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On 4/26/2020 at 10:42 PM, Calvin said:

The Siemens between Jamaica and C.I are 1/2 in groups and a straight number movement:

At Jamaica Yard, 8843-8887, 8893-8912, 8918-8937, 8943-8977, 8983-9002 with 5-car breaks: 9013-9017 and 9053-9057. 

Coney Island has 9003-9012, 9018-9052, 9058-9102. Scrambled 5-car sets: 8888-8892, 8913-8917, 8938-8942, 8978-8982.

 

Also,  the swap between Jamaica/Coney Island moved quickly compared to the (6) and (7)  reaching Spring 2020 as their deadline despite the essential service.

As of April 27 there were 125 cars 8888-92, 9013-17, 8933-37, 8938-42, 8978-82, 8993-97, 9003-9012 and 9018-9102 (9018 & up, all) at Coney Island used on (N) and (Q).

The balance (1,165) are at Jamaica ((E)(F)(R)).

Same for May 1...

No changes are expected until whenever:blush:

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3 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said:

As of April 27 there were 125 cars 8888-92, 9013-17, 8933-37, 8938-42, 8978-82, 8993-97, 9003-9012 and 9018-9102 (9018 & up, all) at Coney Island used on (N) and (Q).

The balance (1,165) are at Jamaica ((E)(F)(R)).

Same for May 1...

No changes are expected until whenever:blush:

8913-8917 is kept at Coney Island, it was on the (Q) . 8933-8937 is at Jamaica, last month, it was spotted as an (F) to Jamaica-179 St at Neptune Av. 

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On 4/30/2020 at 12:10 AM, 1998NewFlyer said:

Are the r46s all gone from Jamaica? 

Djhammers posted a video about the last days of R46s In the (R) service, so this can be the end of CBTC And the CIY will only have little Siemens left so, yeah.

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I think one reason the Jamaica/Coney Island swap happened so much faster than the (6)(7) swap is the fact that it is a much simpler route and can be done while trains are in service.  An R46 (F) could just run down to CI in the morning rush, go out of service, and come back into service as an (N)(Q)(W).  The same was true for R160's going to Jamaica.  They could put Coney Island based R160's into service as (F) trains, which would go to Jamaica Yard after completing their runs.  As was also mentioned, they swapped some cars by running them on extra (G) trains.

With the (6)(7) swap, R62A's had to do a very complex set of moves to get from the Flushing Line to Westchester Yard.

Corona Yard-Hunterspoint Ave

Hunterspoint Ave-39th Ave

39th Ave-Atlantic Barclays (N)

Atlantic Barclays-Concourse Yard

Concourse Yard to 86th Street (4)(5)

86th Street-Westchester Yard

 

For moves between divisions, how does it work with the train crews?  My understanding is that normal train crews aren't qualified to work on the other division, so they would either have to change crews, or use work train crews who I believe are qualified on both divisions.

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The first mumbling can be discerned about starting storage car dispositions.

Evidently NYCT is setting up a Silk Road Transport (or whoever) agreement to begin removal of surplus R-32 and R-42 equipment very imminently.

Maybe already?

You never know how far this might go with other equipment as well.

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5 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said:

The first mumbling can be discerned about starting storage car dispositions.

Evidently NYCT is setting up a Silk Road Transport (or whoever) agreement to begin removal of surplus R-32 and R-42 equipment very imminently.

Maybe already?

You never know how far this might go with other equipment as well.

 

That sounds right. Silk Road are the guys who delivered the R179s.

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Seems rather odd to me that they would contract with a company based all the way out in Steuben County instead of closer to home.  That and the fact that it's by tractor trailer on the road- way more inefficient than what the MTA used to do.  In the '80s, new cars and those returning from GOH came in by rail, and the cars being scrapped were sent out by barge to NJ.  Economy of scale.

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In terms of removing old equipment, I don't think anything was more efficient than the reef program.  Load the cars up 50 at a time and dump them.  Whether it was good for the environment or not is what's questionable, and why it was discontinued.

As far as delivering new equipment, I'm not sure why new cars aren't delivered by rail anymore.  It last happened with the R142's.  Are the rail lines once used no longer active?

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7 hours ago, danielhg121 said:

Isn't Silk Road Trucking going bankrupt which is why MTA had to find another company to truck cars away?

Silk Road Transport is back in operations since some time in April after a several week suspension.

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3 hours ago, R10 2952 said:

Seems rather odd to me that they would contract with a company based all the way out in Steuben County instead of closer to home.  That and the fact that it's by tractor trailer on the road- way more inefficient than what the MTA used to do.  In the '80s, new cars and those returning from GOH came in by rail, and the cars being scrapped were sent out by barge to NJ.  Economy of scale.

There are few suppliers for the specialty service required.

Another similar company has been engaged by others (China Rail Car Co. known).

The ecological advantages of Reefing failed to overcome the political opposition in some locations.  Plus the much higher cost to properly prepare (strip) the car bodies.

NYCT last removed subway equipment to Sims Metals (Newark) in 2013 by Silk Road Transport specialty "cradle" (flatbed) trailer via the GWB in reverse.

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On 5/7/2020 at 9:01 PM, R32 3838 said:

I don't even know why they're bothering with getting a scrap contract when the first R211 isn't even here yet. they're gonna have to remove R46's as well when they retire. It makes no sense.

The R179s are supposed to replace the R42s and the R32s why wait for the R211 delivery when they’re supposed to replace the R46s. B r u h

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1 hour ago, Jacob said:

The R179s are supposed to replace the R42s and the R32s why wait for the R211 delivery when they’re supposed to replace the R46s. B r u h

 

R179's were not supposed to retire all the R32's, only half of them. hence why they were suppose to retire 110 cars by Q1/Q2 2022

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19 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

3146 and others are on the (C) I don't know the reason but that came from ENY yard. 

This is just a guess, but maybe because the (Z) is still suspended, they don't need as many sets in ENY temporarily.  When skip stop is in effect, the (J)(Z) combined run every 5 minutes, but I believe they're only running every 8 minutes now.  So for now the (C) can use their extra trains and have a more uniform fleet with 480 foot R179's.

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7 hours ago, MeeP15-9112 said:

Maybe the TA is doing the old summer swap, with the 32s heading over to the (J) and NTTs going over to the (C).

The R32s is retired my good friend.....C trains uses R179 and R46

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