Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

[bwwnyc123]

4 minutes ago, happy283 said:

How about you get a goddamn dictionary and look up fact and opinion. Everyone on this forum except for you seems to know what it means. I actually am getting an education unlike the mediocre one you must have.

You are all idiots. One person could be Right and Everyone Else could be Wrong. 

[bwwnyc123]

13 minutes ago, happy283 said:

You have the right to express your opinion but you are treating them as facts and ridiculing others for pointing that out. It may have been an honest mistake which everyone makes but you should have explained it that way in the beginning without inciting everyone 

Because you don't know the differences between Fact and Opinion that is Not My Problem.

[MysteriousBtrain]

You guys are wasting thread space by doing all this off-topic arguing. Take it to the inbox now please.

[bwwnyc123]

2 hours ago, AlgorithmOfTruth said:

Here's some advice to you: Know who you're talking to before lecturing them next time.

Like I said Learn How To Read. Know The Differences Between Fact and Opinion, Is It  Not My Fault you all Don't Know The Difference. Reading Is Fundamental. 

So far my Opinion is True. R179 may return if they are all completely Fixed, Inspected, and in Good Safety Conditions, or they may return if they are all Fixed, Inspected and in Good Safety Conditions. So far either they are just Sitting in the Train yards or are they really being Fixed Now.

One Person could be Right and Everyone Else could be Wrong.

Edited June 17, 2020 by bwwnyc123

[SevenEleven]

The R179s are out of service indefinitely. Indefinitely meaning not having a defined time period. We use it in place of forever but that's not what it means.

The fleet has to be inspected, fixed and cleared for service. Those are the facts.

You saying that the fleet may or may not returned based on those two points is your opinion. TA is not going to junk an entire fleet.

An opinion is just how you feel about something. Your thoughts are yours but it cannot be passed off as a fact. I'm an admin, that's a fact. Am I a good admin? That's everyone's opinions.

Now everyone continue this discussion like grown adults and children because I will be handing out punishments like we're 2. Stop it.

[bwwnyc123]

10 minutes ago, SevenEleven said:

The R179s are out of service indefinitely. Indefinitely meaning not having a defined time period. We use it in place of forever but that's not what it means.

The fleet has to be inspected, fixed and cleared for service. Those are the facts.

You saying that the fleet may or may not returned based on those two points is your opinion. TA is not going to junk an entire fleet.

An opinion is just how you feel about something. Your thoughts are yours but it cannot be passed off as a fact. I'm an admin, that's a fact. Am I a good admin? That's everyone's opinions.

Now everyone continue this discussion like grown adults and children because I will be handing out punishments like we're 2. Stop it.

Reading is Fundamental.  

That is a Opinion not Fact because you all don't know the difference. That Is Not My Fault. Go Back to A Reading Class.

An Example of Fact is:

R179 will not Return.

R179 will Return.

 

Opinion is:

R179 may return or may not return.

So far I am right they did not return yet until they are all completely Fixed,  Inspected and In Good Safety Conditions. So far most of them are just sitting in the train yards or they probably really are getting fixed now.

Edited June 17, 2020 by bwwnyc123

[VIP]

If anyone is interested, another Siemens set was added to the  line; R160B 8958-8962/8858-8862

Edited June 17, 2020 by VIP

[Deucey]

1 hour ago, bwwnyc123 said:

You need to learn how to read my full original post instead of chopping up my words. Go back to school and learn how to read you don't even the differences between Fact and Opinion.

 

are currently mixed fleet using R46/R68 & R68A/R160.

 

 

both using most of 100% R68 & R68A fleet of the Subway System.

 

both using R46/R160 and one set of R68/R68A on for PM Rush Hours.

 

100% R160.

 

R143/R160.

 

R68 & R68A/R46.

 

Franklin Av R68

 

Rockaway Park R46

 

 

R62A 

R62

R142

R142/R142A 

R188

 

Current Subway Cars are reliable:

R46/R68 & R68A/R R143/R160 

R62/R62A, R142/R142A & R188.

(R179 are Currently out of service it may or may not return to service depends if they are fixed or repaired properly. Until further Notice....)

R44/R46/R68 had some major issues when they first started, and now they are so reliable after getting fixed and repairs so many times. They still continue to fix and repairs in the Train yards to all of the Subway Cars. Hopefully R179 will become reliable too if they are brought back to the system.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I read your post, and yes you presented it as fact.

