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30 minutes ago, Snorunts said:

How many R46 Trains/Cars remain at Jamaica Yard for (F) and (R) service?

30 trains with a 4-car spare: 

5482-5489, 5498-5517, 5522-5529, 5538-5541, 5550-5561, 5570-5581, 5598-5601, 5606-5649, 5666-5673, 5690-5713, 5718-5729, 5742-5745, 5750-5757, 5762-5769, 5774-5777, 5782-5789, 5794-5809, 5818-5829, 5834-5841, 5850-5861

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If we take the fact that prior to the swap, the F used 14 R46 trains, and the R used 31, and the N/W collectively used 29 R160 trains, while the Q used 21, there are clearly enough R46 trains to cover all of the N/W's R160s as well as the entirety of the G (though the G may be keeping its R68s), still having a considerable amount of trains left over for use by the B/Q... However, I'm still not sure how car assignments will fully play out, we'll have to wait and see for ourselves. 

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6 hours ago, Calvin said:

That’s all? I thought they had less than that at this point. I’ve been noticing a lot more R160s on the (R)

Its funny but you can clearly tell a CI R160 from a Jamaica R160 based on how the interior looks. Those CI trains were definitely cleaned more, the light casings seemed to be cleaned out and the lights replaced. It’s a shame how Jamaica will dirty them up. However at least those Jamaica R160s don’t look like ENY’s. Those poor trains get tagged up all the time and you can see the residue of the left over graffiti paint all over the car. 

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34 minutes ago, SimplyMyself said:

At around 8:45am, I boarded an uptown-R46 (Q) train (lead-5492, 5530-back) at Times Sq. I noticed R46s on every track, including another R46 (Q) going downtown (probably (N) trains via the (Q).

Get use to it...That's gonna be the normal very soon....:lol:

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On 1/20/2020 at 11:50 AM, darkstar8983 said:

Its time for you all to get your last R160 (N)(W) videos/pics, etc. A reliable source has told me that by the end of February, there will be no R160s left on the (N)(W). Today had to wait about 35 minutes until an R160 came (during rush hour) for the (N)(W) because it was nothing but R46s coming. I'd say, based on the number of R160s left in Coney Island, this is the car assignment for the (N).

 

15 R160s (mainly Alstom propulsion)

13 R46s

5 R68/R68A

 

and just to think, a month ago, the (N) was almost all R160s.

 

Guess its time for me to start biking to/from work and we will be seeing reliability on the N line dropping like a lead balloon.

I rode the (N) and (Q) recently last week on my free time and glad I caught an R160 each on both lines without having to wait forever for one. Though I personally recommend that you should only do that on your free time/railfanning. Nothing wrong with that.

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On 1/8/2020 at 2:04 AM, R32 3838 said:

3 R160A-1's ENY to 207th, 8648 being one of them.  Credit to fan railer 

Looks like R160's going back to the (C) with the R32's going back to the (J) .

 

On 1/8/2020 at 7:36 AM, Ultimategamer12c said:

The C has R160s ?

That never happen. If it did, well, that would have explained that temporary suspension of skip-stop service in the AM Rush (the first day the 50 R42s came back) replaced with a 7-minute headway all local service on the Jamaica Line. The (C) has ran exclusively R32s before and throughout. Same with the (J) / (Z) being mostly R160s and those 50 R42s. Pretty dumb of the (MTA) to pull out that BS excuse of "shortage of cars" during the 7-minute headway all local service on the Jamaica Line.

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1 hour ago, Jemorie said:

I rode the (N) and (Q) recently last week on my free time and glad I caught an R160 each on both lines without having to wait forever for one. Though I personally recommend that you should only do that on your free time/railfanning. Nothing wrong with that.

Well the (Q) is still all R160 (although it shouldn't be, but thats a rant for another day)

but as for the (N), its really a crapshoot. 

This morning: 3 minute wait

Last night (7:40PM): 25 minute wait + 2 R68s passing

 

you don't really know what you're gonna get, so I plan ahead and leave my house an hour earlier in the AM and plan to be home an hour later in the evening

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1 minute ago, darkstar8983 said:

Well the (Q) is still all R160 (although it shouldn't be, but thats a rant for another day)

but as for the (N), its really a crapshoot. 

