DJ MC Posted September 14, 2013 Share #2101 Posted September 14, 2013 It's arguments like this that make me wish the R44s weren't retired early. This thread would be long dead and buried and we would have 600 foot trains on the . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted September 14, 2013 Share #2102 Posted September 14, 2013 Trains are serious business! Wow..... Brilliant contribution to this thread... You guys aren't helping... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted September 14, 2013 Share #2103 Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) DELETED Edited September 14, 2013 by realizm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted September 14, 2013 Share #2104 Posted September 14, 2013 Yeah I do apologize. Anyways I'm hearing that the R160s will stay on the for awhile 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted September 14, 2013 Share #2105 Posted September 14, 2013 Yeah I do apologize. Anyways I'm hearing that the R160s will stay on the for awhile If that were true, then there should be WAY less R32's on the by now which ain't the case at this time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted September 14, 2013 Share #2106 Posted September 14, 2013 You lost all credibility when you started name calling... He lost all credibility a WHILE back. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted September 15, 2013 Share #2107 Posted September 15, 2013 (edited) Well today marks the 49th anniversary of when the R32s first went into revenue service. By this point the cars have outlasted most if not all of the Lo-Vs, a majority of the BMT Standards, and some of the Hi-Vs. The picture below shows the cars in regular service on that very date. Edited September 15, 2013 by DJ MC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted September 16, 2013 Share #2108 Posted September 16, 2013 too bad if the UES riders don't want the old trains back, they can take taxis or buses to the west side if they don't like it. Regardless of what anyone says here, the overwhelming majority of riders simply don't care - it's a passing curiosity at best. Do you think West Siders traveling between Franklin and 135th let the 3 go to wait for the 2 so that they can get newer cars? Of course not - they take whichever comes first. By the way, can someone find any concrete proof the 160s were originally slated for Pitkin? I don't believe they were. Then we mus ask ourselves why the 30 day test on the took place initially ? This isn't a rumor here or wild speculation, this is an educated guess based on past patterns where it comes to new cars and acceptance testing. Recall the R142's were originally revenue service tested on the and it was a stunning success. So it is we still see R142's on the today assigned to 239/180th street yards. My point is that if the 30 day tests were indeed successful then the R160's would have indeed been assigned to Pitkin Yard after all. Of course, let me state for the record again so everyone is on the same page here that the early retirement of the R44's along with the circumstances regarding the Rockaways as I initially mentioned before changed everything. I think you're misunderstanding the purpose of the 30-day test. The purpose is for NYCT to verify that the train can operate for 30 consecutive days, in revenue service, without any serious malfunctions. If it can't, the manufacturer is on the hook to make whatever fixes are necessary, and then the 30-day clock starts again. The purpose is not for NYCT to try to figure out where the cars should run. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 16, 2013 Share #2109 Posted September 16, 2013 Ok.. But that was my point, the mta isn't making decisions because the ridership demanded things thru political means. That's why i never believed that argument at all. Of course any rational person picks whatever takes them to point b first (at least if over a short distance and where the lines still run together, a person is not likely taking a 3 if they were going to the bronx). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted September 16, 2013 Share #2110 Posted September 16, 2013 I think you're misunderstanding the purpose of the 30-day test. The purpose is for NYCT to verify that the train can operate for 30 consecutive days, in revenue service, without any serious malfunctions. If it can't, the manufacturer is on the hook to make whatever fixes are necessary, and then the 30-day clock starts again. The purpose is not for NYCT to try to figure out where the cars should run. Which I have already acknowledged with another member in this same discussion. No point in gravedigging a post preceeding the last post made in a discussion where with my case in my latest response to Lance I have indeed acknowledged that case with the 30 day tests, (which he highlighted before you logged in) notwithstanding the fact that the R160's had to be tested throughout the entirety of the B division. Apparently you omitted that part of my comment too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted September 16, 2013 Share #2111 Posted September 