Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

[Calvin]

3514-3515 to 207 St for  service

[traildriver]

On 7/16/2018 at 7:12 PM, Dj Hammers said:

Plans can change and in this case, they have slightly. 

Expect the R42s to go south, but the may keep some R32s.

 

On 7/16/2018 at 7:43 PM, R32 3838 said:

I hope the does keep some R32's. Its smart to keep atleast 4-6 sets while the rest go to the and lines. This way its a good balance of 60 footers on the

Anyone have a good guess of when the R32's will all be retired?   

Just curious as to how close they may get to the 'Q -type' 66 year longevity record....

Probably not too close, as they would have to last until 2030!   🙂

Edited August 3, 2018 by traildriver

[Mysterious2train]

7 hours ago, traildriver said:

 

Anyone have a good guess of when the R32's will all be retired?   

MTA currently says 2022. 

[Around the Horn]

I doubt the R32's can physically make it to 60 years.

[traildriver]

46 minutes ago, Mysterious2train said:

MTA currently says 2022. 

Thanks....

[traildriver]

2 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

I doubt the R32's can physically make it to 60 years.

Why is that?   They sure look hardy enough to me....certainly more rugged than those old wooden Q-types....

[AlgorithmOfTruth]

29 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

I doubt the R32's can physically make it to 60 years.

They'll make it to age 60 if they're maintained well enough. They're older than the R42s and in even better shape than them still. The R32s were on the road for nearly 30 years before they were refurbished, compared to 10 years for one of their NTT-counterparts, the R160.

[Calvin]

3448-9 at 207 St

[VIP]

3932 3933 is at 207th 

[Calvin]

3654-55 to 207 St

[m2fwannabe]

August 10, 2018:  152 R-32 @ 207; 70 @ ENY.

[JFK Depot]

I was talking with an MTA insider last night and they told me something that was quite interesting 

I was told that 10car 160s were being tested on Concourse this past weekend... and that the D might be in play for NTT when the L shutdown happens... any light on this perhaps 

[R179 8258]

5 hours ago, JFK Depot said:

I was talking with an MTA insider last night and they told me something that was quite interesting 

I was told that 10car 160s were being tested on Concourse this past weekend... and that the D might be in play for NTT when the L shutdown happens... any light on this perhaps 

Didn’t the  have R160s. I remember Dj Hammers had a video of them like a few months ago

[LegoBrickBreaker101]

1 hour ago, R179 8258 said:

Didn’t the  have R160s. I remember Dj Hammers had a video of them like a few months ago

Never. Those were loans from Coney Island for extra service after the Woman's March.

[R179 8258]

35 minutes ago, LegoBrickBreaker101 said:

Never. Those were loans from Coney Island for extra service after the Woman's March.

That’s what I meant lol sorry. So why are they testing on Concourse ? 

[Dj Hammers]

22 hours ago, JFK Depot said:

I was talking with an MTA insider last night and they told me something that was quite interesting 

I was told that 10car 160s were being tested on Concourse this past weekend... and that the D might be in play for NTT when the L shutdown happens... any light on this perhaps 

The D will likely stay with R68s until the R211 comes in

[LGA Link N Train]

46 minutes ago, Dj Hammers said:

The D will likely stay with R68s until the R211 comes in

ok.

So. would fleet assignments look something like this after the shutdown but pre-R211?

ALL R179 10 car sets. R46's and a handful of R32's (if they remain)

R68A's and some R32's .(R42's being officially retired by then)

R46

R68

R160's 

8 car R160's and 4 or 5 R32's

Mostly R179's and 2 R160's

ALL R143's and 2 R160's

Keeps it's additional R160's 

R46's and some R68/A's

A few R160's and mostly R68/A's

[Coney Island Av]

3488-3489 is at 207 St

[VIP]

Anyone else think/feel that R32’s on the  are unnecessary at this point? I rather more 60ft trains on the  which definitely warrants them. 

[S78 via Hylan]

5 minutes ago, VIP said:

Anyone else think/feel that R32’s on the  are unnecessary at this point? I rather more 60ft trains on the  which definitely warrants them. 

Word. I thought the  wouldn’t have any more as they started going to the  .

