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39 minutes ago, RTOMan said:

BTW the Fox is now 100 percent R160's operated 8803 and 8712 myself yesterday...

Just like how it should have been from the very beginning anyway, besides the R160 phase-in in the late 2000s and the Montague Street Tunnel Closure (August 2013-Spetmber 2014).

But if only the (MTA) had ordered a few more R160s before they realized it was too late and eventually realized the mainline R44s needed to be retired.

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24 minutes ago, S78 via Hylan said:

The (F) Line. “Fox” is nato code for “F”

Some examples:

Alpha = (A) 

Bravo = (B) 

Charlie = (C) 

Delta = (D) 

Echo = (E) 

Fox or “Foxtrot” = (F) 

Gulf = (G) 

Hotel = (H) 

 

 

I’ve heard the (A) line referred to Alpha along with  Apple on the radio. And the (G) line is referred to as George not Gulf. 
 

Random: I was so happy to snag a Siemens 160 on my last half on the Nancy today. I don’t mind the 46 equipment, but it’s nice to get a break on a tech train and they’re so much more comfortable.

Well all tech trains except for the 179’s, I’d rather a SMEE :)

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Mainly, all B Division lines have a lettered nickname from previous examples like (N) ancy, (D) elta, (Q) unicy, (R) omeo (M) arrys (W) hiskey. 

 

IRT lines just represent numbers (#) (1-7) except the 42 St (S) is the 0. 

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0 = zero
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5 hours ago, S78 via Hylan said:

The (F) Line. “Fox” is nato code for “F”

Some examples:

Alpha or Apple = (A) 

Bravo = (B) 

Charlie = (C) 

Delta = (D) 

Echo = (E) 

Fox or “Foxtrot” = (F) 

Gulf or George = (G) 

Hotel = (H) 

 

 

It seems like the Transit letter code is a mix of the NATO phonetic alphabet, law enforcement alphabets and others which I’m not sure of. (D)elta, (Q)unicy, (R)omeo and (W)hiskey are the same as NATO, like @Calvin said. @Bill from Maspeth and @Jchambers2120 posted the names (A)pple, (F)ox, (G)eorge, (M)ary and (N)ancy, but only (G)eorge and (M)ary are from the police alphabet.

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46 minutes ago, RTOMan said:

Correction It was 8897-9013 set i operated that on my last half coming from STL last night..

Sucka had spotted wheels though.. Kinda killed my mojo with that Siemens propulsion...

Why is this still the only Siemens set at Jamaica?

(and it’s 8893-8897 and 9013-9017)

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This set has been at Jamaica for a while now.
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2 hours ago, Snorunts said:

Probably because they want all the Alstom sets to be transferred first.

Stupid question, forgive me lol. but Is there a specific reason they want the Alstoms at Jamaica first as opposed to the Siemens? Is it because most of the CBTC Retrofits were done on the Alstoms first? 

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1 hour ago, subway4832 said:

Stupid question, forgive me lol. but Is there a specific reason they want the Alstoms at Jamaica first as opposed to the Siemens? Is it because most of the CBTC Retrofits were done on the Alstoms first? 

My guess is because shop forces at Jamaica are more familiar with the Alstoms. Prior to the big fleet switch, all of Jamaica’s R160s had the Alstom propulsion. From what I’ve been reading, it would appear Jamaica will need more than just the Alstom R160s at CI, so some Siemens cars will eventually head to Queens. Also, CI may have sent just that one train up there to familiarize the shop forces and the train crews with the Siemens R160s before they send more.

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3 hours ago, Jemorie said:

 now that we reached the end of the workweek, how many R46s are left at Jamaica Yard?

5486-5497, 5502-5505, 5518-5525, 5530-5537, 5542-5553, 5558-5569, 5578-5597, 5602-5605, 5614-5617, 5622-5629, 5642-5645, 5650-5689, 5698-5701, 5714-5717, 5722-5725, 5730-5749, 5758-5797, 5806-5817, 5830-5833, and 5838-5849, 5862-5877 (31 trains) CI 

 

5482-5485, 5498-5501, 5506-5517, 5526-5529, 5538-5541, 5554-5557, 5570-5577, 5598-5601, 5606-5613, 5618-5625, 5630-5641, 5646-5649, 5690-5697, 5702-5713 , 5718-5721, 5726-5729, 5750-5757, 5798-5805, 5818-5829, 5834-5837, 5850-5861,  (18.4 trains) JAM

 

CI set assignment: 5482-5841, 5842-5877

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I was interested in the discussion in the Random Thoughts thread on (N)(Q)(R)(W) on-time performance in the wake of the R46/R160 swap, so I went through the board materials and crudely pasted together weekday OTP info for all of 2019.

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OTP for the (N)(W) fluctuated all last year. In particular there was a noticeable jump in August once the (N) returned to using the express tracks between 36 St and 59 St in Brooklyn (Several other lines also saw improved performance in August). (N) service to Coney Island ended on October 21 but it's hard to say what impact, if any, that had on OTP. There were also other events last year like signals being retimed, speed limits being raised on certain areas of track, and schedule changes (which might include runtime changes). The R46/R160 swap started early in December and we do see OTP drop on the (N) and (W) and rise on the (F) and (R) from December to January. But of course there are so many factors affecting performance and OTP is changing every month so I wouldn't blame the swap just yet. It'll be interesting to see the numbers for this month when they come out. 

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38 minutes ago, Mysterious2train said:

I was interested in the discussion in the Random Thoughts thread on (N)(Q)(R)(W) on-time performance in the wake of the R46/R160 swap, so I went through the board materials and crudely pasted together weekday OTP info for all of 2019.

iM2cF7k.png

OTP for the (N)(W) fluctuated all last year. In particular there was a noticeable jump in August once the (N) returned to using the express tracks between 36 St and 59 St in Brooklyn (Several other lines also saw improved performance in August). (N) service to Coney Island ended on October 21 but it's hard to say what impact, if any, that had on OTP. There were also other events last year like signals being retimed, speed limits being raised on certain areas of track, and schedule changes (which might include runtime changes). The R46/R160 swap started early in December and we do see OTP drop on the (N) and (W) and rise on the (F) and (R) from December to January. But of course there are so many factors affecting performance and OTP is changing every month so I wouldn't blame the swap just yet. It'll be interesting to see the numbers for this month when they come out. 

Nah it's OBVIOUSLY the R46s fault. R46s break down all the time and because of that the (N) and (W) are suffering so now I gotta pay extra to get an Uber so I don't have to suffer the consequences of the swap. [/s]

You do bring a good point about signals and retiming of certain sections of lines tho.

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@Mysterious2train and @MysteriousBtrain, another thing to note is running times. The last time I've checked the official timetables, they were extended at selected times during off-peak hours. Hence why these trains are more "on-time". I'll probably review all lines' official timetables sometime later on or so to see if I'm not mistaken.

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On 2/20/2020 at 2:18 PM, Jchambers2120 said:

I’ve heard the (A) line referred to Alpha along with  Apple on the radio. And the (G) line is referred to as George not Gulf. 
 

Random: I was so happy to snag a Siemens 160 on my last half on the Nancy today. I don’t mind the 46 equipment, but it’s nice to get a break on a tech train and they’re so much more comfortable.

Well all tech trains except for the 179’s, I’d rather a SMEE :)

I read this like, "Aren't you in the A div?" Then I remembered you were in a transfer class. Congrats!

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