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17 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

I was guessing as to why the 32's on the (C) line seem to run so poorly.

 

Never knew that in regards to the last sentence of your post (Subway car components getting warmed up). 

Notice I put WARMED UP in quotes because there is a difference between that and a motor vehicle.  A better phrase or word is "cycled over and over" or "used".

Perhaps the reason why you and others feel R32's run so poorly is because transit knows that they will not be around for much longer so why spend a lot of time working on them?  Just do what's absolutely necessary in the barn. 

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4 hours ago, m2fwannabe said:

The MK R-42's were barely hanging on this past week.  Usually one set far down in the (J)(Z) cycle each weekday.  Actual revenue usage cannot be verified.

Also no more than one train of R-143's on (J)(Z) daily.

Having said that, there were three R-42's set up for the (J)(Z) on Friday the 15th.  Again usage can't be verified but at least one or two should have been out there roaming somewhere.

That might indicate a little shortcoming on the NTT side as much as anything.

I saw one R42 on Wednesday AM rush as Z. Its the same one I saw on the last weekend. 

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1 hour ago, trainfan22 said:

I was guessing as to why the 32's on the (C) line seem to run so poorly.

 

Never knew that in regards to the last sentence of your post (Subway car components getting warmed up). 

The R32/R42 suck even at the time that they were running at J/Z. I have met three door problems that I was on those trains in the past two years. I guess that MTA just dont want to/cant take a good care of them because they will be retired very soon.

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I went past 207 St Yard on the way to the FDR Drive and noticed the yard was entirely R32s and R46s. Not one 179 was laid up there for (C) train service.  

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2 hours ago, Calvin said:

I went past 207 St Yard on the way to the FDR Drive and noticed the yard was entirely R32s and R46s. Not one 179 was laid up there for (C) train service.  

Remember there's extra R32's now since the R179's are in service.

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Just now, R32 3838 said:

Remember there's extra R32's now since the R179's are in service.

The R32’s will be running less and as spares. There’s more than enough R179’s and R46 to make RELIABLE service. 

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2 hours ago, VIP said:

The R32’s will be running less and as spares. There’s more than enough R179’s and R46 to make RELIABLE service. 

That's what I ment. 

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On 3/17/2019 at 10:37 PM, VIP said:

The R32’s will be running less and as spares. There’s more than enough R179’s and R46 to make RELIABLE service. 

The R46s are not reliable...

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5 hours ago, Jemorie said:

The R46s are not reliable...

Mechanically compared to R32’s they are. 

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I've just returned home to the UK from a six day trip to New York City. I wanted to do as much of the A line as possible on R32 cars. I had a ride to Far Rockaway back in February 2010 but I'd never been to 207th of Lefferts Boulevard. My observations suggest there were only two or three sets of R32 on the A each day. I expected them to run only in the rush hours but the ones I saw tended to be out all day. On the C there were generally nine R32, three R46 and six R179 I think. I didn't see the 10 car R179 on the A at all. Has it been running this past week?

March 13th I covered the pm rush hour at Chambers Street, observations with times as follows.

Dowtown

3:30 3870+3461+3619+3448

3:35 3154+3174

3:42 3664+3717+3736+3610

3:59 3514+3673+3929+3771

4:08 3731+3778+3476+3714

4:14 5954+5912

4:21 3209+3213

4:25 3829+3811+3615+3414+3426 I took this train to Lefferts Boulevard and back to 42nd St.

Uptown

3:36 3173+3193

3:44 5890+5966

3:52 3522+3443+3707+3733

4:02 3654+3646+3857+3425

4:12 6004+6102

4:24 3682+3501+3688+3489

5:54 3807+?+3804+3637

March 14th we headed out intending to go from 42nd to 59th and walk across to the zoo. Imagine my surprise when the first uptown A turned out 3799+3441+3376+3819+3669. This was taken all the way to 207th St and back to 59th. There was severe congestion on the uptown express track; it crawled all the way from 86th St to 125th.

March 15th I observed the following R32 formations on the C.

3774+3890+3520+3361

3739+3729+3650+3895

3473+3913+3644+3671

3607+3835+3512+3806

3522+3443+3707+3733

3900+3682+3820+3624

Also 3654+3646+3857+3425 had switched from the C to the A but I failed to note the fifth pair of cars.