This morning: 3 minute wait

Last night (7:40PM): 25 minute wait + 2 R68s passing

you don't really know what you're gonna get, so I plan ahead and leave my house an hour earlier in the AM and plan to be home an hour later in the evening

I noticed two trainsets of 75 footers are assigned to the line during rush hour according to the ERA Bulletin though. Overall, I'm just saying it's best to do that when you are not going to work/school. The (N), (Q), and (W) will eventually be back to 100% NTTs when those crappy ass R46s retire from service for good. I will not miss them except for the (C), (R), and (S) Rockaway Park Shuttle.

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7 minutes ago, Jemorie said:

I noticed two trainsets of 75 footers are assigned to the line during rush hour according to the ERA Bulletin though. Overall, I'm just saying it's best to do that when you are not going to work/school. The (N), (Q), and (W) will eventually be back to 100% NTTs when those crappy ass R46s retire from service for good. I will not miss them except for the (C), (R), and (S) Rockaway Park Shuttle.

to the (Q)

Yeah in the PM, an R68 (B) train goes to Coney Island in the PM after finishing its rush hour run and gets changed over to the (Q) to maintain a 7-minute headway on the (Q) until about 9PM. And you have that R46 (R) in the morning that changes to the (Q) for the 8:15AM departure (or 8:08AM if there is a delay on the (Q)) from 96 St.

 

but now aside from that, there is an extra R46 on the (Q) (that is NOT a Sea Beach (Q) to 96 St which will be an (N) southbound) 

 

and glad to see that I'm not the only one who hates the R46s (especially in Astoria)

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21 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

to the (Q)

Yeah in the PM, an R68 (B) train goes to Coney Island in the PM after finishing its rush hour run and gets changed over to the (Q) to maintain a 7-minute headway on the (Q) until about 9PM. And you have that R46 (R) in the morning that changes to the (Q) for the 8:15AM departure (or 8:08AM if there is a delay on the (Q)) from 96 St.

but now aside from that, there is an extra R46 on the (Q) (that is NOT a Sea Beach (Q) to 96 St which will be an (N) southbound) 

and glad to see that I'm not the only one who hates the R46s (especially in Astoria)

Yes.

And I see. Gotcha.

And yeah.

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30 minutes ago, TheNewYorkElevated said:

On an interesting note from the IRT, Westchester set 2470-2475 is now apart of the (1). Just spotted a few days ago heading northbound. 

I just saw it at 14th a few mins ago. Its been there for 2 months I believe, wonder if its permanent or just a loan

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3 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

to the (Q)

Yeah in the PM, an R68 (B) train goes to Coney Island in the PM after finishing its rush hour run and gets changed over to the (Q) to maintain a 7-minute headway on the (Q) until about 9PM. And you have that R46 (R) in the morning that changes to the (Q) for the 8:15AM departure (or 8:08AM if there is a delay on the (Q)) from 96 St.

 

but now aside from that, there is an extra R46 on the (Q) (that is NOT a Sea Beach (Q) to 96 St which will be an (N) southbound) 

 

and glad to see that I'm not the only one who hates the R46s (especially in Astoria)

That's basically a N to 96/Sea Beach Q, they always start at 86 St on Sea Beach to 96-2 & then go back as an N (Basically a N short-turn)

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49 minutes ago, DaPr03 said:

That's basically a N to 96/Sea Beach Q, they always start at 86 St on Sea Beach to 96-2 & then go back as an N (Basically a N short-turn)

I mean there's a regular R46 (Q). NOT a short-turn (N).

 

Last week, an R46 (Q) headed southbound at Times Square around 9:35AM, THEN the short-turn (N) from 96 St came in right behind it (also an R46)

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2 hours ago, subway4832 said:

I just saw it at 14th a few mins ago. Its been there for 2 months I believe, wonder if its permanent or just a loan

Looks like its here to stay. That set came with 2466-2470 and those cars got the red stripes back (They came with the green stripes from the 6 in December).