I'm also seeing you start a flame war because others have said the same. So now I'm not only telling you to stop, I'm putting you on time out in the hopes that when it's over, you'll have found both a better way to communicate when you're in disagreement and you've calmed down.

[Bill from Maspeth]

3 hours ago, AlgorithmOfTruth said:

Here's some advice to you: Know who you're talking to before lecturing them next time.

Who is he?  Some big shot at MTA? 

Maybe when he tells me (first/top post on the previous page) that I "should learn how to read better" maybe HE shouldn't be lecturing ME?

You think I'm afraid of him?  hardy har har!  What is he going to do, stop my pension and social security?

Edited June 17, 2020 by Bill from Maspeth

[Bill from Maspeth]

2 hours ago, bwwnyc123 said:

That is a true opinion either they will return or they will not return. Currently R179 are out of service because they all need to be fixed and in good safety conditions. Then they could return so hopefully they are fixing them all now or are they just sitting in the yards doing nothing. They may return or not return is a true opinion. You are mad because you don't know the differences between Fact and Opinion. All of the R179 cars may return or They may not return until they are completed fixed, Inspected and in good Safety conditions. You are just a fool go back to school and learn how to read better.

You are dense.  Of course I know the difference between fact and opinion.  I gave you my "credentials".  The fact of the matter is after I called you out on your post made yesterday at 7:42 AM, where YOU DID NOT STATE YOUR POST WAS AN OPINION PIECE, you stated it was an opinion in a later post after I called you out on it.

This whole discussion would have never happened if you stated in your posting that the cars may not come back at 7:42 AM yesterday that it was you opinion, and not after I and happy283 called you out on it.

So as not to quote an entire long other post, I did not question you on car assignments, I know exactly what cars run on each line.

Now I'll be the adult in this discussion as I will not respond to your rebuttal to this post.  You can have the last word, but I do now know, before I edited this post, that others agree with me as well.

Edited June 17, 2020 by Bill from Maspeth

[Calvin]

1 hour ago, bwwnyc123 said:

Try again to read my Full Original Post. Instead of chopping my words.

are currently mixed fleet using R46/R68 & R68A/R160.

 

both using most of 100% R68 & R68A fleet of the Subway System.

 

 

both using R46/R160 and one set of R68/R68A on for PM Rush Hours.

 

100% R160.

 

R143/R160.

 

R68 & R68A/R46.

 

Franklin Av R68

 

Rockaway Park R46

 

 

That would be the instead of the  

[Deucey]

For everyone here, just a reminder:

This is a fan site. The fights aren't necessary. No need to quote that guy or flex on him anymore.

We saw him. I posted the response. And when he's back, if he starts up again, we'll see him again.

Onto other topics, please.

[Fuseguy is Cool]

5 hours ago, SevenEleven said:

The R179s are out of service indefinitely. Indefinitely meaning not having a defined time period. We use it in place of forever but that's not what it means.

The fleet has to be inspected, fixed and cleared for service. Those are the facts.

You saying that the fleet may or may not returned based on those two points is your opinion. TA is not going to junk an entire fleet.

An opinion is just how you feel about something. Your thoughts are yours but it cannot be passed off as a fact. I'm an admin, that's a fact. Am I a good admin? That's everyone's opinions.

Now everyone continue this discussion like grown adults and children because I will be handing out punishments like we're 2. Stop it.

I think you said it best here my guy. Whoever thought the Transit Authority is going go scrap a brand new fleet isn't all there 😂😂

[trainfan22]

3397 is one of the R32s at Canarsie yard, I got a pic of it from my phone but my phone is a POS so I might not be able to post it.

 

 

[trainfan22]

[happy283]

4 hours ago, Fuseguy is Cool said:

 Whoever thought the Transit Authority is going go scrap a brand new fleet isn't all there 😂😂

I personally wouldnt mind them getting rid of the R179s pernamently but it just isnt rational especially if the MTA wants full service on all lines to promote social distance.

[Fuseguy is Cool]

11 hours ago, happy283 said:

I personally wouldnt mind them getting rid of the R179s pernamently but it just isnt rational especially if the MTA wants full service on all lines to promote social distance.