March 17th I saw a 10 car R32 running uptown out of service at 42nd St around 11:30 am. At 11:45 I saw an R32 heading to Lefferts Boulevard at 59th St. I reckoned a round trip was just under three hours so I went back at 2:30 pm. The 2:45 to Lefferts was an R46 but behind it was 3780+3468+3925+3877+3385 going to Far Rockaway! This was the first time all week I'd seen an R32 going to the Rockaways. I don't know if this was the same set I saw at 11:45. I did it to the end of the line and back to 42nd St.

There must be a lot of spare R32 cars now. Let's say up to 80 on the C and 40 on the A that leaves 102 spare. One final observation, I was surprised how little difference there is between and express and local train on the A/C. On the way back to JFK airport  we boarded a C train at 42nd, the next A to Far Rockaway was six minutes away. At Chambers Street it was still six minutes behind, at Broadway Junction two minutes behind and it arrived at Euclid about one minute behind.

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1 hour ago, clausenjh said:

I've just returned home to the UK from a six day trip to New York City. I wanted to do as much of the A line as possible on R32 cars. I had a ride to Far Rockaway back in February 2010 but I'd never been to 207th of Lefferts Boulevard. My observations suggest there were only two or three sets of R32 on the A each day. I expected them to run only in the rush hours but the ones I saw tended to be out all day. On the C there were generally nine R32, three R46 and six R179 I think. I didn't see the 10 car R179 on the A at all. Has it been running this past week?

March 13th I covered the pm rush hour at Chambers Street, observations with times as follows.

Dowtown

3:30 3870+3461+3619+3448

3:35 3154+3174

3:42 3664+3717+3736+3610

3:59 3514+3673+3929+3771

4:08 3731+3778+3476+3714

4:14 5954+5912

4:21 3209+3213

4:25 3829+3811+3615+3414+3426 I took this train to Lefferts Boulevard and back to 42nd St.

Uptown

3:36 3173+3193

3:44 5890+5966

3:52 3522+3443+3707+3733

4:02 3654+3646+3857+3425

4:12 6004+6102

4:24 3682+3501+3688+3489

5:54 3807+?+3804+3637

March 14th we headed out intending to go from 42nd to 59th and walk across to the zoo. Imagine my surprise when the first uptown A turned out 3799+3441+3376+3819+3669. This was taken all the way to 207th St and back to 59th. There was severe congestion on the uptown express track; it crawled all the way from 86th St to 125th.

March 15th I observed the following R32 formations on the C.

3774+3890+3520+3361

3739+3729+3650+3895

3473+3913+3644+3671

3607+3835+3512+3806

3522+3443+3707+3733

3900+3682+3820+3624

Also 3654+3646+3857+3425 had switched from the C to the A but I failed to note the fifth pair of cars.

March 17th I saw a 10 car R32 running uptown out of service at 42nd St around 11:30 am. At 11:45 I saw an R32 heading to Lefferts Boulevard at 59th St. I reckoned a round trip was just under three hours so I went back at 2:30 pm. The 2:45 to Lefferts was an R46 but behind it was 3780+3468+3925+3877+3385 going to Far Rockaway! This was the first time all week I'd seen an R32 going to the Rockaways. I don't know if this was the same set I saw at 11:45. I did it to the end of the line and back to 42nd St.

There must be a lot of spare R32 cars now. Let's say up to 80 on the C and 40 on the A that leaves 102 spare. One final observation, I was surprised how little difference there is between and express and local train on the A/C. On the way back to JFK airport  we boarded a C train at 42nd, the next A to Far Rockaway was six minutes away. At Chambers Street it was still six minutes behind, at Broadway Junction two minutes behind and it arrived at Euclid about one minute behind.

That's because the :A: sucks @ss on the Express and in general. The (C) and (E) run faster than the :A:. Its just that :A: skips stops. The only true Express portion is Fulton. CPW is stop and Go.

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6 hours ago, clausenjh said:

I've just returned home to the UK from a six day trip to New York City. I wanted to do as much of the A line as possible on R32 cars. I had a ride to Far Rockaway back in February 2010 but I'd never been to 207th of Lefferts Boulevard. My observations suggest there were only two or three sets of R32 on the A each day. I expected them to run only in the rush hours but the ones I saw tended to be out all day. On the C there were generally nine R32, three R46 and six R179 I think. I didn't see the 10 car R179 on the A at all. Has it been running this past week?

March 13th I covered the pm rush hour at Chambers Street, observations with times as follows.