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with the sudden retirements of the 32s this is what we have left: (correct me if there are any errors)

207 St Yard: (124 cars) 

3360-61, 3376-77, 3380-81, 3388-89, 3394-97, 3400-01, 3410-11, 3414-15, 3430-33, 3438-39, 3442-43, 3446-49, 3460-61, 3476-77, 3488-89, 3500-01, 3512-15, 3550-51, 3574-75, 3606-07, 3614-15, 3642-43, 3646-47, 3654-55, 3664-65, 3670-73, 3706-10, 3714-19, 3726-27, 3736-39, 3772-73, 3778-83, 3792-93, 3798-99, 3804-05, 3810-11, 3820-21, 3828-29, 3840-41, 3856-57, 3864-65, 3886-87, 3894-95, 3912-13, 3924-25, 3928-29, 3932-33, 3938-39 

3444-3777, 3520-3891, 3621-3644, 3628-3669  

Work Pairs:

3494-95, 3510-11, 3552-53, 3642-43, 3694-95 (10 cars)

134 cars left for now. 

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3 hours ago, DaPr03 said:

That's basically a N to 96/Sea Beach Q, they always start at 86 St on Sea Beach to 96-2 & then go back as an N (Basically a N short-turn)

When they were R160s, they signed those 96th St-bound (N) trains as (Q)’s. Now they seem to have gone back to calling them (N)’s, like they did prior to 2017, when they ran express and terminated at 57th. At least from what I’ve seen the past few days at 34th. And today at Canal, I got an (N) signed for 57th St. The displays didn’t even cycle. They stayed on 57th/7th the whole time. The train was headed to 96th St, but I didn’t know that until the train entered 42nd St on the express tracks and the conductor announced that. And you have to depend on the PA system to be working in your car and the conductor’s willingness to announce the stops (they probably aren’t used to doing after having mostly R160s for so many years). And the CI shop forces have to fix those LCD signs, which have always been trouble-prone (yep, even just a few years post-GOH, those signs would be blank or stuck on the wrong destination).

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48 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

When they were R160s, they signed those 96th St-bound (N) trains as (Q)’s. Now they seem to have gone back to calling them (N)’s, like they did prior to 2017, when they ran express and terminated at 57th. At least from what I’ve seen the past few days at 34th. And today at Canal, I got an (N) signed for 57th St. The displays didn’t even cycle. They stayed on 57th/7th the whole time. The train was headed to 96th St, but I didn’t know that until the train entered 42nd St on the express tracks and the conductor announced that. And you have to depend on the PA system to be working in your car and the conductor’s willingness to announce the stops (they probably aren’t used to doing after having mostly R160s for so many years). And the CI shop forces have to fix those LCD signs, which have always been trouble-prone (yep, even just a few years post-GOH, those signs would be blank or stuck on the wrong destination).

The reason why 160s are signed up as Q via Sea Beach to 96 St is because there's no N program to 96 St, It's kinda odd that they have one FROM 96, but not TO it.

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25 minutes ago, DaPr03 said:

The reason why 160s are signed up as Q via Sea Beach to 96 St is because there's no N program to 96 St, It's kinda odd that they have one FROM 96, but not TO it.

That is kind of odd and I was kind of surprised they never added one. I would think it would be relatively easy to add it on the R160s, as opposed to doing it on, say, the much older R46s. 

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There's a mixture in fleet at the Coney Island Yard: the (N)(W) and (Q) has 160s with 46s. The (G) has R68/As and 46s as a 4-car train. The (B) is currently its regular R68/As. 

The current 160 that went to Jamaica Yard from Coney Island has its flip-up seats attached: 8658-8662/8763-8767, 

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4 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

I mean there's a regular R46 (Q). NOT a short-turn (N).

 

Last week, an R46 (Q) headed southbound at Times Square around 9:35AM, THEN the short-turn (N) from 96 St came in right behind it (also an R46)

 

18 minutes ago, Calvin said:

There's a mixture in fleet at the Coney Island Yard: the (N)(W) and (Q) has 160s with 46s.

I can confirm that there is an R46 in regular service on the (Q), not just short-turns, this was at 6:15 PM today...: 

 

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