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22 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

Planned assignments starting Monday:

(C) : R46 and 8 car R160
(A): R46 and 10 car R160
(J) : R143/160 and R32

There are some spares on the (F) available to be moved and some R160s are moving from the Culver yard to 207 St/Pitkin at this moment.

Remember the keyword is "planned" and it could change between now and Monday.

The 10-car R160’s from either Culver yard or Jamaica yard are not going anywhere as of yet. It MAY be the 46’s from Coney Island yard to be transferred. 

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https://mcusercontent.com/53077b4eb8363107e691b3757/files/97a5e439-b70b-410d-a741-f378ca731583/June_2020_ERA_Bulletin.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0JwhQHcIoLKMZje00MHmfp3K6WqZq-aNLqbjSsE83aeRxdbxR5J1uVwaE

The bulletin seemed to have the update: The (Q) fleet does have the change but it's the other way around. Also, no more R46s from on the (R) from that list.  

The leftover R160s appear more on the (Q) , at least 6 with 3 on the (N)(W) .  Meanwhile, the R46 (G) amount rotates with the (N)(W) in exchange of their R68s. 

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3 hours ago, Calvin said:

https://mcusercontent.com/53077b4eb8363107e691b3757/files/97a5e439-b70b-410d-a741-f378ca731583/June_2020_ERA_Bulletin.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0JwhQHcIoLKMZje00MHmfp3K6WqZq-aNLqbjSsE83aeRxdbxR5J1uVwaE

The bulletin seemed to have the update: The (Q) fleet does have the change but it's the other way around. Also, no more R46s from on the (R) from that list.  

The leftover R160s appear more on the (Q) , at least 6 with 3 on the (N)(W) .  Meanwhile, the R46 (G) amount rotates with the (N)(W) in exchange of their R68s. 

The R160s on the (Q) are probably temporary while the (W) is out. but once the (W) is restored, all the remaining R160Bs from Coney Island Yard are expected to run on the (N)(W), leaving the (Q) with all R46s (and the 1 PM Rush hour R68 changed over from the (B) and the AM Rush R160 from Jamaica that comes from the 96 St-bound (R) train run.

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44 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

The R160s on the (Q) are probably temporary while the (W) is out. but once the (W) is restored, all the remaining R160Bs from Coney Island Yard are expected to run on the (N)(W), leaving the (Q) with all R46s (and the 1 PM Rush hour R68 changed over from the (B) and the AM Rush R160 from Jamaica that comes from the 96 St-bound (R) train run.

I just understand why the (Q) will no longer have r160A/B ?

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2 minutes ago, vioreen said:

I just understand why the (Q) will no longer have r160A/B ?

Its likely due to Ditmars Blvd being a terminal for both the (N) and (W). The (Q) was slated to not use R68s likely due to the rollsign issues not displaying 96 St-2 Av/Manhattan on the top rollsign on the R68As, but yet they are present on some of the R68s. That also forces R68s and R68As on the (N)(W), even though that leads to mislabeled trains should a train switch from the (N) to the (W) or vice versa when they arrive at Ditmars. The R160s are therefore better suited for Astoria because of that issue (also the reason why the initial R160 delivery prior to 2010 left the Coney Island R160s on the (N)(W), and the (Q) was only 50/50 R160s and R68s).

That leaves only R46s to run on the (Q). 

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42 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

Its likely due to Ditmars Blvd being a terminal for both the (N) and (W). The (Q) was slated to not use R68s likely due to the rollsign issues not displaying 96 St-2 Av/Manhattan on the top rollsign on the R68As, but yet they are present on some of the R68s. That also forces R68s and R68As on the (N)(W), even though that leads to mislabeled trains should a train switch from the (N) to the (W) or vice versa when they arrive at Ditmars. The R160s are therefore better suited for Astoria because of that issue (also the reason why the initial R160 delivery prior to 2010 left the Coney Island R160s on the (N)(W), and the (Q) was only 50/50 R160s and R68s).

There's 5 that's stated for the (N) and (W).  However, they chose not to move the few to the (Q)  instead of having the R46 as an exchange to avoid rollsign errors. 