Dowtown

3:30 3870+3461+3619+3448

3:35 3154+3174

3:42 3664+3717+3736+3610

3:59 3514+3673+3929+3771

4:08 3731+3778+3476+3714

4:14 5954+5912

4:21 3209+3213

4:25 3829+3811+3615+3414+3426 I took this train to Lefferts Boulevard and back to 42nd St.

Uptown

3:36 3173+3193

3:44 5890+5966

3:52 3522+3443+3707+3733

4:02 3654+3646+3857+3425

4:12 6004+6102

4:24 3682+3501+3688+3489

5:54 3807+?+3804+3637

March 14th we headed out intending to go from 42nd to 59th and walk across to the zoo. Imagine my surprise when the first uptown A turned out 3799+3441+3376+3819+3669. This was taken all the way to 207th St and back to 59th. There was severe congestion on the uptown express track; it crawled all the way from 86th St to 125th.

March 15th I observed the following R32 formations on the C.

3774+3890+3520+3361

3739+3729+3650+3895

3473+3913+3644+3671

3607+3835+3512+3806

3522+3443+3707+3733

3900+3682+3820+3624

Also 3654+3646+3857+3425 had switched from the C to the A but I failed to note the fifth pair of cars.

March 17th I saw a 10 car R32 running uptown out of service at 42nd St around 11:30 am. At 11:45 I saw an R32 heading to Lefferts Boulevard at 59th St. I reckoned a round trip was just under three hours so I went back at 2:30 pm. The 2:45 to Lefferts was an R46 but behind it was 3780+3468+3925+3877+3385 going to Far Rockaway! This was the first time all week I'd seen an R32 going to the Rockaways. I don't know if this was the same set I saw at 11:45. I did it to the end of the line and back to 42nd St.

There must be a lot of spare R32 cars now. Let's say up to 80 on the C and 40 on the A that leaves 102 spare. One final observation, I was surprised how little difference there is between and express and local train on the A/C. On the way back to JFK airport  we boarded a C train at 42nd, the next A to Far Rockaway was six minutes away. At Chambers Street it was still six minutes behind, at Broadway Junction two minutes behind and it arrived at Euclid about one minute behind.

That number will change in the time when all the 4-car R179s are in-service on the Fulton St line (3150-3237). They will be most likely used during rush hours (number around 6-9 on both (A) and (C) trains. 

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On 3/19/2019 at 1:28 PM, clausenjh said:

I've just returned home to the UK from a six day trip to New York City. I wanted to do as much of the A line as possible on R32 cars. I had a ride to Far Rockaway back in February 2010 but I'd never been to 207th of Lefferts Boulevard. My observations suggest there were only two or three sets of R32 on the A each day. I expected them to run only in the rush hours but the ones I saw tended to be out all day. On the C there were generally nine R32, three R46 and six R179 I think. I didn't see the 10 car R179 on the A at all. Has it been running this past week?

March 13th I covered the pm rush hour at Chambers Street, observations with times as follows.

Dowtown

3:30 3870+3461+3619+3448

3:35 3154+3174

3:42 3664+3717+3736+3610

3:59 3514+3673+3929+3771

4:08 3731+3778+3476+3714

4:14 5954+5912

4:21 3209+3213

4:25 3829+3811+3615+3414+3426 I took this train to Lefferts Boulevard and back to 42nd St.

Uptown

3:36 3173+3193

3:44 5890+5966

3:52 3522+3443+3707+3733

4:02 3654+3646+3857+3425

4:12 6004+6102

4:24 3682+3501+3688+3489

5:54 3807+?+3804+3637

March 14th we headed out intending to go from 42nd to 59th and walk across to the zoo. Imagine my surprise when the first uptown A turned out 3799+3441+3376+3819+3669. This was taken all the way to 207th St and back to 59th. There was severe congestion on the uptown express track; it crawled all the way from 86th St to 125th.

March 15th I observed the following R32 formations on the C.

3774+3890+3520+3361

3739+3729+3650+3895

3473+3913+3644+3671

3607+3835+3512+3806

3522+3443+3707+3733

3900+3682+3820+3624

Also 3654+3646+3857+3425 had switched from the C to the A but I failed to note the fifth pair of cars.

