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Vomiting passenger cleared of Ebola after CDC investigation at EWR

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The vomiting passenger intially suspected of having Ebola has been cleared of the deadly virus after prompting the quarantine of an United Airlines fight that landed at Newark Liberty International Airport. Two passengers — a father and daughter — believed to be from Liberia were removed from Flight 988 for an Ebola examination after flying seven hours from Brussels. The flight's 255 passengers didn't realize what was happening until health officials in hazmat suits escorted a man wearing a surgical mask out of the plane through the rear door, passengers on the United flight told CBS Newsand the Star-Ledger.

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The U.S. needs to enact bans for people coming from Western Africa until they get this mess under control over there.  Given the third world conditions of many of those African countries, they simply do not have adequate facilities to treat these people and stop the rapid spread of this virus and the last thing we need here is an outbreak.  

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Still, if there *god forbid* WAS an outbreak here, then maybe, just maybe, some politicians would start doing legitimate work to contain it and maybe do something about long term solutions to the problem.

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Still, if there *god forbid* WAS an outbreak here, then maybe, just maybe, some politicians would start doing legitimate work to contain it and maybe do something about long term solutions to the problem.

There's nothing to contain here yet. Only a few people coming from Africa have had it and they have the means to treat it here.  The problem in Africa is they don't. It can be treated but those nations are simply too poor to treat and contain this virus.

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There's nothing to contain here yet. Only a few people coming from Africa have had it and they have the means to treat it here.  The problem in Africa is they don't. It can be treated but those nations are simply too poor to treat and contain this virus.

 

combine it with the politics/ corruption 

 

also i agree with vg's earlier post and they should have the US airlines who fly to africa delta and united suspend service to an undetermined point (south africa is safe)

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The U.S. needs to enact bans for people coming from Western Africa until they get this mess under control over there.  Given the third world conditions of many of those African countries, they simply do not have adequate facilities to treat these people and stop the rapid spread of this virus and the last thing we need here is an outbreak.  

Those were my exact words yesterday. 

 

They said they aren't gonna enact a travel due to the fact that there are U.S. Citizens over in those Ebola-ridden countries. They should of thought about what they were getting themselves into when they went over there, and what kind of dangers they could've brought to their families and friends back home. 

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The problem is that enough people have traveled in and out of the infected countries in the weeks before the Ebola story was so big that even if you ban travel from those countries, there are so many people coming in from other countries that may be carrying the virus.

 

You would have to  restrict flying privileges for anyone who was in those countries in the last few months, which is not only unrealistic considering we can't even agree on 1 unified list of terrorism suspects who should not be allowed to fly, but would be seen as an illegal restriction and hardship on many people. 

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The problem is that enough people have traveled in and out of the infected countries in the weeks before the Ebola story was so big that even if you ban travel from those countries, there are so many people coming in from other countries that may be carrying the virus.

 

You would have to  restrict flying privileges for anyone who was in those countries in the last few months, which is not only unrealistic considering we can't even agree on 1 unified list of terrorism suspects who should not be allowed to fly, but would be seen as an illegal restriction and hardship on many people. 

It most certainly is realistic and can be enacted if the U.S. felt that its safety was an issue.  We cannot afford an outbreak here (which I don't think will happen), but this situation must be monitored very closely.  Given how ravaged Western African countries have been as a result of this outbreak, the magnitude of economic strain that this virus can cause could create problems for us for years to come should we not keep this situation under control.  I think what they could do is ban travel to West Africa for Americans, and ban people coming from West Africa entirely unless they are Americans.  If they hold American passport and citizenship, you have those people screened accordingly if they want to re-enter and that's that.  My view of citizenship and immigration is rather conservative/rigid since I am eligible for Italian citizenship (my grandparents were born in Italy thus making me eligible for Italian citizenship) and have lived in Italy which has a very strict immigration policy.

 

You'd be very surprised what America will do when it feels threatened. I still remember flying back from Frankfurt (Germany).  I was the last one getting on the Lufthansa flight when I see this guy who looks like he was in the armed forces.  I just had a feeling he was an American... No luggage at all.  I said to myself this guy is an air marshal.  Sure enough when we reached JFK some 8 hours later and we're all waiting for our luggage my suspicions were confirmed.  He was greeted (as was I re-entering the country), but he was greeted in a way that made it clear that he was an air marshal. I forget what was said to him, but I said to myself uh huh.... 

