45 to CIY on Jan 2.

20 R160 transferred (#2) 8148-52 & 9198-9202 to JYD on Jan 2; 9118-22 & 9478-9482 on Jan 3.

Understand that the R160s can only be moved that they are "QBL (Thales?) CBTC accepted and enabled" of how many are complete for the road, we have yet no idea.

The early pattern is the 3 by 2 swap once per month (ca first Monday?).  If that were the case the whole process would require about a year and a half, but time will tell.

Queens Will Be Assimilated...Resistance is Futile

(quoth Third of Five)

[danielhg121]

Wait I thought the entire swap was mostly being done by coordinating the layups of F and R trains. The set that transferred today was running not in service, isn’t that a waste of money? Couldn’t they just have it be a pull out from Avenue X? 

[Iron Valiant]

I’m a puzzled here. Doesn’t the  train use 10 car trains? 5538-5542 can be a five car set however 5543-5545 only makes three cars while 5546-5547 aren’t at Jamaica Yard. Do the R46’s work differently than the new tech trains?

[m2fwannabe]

8 minutes ago, danielhg121 said:

Wait I thought the entire swap was mostly being done by coordinating the layups of F and R trains. The set that transferred today was running not in service, isn’t that a waste of money? Couldn’t they just have it be a pull out from Avenue X? 

Most likely:

Depends on where the cars that are ready to be moved, as in already together at both facilities.  BOTH R160s sets CBTC ready on one side and in a proper inspection (as in desired mileage status and/or mechanical status) going over to CIY.  If both sets were so lucky to be at Coney Island and didn't actually need to be transferred, CIY (likely) wouldn't do that unless they received their own initial inspection while the R160s would (likely) require its own inspection by JYD before just dropping a "stranger" equipment into the to get to Queens in the first place.

For DCE  Mega CYA is more important than saving a few cents against light transfers.

 

[NewFlyer 230]

3 minutes ago, Snorunts said:

I’m a puzzled here. Doesn’t the  train use 10 car trains? 5538-5542 can be a five car set however 5543-5545 only makes three cars while 5546-5547 aren’t at Jamaica Yard. Do the R46’s work differently than the new tech trains?

The R46 cars are 75 feet long in comparison to the R143, R160 and R179’s that are 60 feet long per car. Therefore R46 cars are in 4 car sets which together make 8 cars which makes a full length train. 

Edited January 4, 2020 by NewFlyer 230

[m2fwannabe]

5 minutes ago, Snorunts said:

I’m a puzzled here. Doesn’t the  train use 10 car trains? 5538-5542 can be a five car set however 5543-5545 only makes three cars while 5546-5547 aren’t at Jamaica Yard. Do the R46’s work differently than the new tech trains?

4 car sets linked for R46s.  5 car sets linked for R160s.  The R46s are not consecutive (even cabs each ends), the R160s are consecutive.

[m2fwannabe]

Again a new subject:

We have a list of 20 newly retired R-32s at 207, presumably to be batched processing (stripped) for scrapping soon.

IF this is done as the last time so around 2010 and the reefing before that, all were dismembered at Tracks 11 & 12 inside the Main Shops.

Lets see how this works.

It appears a guess so far will entail 20 cars per work for 4 weeks (that would be the 80 cars as widely circulated).

Interested in the specific car numbers or is that TMI?

[m2fwannabe]

11 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said:

Most likely:

Depends on where the cars that are ready to be moved, as in already together at both facilities.  BOTH R160s sets CBTC ready on one side and in a proper inspection (as in desired mileage status and/or mechanical status) going over to CIY.  If both sets were so lucky to be at Coney Island and didn't actually need to be transferred, CIY (likely) wouldn't do that unless they received their own initial inspection while the R160s would (likely) require its own inspection by JYD before just dropping a "stranger" equipment into the to get to Queens in the first place.

For DCE  Mega CYA is more important than saving a few cents against light transfers.

Just a though about olden days on NYCTA the cars were sometimes transferred just by a phone call when desperation beckoned.  They could be wandering around for months!

Lets try this expression  (The Art of the Deal) between brethren but boy you really had to know them well.

[Iron Valiant]

16 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

The R46 cars are 75 feet long in comparison to the R143, R160 and R179’s that are 60 feet long per car. Therefore R46 cars are in 4 car sets which together make 8 cars which makes a full length train. 

15 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said:

4 car sets linked for R46s.  5 car sets linked for R160s.  The R46s are not consecutive (even cabs each ends), the R160s are consecutive.

Gotcha gotcha! So that means 43 R46 Trains at Jamaica Yard plus 04 extra cars.

Edited January 4, 2020 by Snorunts