March 17th I saw a 10 car R32 running uptown out of service at 42nd St around 11:30 am. At 11:45 I saw an R32 heading to Lefferts Boulevard at 59th St. I reckoned a round trip was just under three hours so I went back at 2:30 pm. The 2:45 to Lefferts was an R46 but behind it was 3780+3468+3925+3877+3385 going to Far Rockaway! This was the first time all week I'd seen an R32 going to the Rockaways. I don't know if this was the same set I saw at 11:45. I did it to the end of the line and back to 42nd St.

There must be a lot of spare R32 cars now. Let's say up to 80 on the C and 40 on the A that leaves 102 spare. One final observation, I was surprised how little difference there is between and express and local train on the A/C. On the way back to JFK airport  we boarded a C train at 42nd, the next A to Far Rockaway was six minutes away. At Chambers Street it was still six minutes behind, at Broadway Junction two minutes behind and it arrived at Euclid about one minute behind.

Its good to know you got the most out of your visit and it appears you enjoyed yourself.

Come back later this year or so, to see the 5-car sets of R-179's on the A.

Can't provide any new insight yet regarding the MK R-42's, but to quote Sir Elton John "(They're) Still Standin'!"

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19 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

There's 2 sets of R42s in (Z) service right now....

There were two sets of R42 parking at the central tracks between 111st and 121st last Sunday. I cant remember the exact numbers of them, But some of them are 480x, 481x, 479x, and 483x.

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how many R32s remain in Service as of now & how many will be remain as spares after the R179 delivery is complete.

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7 minutes ago, happy283 said:

how many R32s remain in Service as of now & how many will be remain as spares after the R179 delivery is complete.

222, and 222! 

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6 minutes ago, happy283 said:

the R42s seriously need to be retired they are all rusted and scratched up. 

Cosmetics have nothing to do with mechanics, if they can run, and are warranted for service they’ll use them. I don’t like that such a small number of them are being kept and money being wasted maintaining them but the MTA Can’t afford to get burned. They got “scrap happy” with the R40Ms and R42’s and R32’s when R160’s were rolling in; then the R44’s crapped out and got prematurely retired. The TA Can’t risk another car shortage, especially with the (L) service disruptions. Also,  The R179’s aren't 100 percent reliable yet. 

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When will the R32 will be retired off from the NYC Subway?

I Don't like R32 those trains are dated way back since WW2, it reminded me of the 1997 film Volcano where Stan fell himself into a Lava and got melted.
 

 

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31 minutes ago, subwayfan1998 said:

When will the R32 will be retired off from the NYC Subway?

I Don't like R32 those trains are dated way back since WW2, 
 

 

Around 2020-2021 when the R211S come to (A) and (C). The R211s will replace all R32s, R42s, and R46. The R46s will be replaced shortly after and the other R211 options come through.

Also the R32s came through 1964. And they will push on Into the early 2020s.

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2 minutes ago, Q23 via 108 said:

Around 2020-2021 when the R211S come to (A) and (C). The R211s will replace all R32s, R42s, and R46. The R46s will be replaced shortly after and the other R211 options come through.

Also the R32s came through 1964. And they will push on Into the early 2020s.

so around next year or 2 years from now? I Thought they would be all Replaced by R179s? I Thought R211s would replace the R46s after the CBTC on QBL are installed?

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1 minute ago, subwayfan1998 said:

so around next year or 2 years from now? I Thought they would be all Replaced by R179s? I Thought R211s would replace the R46s after the CBTC on QBL are installed?

2 Things.

1. There are still not 100% to start scrapping a whole fleet. They are still fairly new and any sort of problem can easily pop up and take them all out of service.

2. Then you wouldn't have any spare equipment. If the all the R179s have to be pulled out of service for some issues. What will you have as a back up?

And you have to realize that they're about 230 R32s. While there are around 200 R179s ordered. Once all the R179s come in, perhaps a few of the worst performing R32s will retire. But once the R211s come through, for sure they will be retired.

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50 minutes ago, subwayfan1998 said:

so around next year or 2 years from now? I Thought they would be all Replaced by R179s? I Thought R211s would replace the R46s after the CBTC on QBL are installed?

The MTA stopped mass retirements after the car shortage back in 2009/2010 because they had retired a ton of R32s/R42s which caused problems when the R44s had to also be retired. I'd expect the R42s to be kept as a spare factor and quietly retired given their low numbers; the R32s will probably go a few sets at a time when the R211s first arrive but probably disappear quickly after the cars are proven reliable.  

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