trainfan22 Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5351 Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) What funny is despite the fact that the Phase two R32s were the crappier of the two mechanically, both pairs in the TM fleet are Phase 2. When the rest of the 32s are finally retired, they should save an phase 1 pair as well. I wish I knew of the GE 32s existence when they was still an active fleet, especially now hearing that they kept some of their original components from pre GOH. Not sure about the IRT redbirds but from my understanding, most of the R32 - R42 fleets were completely gutted mechanically during GOH. From old timers I read that the cars sounded different pre GOH, described as having "darth vader brakes" and cool sounding compressors like in the video below... Only thing 50+ years old in the 32s and 42s are their bodies and maybe the trucks, mechanically they are about the same age as the R62/A and R68/A more or less. Edited January 11, 2020 by trainfan22 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak706 Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5352 Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, trainfan22 said: What funny is despite the fact that the Phase two R32s were the crappier of the two mechanically, both pairs in the TM fleet are Phase 2. When the rest of the 32s are finally retired, they should save an phase 1 pair as well. Absolutely. Once retired they will be among the longest serving cars of all time, and that’s definitely worth preservation. I would even go as far as saying it would be worth having a whole 8-car train of them - there is already a TOMC and TOMM. If two Phase I pairs are saved, this could be done 1 hour ago, trainfan22 said: I wish I knew of the GE 32s existence when they was still an active fleet, especially now hearing that they kept some of their original components from pre GOH. Not sure about the IRT redbirds but from my understanding, most of the R32 - R42 fleets were completely gutted mechanically during GOH. From old timers I read that the cars sounded different pre GOH, described as having "darth vader brakes" and cool sounding compressors like in the video below... I don’t remember exactly which components were original, but I do remember that they sounded like GOH R38s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5353 Posted January 11, 2020 48 minutes ago, Amtrak706 said: Absolutely. Once retired they will be among the longest serving cars of all time, and that’s definitely worth preservation. I would even go as far as saying it would be worth having a whole 8-car train of them - there is already a TOMC and TOMM. If two Phase I pairs are saved, this could be done I don’t remember exactly which components were original, but I do remember that they sounded like GOH R38s. I consider the 32s part of the TOMM, they probably don't use the two TM pairs on TOMM trips because the 32s still have a major presence in the system. I would imagine once the 32s are retired then the museum pairs will be added to the TOMM consist. Post GOH 32s are too bland to have an entire 8 car train worth of them IMO, especially considering you can't restore them to their pre GOH look. At least with the museum R33ML you can repaint the outside of the cars to different paint schemes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5354 Posted January 11, 2020 3 hours ago, R10 2952 said: Just jogged my memory of those things; yeah, they were definitely "non-standard". One of three fleets that the agency was desperate to get rid of first. The other two being CI-rebuild R42s (structural rot) and Phase II R32s (mechanical shitshows). Did the GE R32s operate as one full train or were they just random pairs? Also, what made the MK R42s be kept when they were just as bad as the rest of the outgoing fleet in 2007-2009? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak706 Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5355 Posted January 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: I consider the 32s part of the TOMM, they probably don't use the two TM pairs on TOMM trips because the 32s still have a major presence in the system. I would imagine once the 32s are retired then the museum pairs will be added to the TOMM consist. Post GOH 32s are too bland to have an entire 8 car train worth of them IMO, especially considering you can't restore them to their pre GOH look. At least with the museum R33ML you can repaint the outside of the cars to different paint schemes. Well considering they do use the R42s on the TOMM, I don’t think it’s because the type is still in service. The Phase II R32s were not well-running cars, especially with their NYAB brake system. And keep in mind the actual point of preservation: what is around today and what may seem “bland” now certainly won’t down the road. All the car types currently in the museum were once plentiful in regular service and otherwise unremarkable. I’m glad not everyone has the mindset you do, otherwise nothing would have been saved and there would be no museum fleet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5356 Posted January 11, 2020 Is 4788-4789 still in passenger service? I haven't seen that set in a while. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5357 Posted January 11, 2020 7 hours ago, MHV9218 said: Forgive me if I missed this, but have the R46s transferred from Jamaica (or CI) to Pitkin for service been noted yet? Interesting seeing those sets running on the , interior rehab and all. I don't think it's been noted in this thread. I saw one of the sets about an hour ago at Penn Station....I was looking at it like "wait, that looks way too clean.....". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLine Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5358 Posted January 11, 2020 44 minutes ago, Calvin said: Is 4788-4789 still in passenger service? I haven't seen that set in a while. No, that pair has electrical problems 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van2006ko Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5359 Posted January 11, 2020 Any idea if they would use any of the R42s on the weekend this time around after reactivation? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coney Island Av Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5360 Posted January 11, 2020 yesterday I was out on the and counted about four sets total in service. one set is in ENY sitting OOS because some foamers stole the rollsigns from some of the cars. also, the back car of the consist is tagged with graffiti. there's somewhat of a chance that the R42s can come out this weekend due to the lack of R179s... also, are there any refuse R32s operating in service? