Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

[LGA Link N Train]

Simple point, once the R179 orders are complete, then there should be about 140-160 R32's left, so might as well just keep them on the at that point

 

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[Fan Railer]

Simple point, once the R179 orders are complete, then there should be about 140-160 R32's left, so might as well just keep them on the at that point

 

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No. Once again, to facilitate maximum possible service on the / / during the shutdown, all SMEEs are coming off the Jamaica El lines. It is statistical fact that NTTs have a faster run time (compared to SMEEs) over the Williamsburg Bridge, which is the bottleneck along that line, therefore, making Jamaica El services 100% NTT will allow for maximum passenger capacity on lines that will desperately need the capacity once the L shuts down in Manhattan.

Edited August 20, 2017 by Fan Railer

[Ian Lennon]

Should have never neutered the SMEE's to begin with. Bring back field shunting already. Their performance would be right there with the NTT's. They were all quite peppy back then. 

Edited August 20, 2017 by Ian Lennon

[LGA Link N Train]

Should have never neutered the SMEE's to begin with. Bring back field shunting already. Their performance would be right there with the NTT's. They were all quite peppy back then.

So where do the (140 or so) R32's go during the train shutdown??

 

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[Ian Lennon]

Re-enable the last step of Field Shunting, and they don't have to go anywhere. That would make sense, so it will never happen. 

Back to the C, unless they throw a curveball, and it's the B. 

[LGA Link N Train]

Re-enable the last step of Field Shunting, and they don't have to go anywhere. That would make sense, so it will never happen.

 

Back to the C, unless they throw a curveball, and it's the B.

Wouldn't they all have to be 10 car sets if that happens

 

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[Ian Lennon]

Easily done with married pairs, vs. unitized. 

[LGA Link N Train]

Wouldn't they all have to be 10 car sets if that happens

 

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Also, these 140 sets could most likely go to one of the main 4 south Brooklyn branches (most likely Brighton) or the Rockaways

 

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[LGA Link N Train]

I believe that the remaining R32 (that won't be retired during the Canarsie Tube shutdown) will be transferred over to the A train.

So that they can go to the Rockaways, I'm supportive of that as for some R46's, I'd put them on the and lines during the shutdown

 

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[VIP]

I usually wonder which yard neglected their R32's to the point where their interior walls have rusted through or the paint being "chippy" look at 3500 3501, 3515 3514, and 3518 3519 for example.

Edited August 20, 2017 by VIP

[LGA Link N Train]

Probably the 207 Street yard

 

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[R32 3838]

R32's are currently being sms as of this year. The only thing different (correct me if im wrong) is they are repainting the roofs of the R32's.

 

Sms cars so far:

3736/37 first sms pair

3670/71

3810/11

3778/79

Those are the only ones i know,if more please reply

[VIP]

R32's are currently being sms as of this year. The only thing different (correct me if im wrong) is they are repainting the roofs of the R32's.

 

Sms cars so far:

3736/37 first sms pair

3670/71

3810/11

3778/79

Those are the only ones i know,if more please reply

they're also getting their gates painted.

[VIP]

3426/3427 is back on the

[R32 3838]

11 hours ago, VIP said:

3426/3427 is back on the

Its been back, it was apart of the 10 car set that went to 207th in January 

 

Btw 3698/99 got sms and its back in service

[VIP]

Speaking of SMS, some R32’s on the  have been getting LED lights. 

[Eric B]

What LED lights? (Internal, headlights, tail lights, guard lights, end sign?)

[VIP]

Internal lighting but I see that it’s just the light covers had been cleaned. 

[MassTransitHonchkrow]

On 8/20/2017 at 8:35 AM, LGA Link N train said:

So where do the (140 or so) R32's go during the train shutdown??

 

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by then, the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean so they can experience what a flood's like one more time.

[Lance]

No offence, but you have a weird sense of humor.

[R42N]

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   13 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

  No need to put the 32s on the  . This is just to get pics of 32s on SAS. 

I think the issue is here is that it becomes a process of elimination. 

Here are the cited issues with all the lines when the R179s come in:
 

 : Too “packed” 

 : Montague a potential re-route (A possibility to some)

: Not outdoors enough, will get more displaced pax at Broadway Junction, R179s will be added.

 : Montague a potential re-route

: Not Outdoors; too packed for SMEE. 

: Too Packed for SMEE. 

: Plausible, but OPTO and overcrowding could be an issue

 / : No SMEE on Jamaica during Canarsie shutdown. 

: No SMEE on Jamaica/Bridge during Canarsie.

 /  : Montague in-schedule

: Montague a potential re-route

 : Montague in-schedule 

 : Franklin is OPTO, Rockaway is plausible, but won’t use up fleet

 

Frankly, the only route that hasn’t been discussed is the Staten Island Railway, or (SIR). Which would work, but it would need modification and then you’d have displaced R44’s on your hands. 

[Around the Horn]

13 minutes ago, R42N said:

Frankly, the only route that hasn’t been discussed is the Staten Island Railway, or (SIR). Which would work, but it would need modification and then you’d have displaced R44’s on your hands. 

The Staten Island Railway uses cab signals which is a non starter in R32's. Also the half cabs rear their ugly head again, when it comes to door operation (you need a full width cab for the current conductor markers at stops on the right hand side)

[LGA Link N Train]

This will be a waste of money but I feel that we have little choice but to upgrade the crap out of these R32's 

[Lance]

There is nothing gained by doing a massive upgrade on the 32s. In order to boost the low MDBF numbers that plague the car class, the cars would practically have to be rebuilt from the ground up, which would be a massive expense for cars that really need to go. The MTA does not have any intention to prop up the 32s for any longer than absolutely necessary, which at this point, is the delivery of the 211 class. Once those new cars start arriving on property in 2020 hopefully, we will see the mass retirement of the older cars starting with the 32s and 42s. With such a short timeframe, it makes very little sense to throw a lot of money into upgrades that won't work on other cars once the 32s are removed from service.

In the interim, the cars have to go somewhere. With the various restrictions on the cars, from tunnel clearance to crowd conditions to HVAC malfunctions, I can only see these cars remain where they currently are, which is the and lines. Maybe they'll move to other lines if/when the 179s enter service, but beyond that, I think they're pretty much stuck where they currently are.

[Union Tpke]

They can't go on the (J). They need all the capacity they can get during the Canarsie shutdown, and the low MDBF can make it even harder to reach 24 TPH.