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It most certainly is realistic and can be enacted if the U.S. felt that its safety was an issue.  We cannot afford an outbreak here (which I don't think will happen), but this situation must be monitored very closely.  Given how ravaged Western African countries have been as a result of this outbreak, the magnitude of economic strain that this virus can cause could create problems for us for years to come should we not keep this situation under control.  I think what they could do is ban travel to West Africa for Americans, and ban people coming from West Africa entirely unless they are Americans.  If they hold American passport and citizenship, you have those people screened accordingly if they want to re-enter and that's that.  My view of citizenship and immigration is rather conservative/rigid since I am eligible for Italian citizenship (my grandparents were born in Italy thus making me eligible for Italian citizenship) and have lived in Italy which has a very strict immigration policy.

 

You'd be very surprised what America will do when it feels threatened. I still remember flying back from Frankfurt (Germany).  I was the last one getting on the Lufthansa flight when I see this guy who looks like he was in the armed forces.  I just had a feeling he was an American... No luggage at all.  I said to myself this guy is an air marshal.  Sure enough when we reached JFK some 8 hours later and we're all waiting for our luggage my suspicions were confirmed.  He was greeted (as was I re-entering the country), but he was greeted in a way that made it clear that he was an air marshal. I forget what was said to him, but I said to myself uh huh.... 

I hear ya. It's a very delicate situation. Unlike terrorism where you can say "oh, these are some very bad guys, we need to keep them out," it's difficult to say you want to keep out all these innocent people who are just suffering due to the crummy conditions they live in.

 

That's a funny story! It's probably a bad sign that it was easy to notice him. I've read that air marshals have complained that they are often forced to be either the first or last person to board a plance which defeats the whole purpose of having them look like any other traveler. 

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Ebola is a self contained virus in the sense that it is self limited and therefore its potential to spread across a population is limited. The mortality rate can be extremely high much like SARS however also like SARS usually the virus kills the victim before the pathogeons can spread into a pandemic from another country. Also consider the source for Ebola is usually due to the contamination of food or water sources. We dont have this problem in the United States with gastro-intestinal infectious diseases.

 

More people die each year of the seasonal flu then Ebola. I wouldnt be too concerned about this.

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It most certainly is realistic and can be enacted if the U.S. felt that its safety was an issue.  We cannot afford an outbreak here (which I don't think will happen), but this situation must be monitored very closely.  Given how ravaged Western African countries have been as a result of this outbreak, the magnitude of economic strain that this virus can cause could create problems for us for years to come should we not keep this situation under control.  I think what they could do is ban travel to West Africa for Americans, and ban people coming from West Africa entirely unless they are Americans.  If they hold American passport and citizenship, you have those people screened accordingly if they want to re-enter and that's that.  My view of citizenship and immigration is rather conservative/rigid since I am eligible for Italian citizenship (my grandparents were born in Italy thus making me eligible for Italian citizenship) and have lived in Italy which has a very strict immigration policy.

 

You'd be very surprised what America will do when it feels threatened. I still remember flying back from Frankfurt (Germany).  I was the last one getting on the Lufthansa flight when I see this guy who looks like he was in the armed forces.  I just had a feeling he was an American... No luggage at all.  I said to myself this guy is an air marshal.  Sure enough when we reached JFK some 8 hours later and we're all waiting for our luggage my suspicions were confirmed.  He was greeted (as was I re-entering the country), but he was greeted in a way that made it clear that he was an air marshal. I forget what was said to him, but I said to myself uh huh.... 

There are only three countries that are Ebola highspots:Libeira,Sierra Leone and Guinea. Banning someone from Senegal or Cote d'Ivoire makes no sense. Also Liberia and Sieera Leone have had civil war and insurections so they are still picking up the pieces. If there is any disease that you should be concerned with it's enterovirus.

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There are only three countries that are Ebola highspots:Libeira,Sierra Leone and Guinea. Banning someone from Senegal or Cote d'Ivoire makes no sense. Also Liberia and Sieera Leone have had civil war and insurections so they are still picking up the pieces. If there is any disease that you should be concerned with it's enterovirus.

Heh please.  I stand by my points.  The U.S. should take all measures necessary to protect Americans and if that means banning someone from West Africa from entering the U.S., then so be it.  This isn't about worrying over hurting someone's feelings.  This is about protecting the U.S. from an outbreak.  As it stands now the CDC along with the U.S. government is exploring ALL options and there have been reports about considering bans from West Africa.  The virus is becoming worse there and needs to be contained, and the U.S. is already sending resources there to combat the virus accordingly.

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Yes the enterovirus near-epidemic that was spreading from the Midwest into even New York last time I read about it it. Its nowhere as life threatening as Ebola or MERS lets say, but it is a definite concern sice the enterovirus family shares similar characteristics with polio as a respiratory disease with severe implications. Enteroviruses is manyb times over more contagious then Ebola as with enterovirus it can be spread by airborne transmission, like the seasonal flu.