Lol honestly thats a waste of money imo. Bombardier royally screwed up from the mechanical problems to brakes to doors now decoupling? What's next? I think MTA wouldve scrapped the R179s if the R211s were tested and ready to enter service but thats not gonna happen anytime soon. With phase 2 starting Monday, it'll be interesting to see if any new car assignments take place since essential service will be pretty much over.

[happy283]

2 minutes ago, Fuseguy is Cool said:

With phase 2 starting Monday, it'll be interesting to see if any new car assignments take place since essential service will be pretty much over.

almost every line is currently running full service except the . The  will be running reduced until the Kings Hwy work is done which is months away but the  could resume at any time. If they do bring the  to full service, ENY would be forced to run its R32s which the union is opposed to due to the half cabs.

[Bill from Maspeth]

1 hour ago, Fuseguy is Cool said:

Lol honestly thats a waste of money imo. Bombardier royally screwed up from the mechanical problems to brakes to doors now decoupling? What's next? I think MTA wouldve scrapped the R179s if the R211s were tested and ready to enter service but thats not gonna happen anytime soon. With phase 2 starting Monday, it'll be interesting to see if any new car assignments take place since essential service will be pretty much over.

The R179's will not be scrapped once the R211's are here, PERIOD.  they will not piss away $600 million bucks, or whatever they cost for reasons already stated.

Plus don't blame Bombardier 100% for the problems.  The sub-contractors share much of the blame too.

[Kamen Rider]

Bombardier's problem is they now have a track record of epic fails. It's not just one link in a chain, it's all over the place. the TTC streetcars, the R179, TfL's Class 710 for the London Overground (which were so late Bombardier had to pay for free service on the Gospel Oak to Barking Line)… They were all built in different factories; Thunder Bay, Plattsburgh and Derby. What does that tell you? It tells me something is wrong in the company's decision making processes. 

[Bill from Maspeth]

2 hours ago, happy283 said:

almost every line is currently running full service except the . The  will be running reduced until the Kings Hwy work is done which is months away but the  could resume at any time. If they do bring the  to full service, ENY would be forced to run its R32s which the union is opposed to due to the half cabs.

ENY will not be forced to run the R32's if the union prevails.  They just won't run them.

The L won't need 4 minute headways even with Phase 2.  Lots of people will continue to work from home and others will drive to work.  Lots of commuters will not ride the subways.  It will take quite a while till they come back.

Edited June 18, 2020 by Bill from Maspeth

[Deucey]

2 hours ago, Fuseguy is Cool said:

I think MTA wouldve scrapped the R179s if the R211s were tested and ready to enter service but thats not gonna happen anytime soon.

Even without the perception of mismanaging funds,  won't ever scrap R179s - you can't just write-off half a billion dollars when you're a government entity (especially when it's backed by debt).

Even if they have to rebuild them,  will make them function. 

Unlike the 1980 Flxible Buses, these cannot be sold, so they'll end up being used on the B Division eventually.

[Fuseguy is Cool]

1 hour ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

The R179's will not be scrapped once the R211's are here, PERIOD.  they will not piss away $600 million bucks, or whatever they cost for reasons already stated.

Plus don't blame Bombardier 100% for the problems.  The sub-contractors share much of the blame too.

Yeah you are right and I agree but after all that's happened, I'm sure many riders are skeptical about riding the R179s. Who knows what can transpire next? When the R179s came out in 2017 they encountered so many mechanical problems then things just went downhill. The last thing we need is for another issue to occur this summer and the fleet needs to be pulled once again. 

[happy283]

17 minutes ago, Fuseguy is Cool said:

Yeah you are right and I agree but after all that's happened, I'm sure many riders are skeptical about riding the R179s. Who knows what can transpire next? When the R179s came out in 2017 they encountered so many mechanical problems then things just went downhill. The last thing we need is for another issue to occur this summer and the fleet needs to be pulled once again. 

Absolutely right, I am a regular  line rider and I love the R160s on the line. Whenever the R179s do come back I would seriously consider waiting for an R46 for the exact reasons you stated.

[happy283]

1 hour ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

ENY will not be forced to run the R32's if the union prevails.  They just won't run them.

The L won't need 4 minute headways even with Phase 2.  Lots of people will continue to work from home and others will drive to work.  Lots of commuters will not ride the subways.  It will take quite a while till they come back.

What happens when the trains get crowded. Some other users said certain lines have been standing room only.