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLine Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5361 Posted January 11, 2020 No, that was a lie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5362 Posted January 11, 2020 10 hours ago, Cait Sith said: I don't think it's been noted in this thread. I saw one of the sets about an hour ago at Penn Station....I was looking at it like "wait, that looks way too clean.....". A bunch of the A's R46 have gone thru SMS recently with a repainted bonnet. I've been noticing the SMS'ed cars since a few weeks before all of the R179s were pulled. Even caught a set passing Smith-9 on the express just fresh out of SMS from CI a few weeks ago. Seems they coincidentally chose the right time to do this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5363 Posted January 11, 2020 11 hours ago, Cait Sith said: I don't think it's been noted in this thread. I saw one of the sets about an hour ago at Penn Station....I was looking at it like "wait, that looks way too clean.....". Yeah, I was staring at the number boards thinking 'wait...' For me it was that 5602-5605 set on the A yesterday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5364 Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said: Did the GE R32s operate as one full train or were they just random pairs? Also, what made the MK R42s be kept when they were just as bad as the rest of the outgoing fleet in 2007-2009? Never saw all 10 GE cars operate as one consist; I get the impression that was intentional. In the mid-to-late 2000s, most MK R42s were better than the CI R42s. The CI R42s were terrible; I rode them, I know people who operated those cars- crews hated them. Coney Island cheaped out on the overhaul and those cars did not age well. Word through the grapevine back then was that next to Phase I R32s, MK R42s were the least bad of a bunch of worn-out car classes. It makes sense, considering that in 2008 MK R42s were sent from East New York to Jamaica Yard to bump the Phase II R32s off of Queens Blvd. Edited January 11, 2020 by R10 2952 grammar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5365 Posted January 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Coney Island Av said: also, are there any refuse R32s operating in service? From what I've heard, not at this time. It was used as a props (movie) train. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted January 11, 2020 Share #5366 Posted January 11, 2020 2 hours ago, 4P3607 said: A bunch of the A's R46 have gone thru SMS recently with a repainted bonnet. I've been noticing the SMS'ed cars since a few weeks before all of the R179s were pulled. Even caught a set passing Smith-9 on the express just fresh out of SMS from CI a few weeks ago. Seems they coincidentally chose the right time to do this. That I know, I was just saying that the train looked way too clean to be an train🤣. 1 hour ago, MHV9218 said: Yeah, I was staring at the number boards thinking 'wait...' For me it was that 5602-5605 set on the A yesterday. That was the set I saw going Northbound at 34th, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 15, 2020 Share #5367 Posted January 15, 2020 3484/85 still in service, seen a picture of it on facebook 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted January 15, 2020 Share #5368 Posted January 15, 2020 5842-5845 is at CIY. Rode it on the this morning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted January 15, 2020 Share #5369 Posted January 15, 2020 How many R46’s sets are left at Jamaica now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted January 16, 2020 Share #5370 Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 11:51 PM, Amtrak706 said: Well considering they do use the R42s on the TOMM, I don’t think it’s because the type is still in service. The Phase II R32s were not well-running cars, especially with their NYAB brake system. And keep in mind the actual point of preservation: what is around today and what may seem “bland” now certainly won’t down the road. All the car types currently in the museum were once plentiful in regular service and otherwise unremarkable. I’m glad not everyone has the mindset you do, otherwise nothing would have been saved and there would be no museum fleet. The R16 weren't well running cars and yet the lone running car is still used on museum trips.. The arines ran like crap towards the end of their service life but the museum arines run great on museum trips today. I think the TM can make the Phase II cars run great and work well with the other museum SMEE's. If there was an NYCTF in the 70s I would certainly be pro saving 10+ cars of R1-9s (which was done) those prewar cars have a certain charm to them that newer trains lack IMO. 32s aren't interesting enough to have an entire train worth of them being saved. I think three 32 pairs would suffice. If one want to give an 32 pair to those Trolley museums I would be OK with that (if their interested). 32s lost their color during GOH, lost their front rollsigns, lost their ceiling fans, etc.. an entire museum train of an stale grey train? Meh 32s in the TOMM consist, dope, 32s on their own? meh. Not have my mindset? You act like I said NONE of the 32s should be saved lol. I'm very pro saving Transit vehicles for museum fleets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted January 16, 2020 Share #5371 Posted January 16, 2020 3 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said: How many R46’s sets are left at Jamaica now? Approximently 40 trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyMyself Posted January 16, 2020 Share #5372 Posted January 16, 2020 To add on, as of tonight (January 15), according to forum posters on here: 10 trains of R160s have been transferred to Jamaica, and 10 trains of R46s were transferred to Coney Island. Also rode on an R46 train yesterday for the first time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted January 16, 2020 Share #5373 Posted January 16, 2020 What would be the best time of day to catch a Rockaway-bound R32 train? Preferably before sunset. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwwnyc123 Posted January 16, 2020 Share #5374 Posted January 16, 2020 That explains why I am starting to see more R160s on the trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted January 16, 2020 Share #5375 Posted January 16, 2020 44 minutes ago, P3F said: What would be the best time of day to catch a Rockaway-bound R32 train? Preferably before sunset. I haven't seen an R32 train since the 179s were pulled from service. When the 179s were active, 32 trains were a lot more common. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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