Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

[T to Dyre Avenue]

On 4/12/2021 at 11:22 AM, beelinefan said:

The r46s at coney should go onto the  and and the r68s from those lines should go to the and until the 211s arrive.

Here’s why the MTA doesn’t want R46s on the ...

On 1/28/2021 at 3:15 PM, VIP said:

They don’t run those 46’s on the  because it goes to 145 and the Bronx. Let’s say the set needs some maintenance, concourse yard is the closest location for maintenance but the yard doesn’t have spare parts for R46’s. Gotta Also keep in mind that labor costs go up if Concourse takes on another car class. Having R32’s on the  in exchange for more R179’s on the  solves nothing because you’ll still end up with a spare cars shortage and higher maintenance costs.

 

[The TransitMan]

Ok I look back and there;s no mention of it sooooo...#9923-9937 was on the N as of yesterday evening making a southbound trip. Consist #9927-9923/9937-9933...spotted it at Broadway and 31st St.

It was also spotted at 96th St as a rush-hour N.

Edited April 15, 2021 by The TransitMan

[darkstar8983]

6 hours ago, The TransitMan said:

Ok I look back and there;s no mention of it sooooo...#9923-9937 was on the N as of yesterday evening making a southbound trip. Consist #9927-9923/9937-9933...spotted it at Broadway and 31st St.

It was also spotted at 96th St as a rush-hour N.

Don’t be surprised if you also see 9928-9932/9938-9942 on the  today

[VIP]

43 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

Don’t be surprised if you also see 9928-9932/9938-9942 on the  today

They’ve kept those cars coupled together for a reason. 😉

[darkstar8983]

50 minutes ago, VIP said:

They’ve kept those cars coupled together for a reason. 😉

Yes they did. It was for eventual transfer. Those cars were together for at least six months 

[Calvin]

6 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Don’t be surprised if you also see 9928-9932/9938-9942 on the  today

That, and 9923-7, 9933-7 were at QBL but on weekends, they tend to be testing on the Express tracks while the and  ran local before today. 

[Calvin]

R160 list: 

4-car sets all out of East New York Yard:

*8313-8376: has CBTC for Canarsie line, * 8377-8612: CBTC equipped cars reserved for line, Queens Blvd/53, 8613-8652, 9943-9974: use on   

 (*: can have CBTC turned off in-use for the  lines)

 

5-car sets:

* Queens Blvd  (full units to/with CBTC) out of Jamaica Yard: 8653-9832

*Reserved for Astoria line  out of Coney Island Yard: 9833-9942

 

R179 list:

3010-3049, 3238-3327 -> 5 car sets for the  

3050-3153 -> 4-car sets for the  

3154-3237 -> 4-car sets for the  

 

Edited April 17, 2021 by Calvin

[Maxwell179]

On 4/15/2021 at 8:38 AM, darkstar8983 said:

Don’t be surprised if you also see 9928-9932/9938-9942 on the  today

Ironically , I’m on 9938 right now 

[The TransitMan]

4 hours ago, Maxwell179 said:

Ironically , I’m on 9938 right now 

What line?

[Calvin]

2 minutes ago, The TransitMan said:

What line?

It's the . Saw it at Stillwell Av around 4 PM today.

[VIP]

20 hours ago, Calvin said:

R160 list: 

4-car sets all out of East New York Yard:

*8313-8376: has CBTC for Canarsie line, * 8377-8612: CBTC equipped cars reserved for line, Queens Blvd/53, 8613-8652, 9943-9974: use on   

 (*: can have CBTC turned off in-use for the  lines)

 

5-car sets:

* Queens Blvd  (full units to/with CBTC) out of Jamaica Yard: 8653-9832

*Reserved for Astoria line  out of Coney Island Yard: 9833-9942

 

R179 list:

3010-3049, 3238-3327 -> 5 car sets for the  

3050-3153 -> 4-car sets for the  

3154-3237 -> 4-car sets for the  

 

9848-9852/9838-9842 is back at Jamaica and currently on the  

[darkstar8983]

3 hours ago, VIP said:

9848-9852/9838-9842 is back at Jamaica and currently on the  

Guess that means 9833-9837/9843-9847 is also going back (or has gone back)  

Edited April 18, 2021 by darkstar8983

[Maxwell179]

On 4/18/2021 at 12:35 AM, The TransitMan said:

What line?

yeah , it was the  

[The TransitMan]

On 4/15/2021 at 8:38 AM, darkstar8983 said:

Don’t be surprised if you also see 9928-9932/9938-9942 on the  today

They've been rotated. Last night I was on 9932-9928/9923-9927...in that order...on the N.

[trainfan22]

Looks like even though normal service will be restored in the B div tomorrow the R32s will NOT be coming back. Unless 207th has been secretly prepping them and they will run on the or tomorrow... which I doubt.

 

 

Looks like the R32s are finally done!!!! With the city reopening in July perhaps they can finally have the last run and start scrapping these cars.

 

Edited May 2, 2021 by trainfan22

[RapidoNewLook]

1 hour ago, trainfan22 said:

Looks like even though normal service will be restored in the B div tomorrow the R32s will NOT be coming back. Unless 207th has been secretly prepping them and they will run on the or tomorrow... which I doubt.

