Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

[VIP]

Ummm,? I thought the R211 order was 5-car sets only....

[Union Tpke]

2 minutes ago, VIP said:

Ummm,? I thought the R211 order was 5-car sets only....

As stated in Board Materials and the contract.

The Authority shall have a second Option, to be exercised at any time after the award but no later than fourteen (14) months in advance of the then scheduled delivery date of the last Unit of the base Contract, or of the first Option described above in ARTICLE 1203.A1., as applicable (the “Option Period”), to purchase three hundred thirty three (333) or four hundred thirty seven (437) R211T or R211A Cars made up of a combination of twenty-two (22) four-Car Units and forty-nine (49) five-Car Units (333 Cars) or eight (8) four-Car Units and eighty- one (81) five-Car Units (437 R211T or R211A Cars) pursuant to the terms and conditions set forth in the Contract Documents and at the prices set forth in the Price Schedule for the Option 2, as adjusted pursuant to ARTICLE 1202. Option 2 Units are to be continuously delivered by the Contractor until delivery of all Option 2 Units is completed.

[MysteriousBtrain]

Now that I think about it it can be possible for the R211 4 car sets to go to the provided the R160s from BMT east gets displaced to CI soon. After delivery of the 4 car sets the extra R160s could be used for CBTC expansion on the and BMT east lines.

[Lance]

3 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

Where else would the four-car R211s go? NYCT has them as an option for a reason. Where else would they go if not the ? The  ? I doubt it.

1 hour ago, VIP said:

Ummm,? I thought the R211 order was 5-car sets only....

I wasn't aware the 211s had a four-car option as the order has been painted as the replacement for the 46s. Either way, based on the quote, there will be an additional 88 cars for the East, presumably to off the remaining 42s as well as fleet growth. It still does not negate my point though, that the rest of East New York's NTT fleet should be upgraded for CBTC so there isn't an overreliance on the 143s. Those incoming 211s will face the same fate otherwise in that they'll be run to the ground because of a lack of options.

 

[Union Tpke]

2 hours ago, Lance said:

I wasn't aware the 211s had a four-car option as the order has been painted as the replacement for the 46s. Either way, based on the quote, there will be an additional 88 cars for the East, presumably to off the remaining 42s as well as fleet growth. It still does not negate my point though, that the rest of East New York's NTT fleet should be upgraded for CBTC so there isn't an overreliance on the 143s. Those incoming 211s will face the same fate otherwise in that they'll be run to the ground because of a lack of options.

 

I agree that the rest of ENY's fleet should be upgraded for CBTC. Do you agree that these cars would likely go on the ?

Edited February 11, 2019 by Union Tpke

[trainfan22]

I think the 143s has or had enough spares... until they started using them on the line. There would be as many as 3-4 sets of 143s on on the in addition to the other sets on the line.

 

 

Pretty much all of the 62A run on busy lines with short headways and their holding up just fine, just wanted to throw that out there...

 

[Bill from Maspeth]

23 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

@Bill from Maspeth Why did you downvote this post? Is there something factually incorrect about this, or do you have additional knowledge about NYCT's plans to exercise the option?

We have plenty enough R143's and CBTC equipped R160's for L service.  When a fleet gets an SMS, they make sure there are enough cars remaining to make service.

We have more than enough 4 car links of R143/160/179 for the lines that need them.  Therefore 4 car links of R211's are not necessary.  Plus, the order is already in for all 5 car links.  Finally, due to Queens Blvd. CBTC, all R160's will be CBTC compliant.  Even the R179 as more and more lines become CBTC, as long as Byford gets his $40 Billion.    I do not know if Canarsie CBTC is compatible with upcoming Queens Blvd. CBTC.  I would hope it is.

[Union Tpke]

1 hour ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

We have plenty enough R143's and CBTC equipped R160's for L service.  When a fleet gets an SMS, they make sure there are enough cars remaining to make service.

We have more than enough 4 car links of R143/160/179 for the lines that need them.  Therefore 4 car links of R211's are not necessary.  Plus, the order is already in for all 5 car links.  Finally, due to Queens Blvd. CBTC, all R160's will be CBTC compliant.  Even the R179 as more and more lines become CBTC, as long as Byford gets his $40 Billion.    I do not know if Canarsie CBTC is compatible with upcoming Queens Blvd. CBTC.  I would hope it is.

I just posted information from the R211 contract showing that your information is incorrect. 

Quote

as applicable (the “Option Period”), to purchase three hundred thirty three (333) or four hundred thirty seven (437) R211T or R211A Cars made up of a combination of twenty-two (22) four-Car Units and forty-nine (49) five-Car Units (333 Cars) or eight (8) four-Car Units and eighty- one (81) five-Car Units (437 R211T or R211A Cars) 

I don't know why it was decided to add 4-car units to the order, and made a logical guess based on the decision to add them to the order.

[R32 3838]

I'm starting to think ether they're gonna built new B cars for the R160A-1's or MTA gonna get more free R179 B cars from the existing R179 order and insert them Into the last 8 sets of current 8 car R179's that are already running.

Because 8 sets of oddball cars is dumb tbh.  I saw this month's ago and just shook my head. 