16, 2013 That isn't the reason either. Systemwide tests occur long before cars see the 30 day in service test. Let us not forget that the initial attempt at a 30 day test took place on the N. They just didn't pass at first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted September 16, 2013 Share #2112 Posted September 16, 2013 Fair enough. I'll take the second opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted September 16, 2013 Share #2113 Posted September 16, 2013 I think you're misunderstanding the purpose of the 30-day test. The purpose is for NYCT to verify that the train can operate for 30 consecutive days, in revenue service, without any serious malfunctions. If it can't, the manufacturer is on the hook to make whatever fixes are necessary, and then the 30-day clock starts again. The purpose is not for NYCT to try to figure out where the cars should run. Hell, if that had been the case we might have avoided the minor A line fiasco with the 160s out in Queens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted September 18, 2013 Share #2114 Posted September 18, 2013 Hell, if that had been the case we might have avoided the minor A line fiasco with the 160s out in Queens. Which goes back to the qualification tests. The was tested on the IND 8th Ave/Fulton/Far Rock lines and it failed because of voltage problems(as you were alluding to). The inspectors caught that and removed the R160 in testing from the . If that wasn't the case then today's current situation with car assignments could been different, notwithstanding the fact that yes, the in revenue tests started on the as planned as way back as 2006. I would imagine that during testing, new rolling stock has to be tested on various lines before the 30 day revenue service tests begins. This has been the practice since the the 70's from what I have read over the couple of years I was following this starting with the R142's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 18, 2013 Share #2115 Posted September 18, 2013 Wasn't the problem that the Rockaways part of the line couldn't handle multiple R160s in a row? If it was like 1 train at a time (like the test) then it was fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted September 18, 2013 Share #2116 Posted September 18, 2013 Not clear on that particular, that is a good question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted September 22, 2013 Share #2117 Posted September 22, 2013 Another R32 has been sent to ENY 3932/33,3414/15 and 4 more cars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted September 23, 2013 Share #2118 Posted September 23, 2013 Another R32 has been sent to ENY 3932/33,3414/15 and 4 more cars Another R32 has been sent to ENY 3932/33,3414/15 and 4 more cars I saw it today going into ENY Yard at Broadway Junction at around 3pm this afternoon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R40SlantFan Posted September 23, 2013 Share #2119 Posted September 23, 2013 Why is the swap still going on? Its fall already lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted September 23, 2013 Share #2120 Posted September 23, 2013 Because Pitkin won't give up their R160's without a fight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Bus Posted September 23, 2013 Share #2121 Posted September 23, 2013 Why is the swap still going on? Its fall already lol Don't question it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted September 23, 2013 Share #2122 Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) Don't question it. FYI: He asked a legitimate question and Snowblock answered it, which is what everyone is wondering myself included. There is some wrangling going on between Jamaica, ENY, Coney Island etc etc not to mention Pitkin over the NTT's that went successfully through SMS or is slated for one. This was one of the topics going on for weeks and Snowblock was not the only transit worker in RTO to confirm this. Edited September 23, 2013 by realizm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted September 23, 2013 Share #2123 Posted September 23, 2013 FYI: He asked a legitimate question and Snowblock answered it, which is what everyone is wondering myself included. There is some wrangling going on between Jamaica, ENY, Coney Island etc etc not to mention Pitkin over the NTT's that went successfully through SMS or is slated for one. This was one of the topics going on for weeks and Snowblock was not the only transit worker in RTO to confirm this. I believe the "don't question it" was made in a friendly gesture, ie, don't question a good thing sort of manner. No need for the in your face reply here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted September 23, 2013 Share #2124 Posted September 23, 2013 MTA Bus my apologies, I did not read enough into your tongue in cheek statement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted September 23, 2013 Share #2125 Posted September 23, 2013 Because Pitkin won't give up their R160's without a fight. I kinda knew that would happen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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