[Coney Island Av]

Have there been any R32 transfers as of late?

So far I think there's 154 at 207 St and 68 at ENY. 

[Jemorie]

On 8/24/2018 at 10:23 PM, VIP said:

Anyone else think/feel that R32’s on the  are unnecessary at this point? I rather more 60ft trains on the  which definitely warrants them. 

I think the  line crews and dispatchers hate the R32s for their older age, their half-width cabs, and those who tend to hog the RFW which leaves the T/Os unable to open their cabs wide open for their whole pick. It's why they tend not to have as many R32s on the line and is why to this very day, they still have around 5 sets of R32s on the . The R32s' blind faces also don't feature seats for C/Rs to sit down either. It's also why the  and  swap occurred in the summers of 2013 and 2014 before officially becoming permanent from the summer of 2015 onwards.

I do not think the  line crews and dispatchers care much about the R46s' lesser amount of doors causing longer boarding and dwelling times, because even if the  was half 60 footers, mostly 60 footers, or all 60 footers, it probably won't reduce much of the delays and bunching since ridership keeps on increasing as time passes, the  still has not decided to remove the numerous timers along the line, and keep the South Channel Drawbridge closed for the entire rush hour frame.

I know I'm talking too much here and overthinking here. I'm just saying that when it comes to the longest line in the system like the , it's fairly understandable why the line can't be perfect in terms of time performance and even speed too. Blame the timers and the aging signalling system (and to a lesser extent the passengers) for that. So whether the  has 60 footers, newer cars, overall better equipment or whatever, the  will always still fairly have problems along its route.

I'm telling you...the answer as to why a handful of R32s are still on the  is fairly obvious. What could we do?

Of course though, as you see my posts in the R179 Thread, I have no problem with trying to get as many 60 footers on the  as fast as possible.

Edited August 26, 2018 by Jemorie

[AlgorithmOfTruth]

1 hour ago, Jemorie said:

I think the  line crews and dispatchers hate the R32s for their older age, their half-width cabs, and those who tend to hog the RFW which leaves the T/Os unable to open their cabs wide open for their whole pick. It's why they tend not to have as many R32s on the line and is why to this very day, they still have around 5 sets of R32s on the . The R32s' blind faces also don't feature seats for C/Rs to sit down either. It's also why the  and  swap occurred in the summers of 2013 and 2014 before officially becoming permanent from the summer of 2015 onwards.

I do not think the  line crews and dispatchers care much about the R46s' lesser amount of doors causing longer boarding and dwelling times, because even if the  was half 60 footers, mostly 60 footers, or all 60 footers, it probably won't reduce much of the delays and bunching since ridership keeps on increasing as time passes, the  still has not decided to remove the numerous timers along the line, and keep the South Channel Drawbridge closed for the entire rush hour frame.

I know I'm talking too much here and overthinking here. I'm just saying that when it comes to the longest line in the system like the , it's fairly understandable why the line can't be perfect in terms of time performance and even speed too. Blame the timers and the aging signalling system (and to a lesser extent the passengers) for that. So whether the  has 60 footers, newer cars, overall better equipment or whatever, the  will always still fairly have problems along its route.

I'm telling you...the answer as to why a handful of R32s are still on the  is fairly obvious. What could we do?

Of course though, as you see my posts in the R179 Thread, I have no problem with trying to get as many 60 footers on the  as fast as possible.

I've witnessed numerous T/O's who operate R32 sets with the cab door open for their entire trips, with and without people standing beside them looking out the railfan window. There was this one time where I overheard a T/O saying he actually doesn't mind conversating with people while he operates, as it speeds up the day. Do note that he was able to safely operate and maintain a conversation simultaneously. 

[Jemorie]

I think whoever is in charge of the  line refused to have as many R32 sets on it. Instead, he or she prefer having them split between the  and .

[MHV9218]

3 hours ago, Jemorie said:

I think the  line crews and dispatchers hate the R32s for their older age, their half-width cabs, and those who tend to hog the RFW which leaves the T/Os unable to open their cabs wide open for their whole pick. 

That's a write-up if you get caught with an open door by a TSS who's a stickler, so I don't think that's much of a point. T/Os definitely dislike the cabs, but not because kids are standing by the window.