 

This is more like let's give the new cars to show off. Waste of money and time especially if we have a surplus of 8 car units.

Edited February 12, 2019 by R32 3838

[Around the Horn]

It's most likely going to be the first combination (22 4-car sets and 49 5 car sets) plus the is one route that could legitimately use the open gangways and wider doors.

[m2fwannabe]

Another MK R-42 train was moved from ENY to Pitkin on Valentine's Day.  Two are exported at any time apparently, for storage purposes.

[Derrick Tan]

On 2/15/2019 at 8:19 PM, m2fwannabe said:

Another MK R-42 train was moved from ENY to Pitkin on Valentine's Day.  Two are exported at any time apparently, for storage purposes.

Are the R42's headed to their final destination or being transferred to another line?

[j express]

1 hour ago, Derrick Tan said:

Are the R42's headed to their final destination or being transferred to another line?

There is no decesion yet on the R42 future assignments 

[B46 via Utica]

7 hours ago, j express said:

There is no decesion yet on the R42 future assignments 

Might as well keep them on the (J). Since the shutdown is not happening there really won't be a need to move equipment around as much.

[m2fwannabe]

There were zero MK R-42's in the  cycle on February 28.  No R-143's either.  Just lots of R-160A-1's and R-179's.

[S78 via Hylan]

32 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said:

There were zero MK R-42's in the  cycle on February 28.  No R-143's either.  Just lots of R-160A-1's and R-179's.

I can’t speak for the R42s, but there are still R143s on the line. Saw some in service on Wednesday.

[R32 3838]

The R42's might just go to storage until they're needed.

 

 

[S78 via Hylan]

1 hour ago, S78 via Hylan said:

I can’t speak for the R42s, but there are still R143s on the line. Saw some in service on Wednesday.

Since it’s too late for me to edit, I just saw an R143 in service leaving 121 St just now.

[LGA Link N Train]

The R42’s rarely come out on the  nowadays based on my observations 

[NoHacksJustKhaks]

8 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

The R42’s rarely come out on the  nowadays based on my observations 

I really hope they make trips on the  and  (likely sporadically). I'd love to take HD photos of them before the MTA rightfully bids them farewell in the coming years. 

Anyways? Still no decision on R42 assignment as of now? 

[AlgorithmOfTruth]

1 hour ago, NoHacksJustKhaks said:

I really hope they make trips on the  and  (likely sporadically). I'd love to take HD photos of them before the MTA rightfully bids them farewell in the coming years. 

Anyways? Still no decision on R42 assignment as of now? 

There was a bit of clarity in the wake of the counterattack phase (14th Street Tunnels Closure), but now, much is uncertain. No one expected Cuomo to curveball the fate of the mitigation efforts so close to the actual shutdown. Regardless of the expertise these academics possess (Consultants from Columbia & Cornell), I am NOT convinced whatsoever that this patchjob will hold up for even half as long as the original work would have. I'm saying it now, the MTA is going to regret their choice on this one. Watch, in 10-15 years time or even less, I can almost guarantee that some structural defect would be found that threatens the integrity of the tunnels. For the life of me, I can't understand why the MTA went naive so quick. Talk about beyond gullible... As for where the R42s will end up? Only time will tell. I know that's not the answer you were looking for, but no one can tell you off when you see it with your own eyes. We had sort of an idea where things were being moved around to in the beginning, but most of it went cold. I can't even remember the last time @Dj Hammers commented on this topic either.

[R32 3838]

8 hours ago, AlgorithmOfTruth said:

There was a bit of clarity in the wake of the counterattack phase (14th Street Tunnels Closure), but now, much is uncertain. No one expected Cuomo to curveball the fate of the mitigation efforts so close to the actual shutdown. Regardless of the expertise these academics possess (Consultants from Columbia & Cornell), I am NOT convinced whatsoever that this patchjob will hold up for even half as long as the original work would have. I'm saying it now, the MTA is going to regret their choice on this one. Watch, in 10-15 years time or even less, I can almost guarantee that some structural defect would be found that threatens the integrity of the tunnels. For the life of me, I can't understand why the MTA went naive so quick. Talk about beyond gullible... As for where the R42s will end up? Only time will tell. I know that's not the answer you were looking for, but no one can tell you off when you see it with your own eyes. We had sort of an idea where things were being moved around to in the beginning, but most of it went cold. I can't even remember the last time @Dj Hammers commented on this topic either.

If they really need a train they'll run the R42 on the (A). This was confirmed but until that happens it's strictly storage, they're basically on stand by. So far some returned to ENY for service just to go back to pitkin.

I was hoping the R42's could go to the as originally planned but that obviously changed. 

[m2fwannabe]

There was one R-143 on  this past Saturday.  Still no MK R-42's since (it appears) since February 26.  That could be it.  At least for a while.

[Around the Horn]

13 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said:

There was one R-143 on  this past Saturday.  Still no MK R-42's since (it appears) since February 26.  That could be it.  At least for a while.

I could sworn there was one on the  Friday, but maybe I saw an old photo.

[trainfan22]

I saw 2 sets of 42s in ENY yard this morning (After the AM Rush). Both parked right next to each other on the lower level.