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BTE Phase 2: NFI Vs. NovaBus


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This will be the new thread for technical discussions on the new buses from New Flyer and Nova. In the coming days I will update this thread with information as the MTA enters the second phase of bus testing.

 

The TA decided to order buses from both manufactures after they qualified with their first 90 test buses.

 

In a 60/40 split, Nova will deliver 414 buses, and New Flyer will deliver 276. These buses will once again go head-to-head to see who the next 700 will go to in 2015.

 

MTA does not want to split this next option order, and award all 700 buses to one manufacture. This is one of the reasons they have requested 4 pilots from each for the current procurement. 

 

To date, this is the best entry into service New Flyer has had on record with the MTA.

 

New Flyer Xcelsior 7090 is currently in-service still with no major issues to report. The bus is based out of East New York Depot at this time. East New York is now pushing to take delivery of more buses than are now confirmed. The depot has proved that they can maintain the buses quite well. ENY was originally supposed to be one of the test depots before MTA decided to change assignments and put the buses on some of the most strenuous routes, like the B6.

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Do any companies outside of Nova and New Flyer have a chance of getting business from the MTA within the near future?

 

If they can deliver a product that lives up to the standards of those two makers, then they have a chance. The last one outside of Orion who made a product that was qualified was Designline, except they had the turbines that ultimately screwed them over along with funding issues on their end.

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Daimler should be kicking its own arse by now... Onion would've EASILY won a contract.

Orion's problem was MTA was their big customer. They couldn't win that many contracts anywhere else.

 

Now I agree they should've waited for the Orion 8 to come out since it was just about out of development. Not to mention the 9 artic was on the way. Improve the bidding department, have 2 brand-new models based on the bus with the best Altoona test in history (the O7 3rd Gen) and you could've had a successful company over there, especially with NFI later going on to buy out NABI and discontinue their stuff.

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Hello Orion plant that in upstate New York right.? The Orion plant have been shutdown.. So Orion is no longer exist.. I thought New Flyer Industries bought Orion.. So it up to New Flyer.. At least everyone do like riding New Flyer bus right... I have feeling New Flyer industries will be the top brand in North America I hope.. ?

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Orion's problem was MTA was their big customer. They couldn't win that many contracts anywhere else.

You're kidding right? So Toronto, Houston, Sacramento, New Orleans, Ottawa, Mississauga, Puerto Rico, Des Moines, Washington, Seattle among all the other small systems don't count as contracts elsewhere? Ok then, interesting.

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You're kidding right? So Toronto, Houston, Sacramento, New Orleans, Ottawa, Mississauga, Puerto Rico, Des Moines, Washington, Seattle among all the other small systems don't count as contracts elsewhere? Ok then, interesting.

MTA was their big customer that would order hundreds/thousands of buses at a time.

 

Meanwhile all the other big cities looked to NFI or Gillig (and more recently Nova) for ordering hundreds of buses.

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MTA was their big customer that would order hundreds/thousands of buses at a time.

 

Meanwhile all the other big cities looked to NFI or Gillig (and more recently Nova) for ordering hundreds of buses.

it's true. In fact if you look at the 3G all effots were focused on winning the (MTA) and TTC orders. The evidence is all there.

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MTA was their big customer that would order hundreds/thousands of buses at a time.

 

Meanwhile all the other big cities looked to NFI or Gillig (and more recently Nova) for ordering hundreds of buses.

All those cities I listed are large cities. MTA may have been a large customer, but it does not make the others any less relevant.

it's true. In fact if you look at the 3G all effots were focused on winning the (MTA) and TTC orders. The evidence is all there.

Huh? But neither MTA or TTC have the largest fleets of '3Gs'

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If they can deliver a product that lives up to the standards of those two makers, then they have a chance. The last one outside of Orion who made a product that was qualified was Designline, except they had the turbines that ultimately screwed them over along with funding issues on their end.

Wish they would order from gillig

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Wish they would order from gillig

 

The day MTA orders from Gillig is the day hell freezes over! lol. We don't have to worry about that anyway. Gillig was at one time considering the submission of a bus to test and evaluation. However, that did not happen, and it most likely never will. They are not interested in dealing with the MTA at all at this time. MTA can make or break a company. Just ask  Nova, DesignLine, Millennium or even Flxible, who never fully recovered after the MTA cancellation back in the day. Flxible remained in business for another 14 years, but the MTA recall would send ripple effects that would eventually result in 2656 buses being affected... Many companies just had Flxible supply warranty work and fix them, however MTA said "No Thanks. You can take all 637 back!"

 

Just to be honest, Gillig has the lowest build quality of all the current large manufactures, and their buses do not belong in the MTA fleet. 

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Bus Test And Evaluation Phase 2 has been complete. A full review of the program and where it stands now, coming up.

Looking forward to it!

Where in the world are these new Nova LFS's?

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The day MTA orders from Gillig is the day hell freezes over! lol. We don't have to worry about that anyway. Gillig was at one time considering the submission of a bus to test and evaluation. However, that did not happen, and it most likely never will. They are not interested in dealing with the MTA at all at this time. MTA can make or break a company. Just ask Nova, DesignLine, Millennium or even Flxible, who never fully recovered after the MTA cancellation back in the day. Flxible remained in business for another 14 years, but the MTA recall would send ripple effects that would eventually result in 2656 buses being affected... Many companies just had Flxible supply warranty work and fix them, however MTA said "No Thanks. You can take all 637 back!"

 

Just to be honest, Gillig has the lowest build quality of all the current large manufactures, and their buses do not belong in the MTA fleet.

The only Gilligs that was the very best are the 1987-1990 order Phantoms with the DD Series 92s in them. All them others can go fly a kite

 

 

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