 

 

Looks like the R32s are finally done!!!! With the city reopening in July perhaps they can finally have the last run and start scrapping these cars.

 

Then how can they run full service? Isn't there not enough cars?

[Vulturious]

44 minutes ago, RapidoNewLook said:

Then how can they run full service? Isn't there not enough cars?

They'll probably just reduce the spare factor, it's not like they haven't done that before.

[VIP]

18 minutes ago, Vulturious said:

They'll probably just reduce the spare factor, it's not like they haven't done that before.

That’s exactly what they’re going to do. 

[Calvin]

Looking at the total amount of 5-car R160s, the  both share 9 10-car trains total. 1200 cars = 120 10-car R160s is the total being that the  line uses the most amount followed by the  and the  . 

 

During the rush or on weekends, there will usually be 1-2 R160s from the  pool at C.I as spares but almost all of them are out. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Calvin

[trainfan22]

52 minutes ago, Vulturious said:

They'll probably just reduce the spare factor, it's not like they haven't done that before.

Yep, they did this when the R30 cars were retired with nothing replacing them until the R143s came along. NYCT made it work. This isn't the deferred maintenance era and the fairly young NTT's make up a good portion of the fleet. Things will be fine with the R32s retired.

 

 

They had a great run, 55+ years is an excellent run for a railcar.

[MHV9218]

39 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

Yep, they did this when the R30 cars were retired with nothing replacing them until the R143s came along. NYCT made it work. This isn't the deferred maintenance era and the fairly young NTT's make up a good portion of the fleet. Things will be fine with the R32s retired.

They had a great run, 55+ years is an excellent run for a railcar.

Probably right, except the R46s were doing badly even when there was no ridership. Never say never with the 32s given how rough the MDBF has been. If they didn't think there was a chance of using them, they wouldn't be keeping them prepped.

[darkstar8983]

2 hours ago, Calvin said:

Looking at the total amount of 5-car R160s, the  both share 9 10-car trains total. 1200 cars = 120 10-car R160s is the total being that the  line uses the most amount followed by the  and the  . 

 

During the rush or on weekends, there will usually be 1-2 R160s from the  pool at C.I as spares but almost all of them are out. 

I think that now with CBTC becoming active on QB, the run-times on the   and  lines need to be calculated to see if the number of cars needed for service can be changed. The run-time on the  following CBTC was reduced by about 4 minutes from Rockaway Pkwy to 8 Av (can someone please check this). The only difference is that since this is partial CBTC Activation, the service frequency increases possible are limited to what the non-Queens Blvd Portions of the lines can handle (example: Broadway can only accommodate 9  trains per hour to not interfere with the 14  trains scheduled, while the Williamsburg Bridge can only handle 12  trains plus the 12  trains scheduled). 

[Around the Horn]

4 hours ago, RapidoNewLook said:

Then how can they run full service? Isn't there not enough cars?

They were running full service before without the R32s. The only reason they returned is because the R179s had to be pulled for those inspections.

[R32 3838]

some of these comments are very dumb, look at the R46's can barely run right on the . they need more spares, and they didn't run 100% full service without the R32's. the R32's were pulled once covid was at it's peak and service was reduced.

8 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

Looks like even though normal service will be restored in the B div tomorrow the R32s will NOT be coming back. Unless 207th has been secretly prepping them and they will run on the or tomorrow... which I doubt.

 

 

Looks like the R32s are finally done!!!! With the city reopening in July perhaps they can finally have the last run and start scrapping these cars.

 

comments like this is why we had fleet shortages each decade since the 1980's. Also full service don't start tomorrow, only Full service. Full service is between June and July.

 

4 hours ago, MHV9218 said:

Probably right, except the R46s were doing badly even when there was no ridership. Never say never with the 32s given how rough the MDBF has been. If they didn't think there was a chance of using them, they wouldn't be keeping them prepped.

the idiots don't realize that the all of the R32's are not retired. they are in storage with 40% of the fleet retired with the remaining in storage. They still inspect a handful of cars.

 

Running with a low spare factor with the pandemic still going on is f**king retarded. because once a train goes OOS, there's no back up fleet meaning more crowded trains which we don't need until everyone gets their shots.

5 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

Yep, they did this when the R30 cars were retired with nothing replacing them until the R143s came along. NYCT made it work. This isn't the deferred maintenance era and the fairly young NTT's make up a good portion of the fleet. Things will be fine with the R32s retired.

 

 

They had a great run, 55+ years is an excellent run for a railcar.

 very very dumb take, the R30's weren't needed no more because they cut service to the rockaways and the R44 GOH was wrapping up in 93. after 90% of the R30 fleet was retired, The Metrocard was introduced and ridership exploded. thankfully the manhattan bridge work on the broadway side was still going on, that's why they made it work. if the bridge was full y open back then, the R30's would have been forced to stay until the early 2000's.

[Lawrence St]

I agree. There's absolutely no way they can run full service without bringing the R32's back.

If car equipment doesn't want to work on them, then have the R32's run only during the rush on the and send additional R46's to the . At least this way the door Motors won't fail as frequently and 207th St can keep an eye on them. They should only run them on the Rockaway Park trips.

Or they could sent the R32's to the Rockaway Park Shuttle and leave the R46's solely for the .

Edited May 3, 2021 by Lawrence St