Also with the R160 on the (Q) , it could also be b.c of the Sea Beach trippers: (N) to 96 St

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44 minutes ago, Calvin said:

There's 5 that's stated for the (N) and (W).  However, they chose not to move the few to the (Q)  instead of having the R46 as an exchange to avoid rollsign errors. 

Also with the R160 on the (Q) , it could also be b.c of the Sea Beach trippers: (N) to 96 St

Those R46’s are plaguing the (Q) with delays, late arrivals and frequent mechanical failures. They have a few R68’s and 68A’s that display 96ST-2AV, they need to take inventory on which sets have them, and keep them on reserve for the (Q) line only. Those R46’s need to be assigned to the (B) it’s part time and has two different Northern terminals. 

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It looks like there are 26 R-32s ready by Monday on (J)(Z) (So far).

3360/61, 3396/97, 3436/37, 3444/3777, 3574/75, 3646/47, 3706/07, 3714/15, 3772/73, 3774/75, 3840/41, 3888/89, 3894/95.

From inspection but done for Work Service, um not for....hmmm...  Wait a minute!

Unknown how many R-32s COULD be reactivated but might know by end of weekend.  That assessment is underway now.

And for a budget$$$????...

For sure not all 222 but probably well over 100 is a guess.

Best I can find there are only 10 possible R-42s for use if required and/or "deemed" (not enough to be worthwhile?).

IF they go through inspection.  Only four in use for work service and school car.

That leaves 36 R-42s O/O/S, probably for good (but we NEVER know do we??).

Two "spare" CBTC R-160A-1s from Canarsie are filched for 207 as of yesterday (June 4).

The trouble is ENY now requires two complete fleets for the two different CBTC systems:  Canarsie and Queens --NOT compatible or transferable, no fleet flexibility what so ever.

ENY cannot spare the ones at 207 formerly as these are now Queens CBTC and precious to fill schedule for (M).

The R-179 problems were forcing use of R-143s on again in middle of May as it was.

30 of 40 remaining Siemens R-160s shipped to Jamaica immediately.  Minus 8913-17 and 9008-12 so far, add 9018-22.

Looks like six Jamaicas have moved over to "Pitkin" (Rock Park) for (A) Specials starting Monday.

Speculation at my end:  46 more R-32s in line for round two, maybe 26 more perhaps for round three??  Possible total of 98 (12 Trains) @ ENY?

Altogether that would be roughly HALF of what would be required for complete service on (J)(Z).

 

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Just now, MHV9218 said:

Here's a question about this, looking at the videos from today: when was the last time 10-car consists of any sort ran through the BMT Nassau Line out towards East New York? That's got to be a total rarity.

 

they did this a few years ago when they were transfering R32's to ENY, or when they went back to 207th st.

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1 minute ago, R32 3838 said:

they did this a few years ago when they were transfering R32's to ENY, or when they went back to 207th st.

Interesting, I thought they came over in 8-car sets then since they were leaving (C) service / leaving (J) service retrospectively. I don't remember them going directly between the (A) and the (J) since the A/C summer swap (what was that, 2012?) came before the C/J swap. 

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On ‎6‎/‎4‎/‎2020 at 6:17 PM, Lawrence St said:

At this point the (MTA) really needs to stop listening to Albany on retiring the R32's. The R179's have failed so many times to the point of TWO fleet-wide R179 out of service notices. These problems are especially serious from door problems to cars detaching from one another while in service.

The R32's and R42's must remain in service until the R211's get here. When the subway returns to a somewhat normal level of ridership, we need to keep reliable cars on stand by until the R211's get here. Cuomo does not understand that the R179's are problematic, he is not a car inspector.

It's obvious you don't get who runs the MTA.   And for as often as you post on this site, I am shocked you don't understand the following truth yet.  You say"...…….MTA really needs to stop listening to Albany....." 

"Albany" is governor Cuomo.  MTA listens to Cuomo because Cuomo is in charge of the MTA, not MTA Chairman Patrick Foye.  Patrick Foye has his position at the pleasure of Gov. Cuomo.  All MTA Board Members serve at the pleasure of some politician.  Therefore MTA ALWAYS listens to Albany.

Do you understand the pecking order now?

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