Heh please.  I stand by my points.  The U.S. should take all measures necessary to protect Americans and if that means banning someone from West Africa from entering the U.S., then so be it.  This isn't about worrying over hurting someone's feelings.  This is about protecting the U.S. from an outbreak.  As it stands now the CDC along with the U.S. government is exploring ALL options and there have been reports about considering bans from West Africa.  The virus is becoming worse there and needs to be contained, and the U.S. is already sending resources there to combat the virus accordingly.

 

Misguided patriotism doesnt always make the best practical sense, thats what he may have meant... were talking about a disease not a war.

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Yes the enterovirus near-epidemic that was spreading from the Midwest into even New York last time I read about it it. Its nowhere as life threatening as Ebola or MERS lets say, but it is a definite concern sice the enterovirus family shares similar characteristics with polio as a respiratory disease with severe implications. Enteroviruses is manyb times over more contagious then Ebola as with enterovirus it can be spread by airborne transmission, like the seasonal flu.

 

 

Misguided patriotism doesnt always make the best practical sense, thats what he may have meant... were talking about a disease not a war.

It has nothing to do with "misguided patriotism".  The fact of the matter is everything that I've stated is currently on the table and being explored.  What you, me or yardlet likes or thinks makes no difference, as they will be acting in the best interests of America.

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It has nothing to do with "misguided patriotism".  The fact of the matter is everything that I've stated is currently on the table and being explored.  What you, me or yardlet likes or thinks makes no difference, as they will be acting in the best interests of America.

 

But the rate of infectivity with regards for Ebola is low compared to any of the other diseases mentioned. It does not travel by airborne transmission but by contaminated food and water sources also by transmission through bodily fluids. Big difference here. Ebola is nowhere as much a threat as was smallpox historically, or what H5N1 (Bird flu) can potentially be in the future. Now those viruses kills fast and large populations at that, I mean in the millions compared to this viral hemmorragic fever we are discussing here which doesnt come even close even as it has a high mortality rate in itself. You are worried over nothing.

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But the rate of infectivity with regards for Ebola is low compared to any of the other diseases mentioned. It does not travel by airborne transmission but by contaminated food and water sources also by transmission through bodily fluids. Big difference here. Ebola is nowhere as much a threat as was smallpox historically, or what H5N1 (Bird flu) can potentially be in the future. Now those viruses kills fast and large populations at that, I mean in the millions compared to this viral hemmorragic fever we are discussing here which doesnt come even close even as it has a high mortality rate in itself. You are worried over nothing.

Actually we had the first case of someone dying here from the virus in Texas.  It was reported that they ran out of the vaccine to treat the virus which was part of the reason why he died.  I'm not overly worried, but at the same time it would be foolish of people not to be aware and not take precautions.  I always practice hand washing throughout the day with hot water and soap, so I'm not too worried, but I will be more alert to people around me and my own symptoms.

 

What I do see that concerns me though is that other people are not as clean and sanitary.  Lots of folks walking around that do God knows what in the bathroom or touch everything and anything and don't bother washing their hands WITH HOT SOAP AND WATER.  ...And running ones hands under the sink for two seconds with no soap doesn't count.  See too many guys on my floor do that crap after they've been doing #1 and #2.  Skeeves me out. The other one that I find cute is when folks actually do wash their hands with hot soap and water, but then touch the sink and bathroom door handle and just re-contaminate themselves again. I always take a piece of paper towel to open doors after I've just washed my hands.  That's where a lot of germs are found since many people don't wash their hands.

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Actually we had the first case of someone dying here from the virus in Texas.  It was reported that they ran out of the vaccine to treat the virus which was part of the reason why he died.  I'm not overly worried, but at the same time it would be foolish of people not to be aware and not take precautions.  I always practice hand washing throughout the day with hot water and soap, so I'm not too worried, but I will be more alert to people around me and my own symptoms.

 

What I do see that concerns me though is that other people are not as clean and sanitary.  Lots of folks walking around that do God knows what in the bathroom or touch everything and anything and don't bother washing their hands WITH HOT SOAP AND WATER.  ...And running ones hands under the sink for two seconds with no soap doesn't count.  See too many guys on my floor do that crap after they've been doing #1 and #2.  Skeeves me out.

Yup. Many people fail to see that frequent handwashing is what they need to do to keep themselves from unnecessarily getting sick, all it takes is 20 seconds. It works with protecting oneself from respiratory and gastrointestinal infectious diseases alike. Got to keep that sanitizer handy as well especially now as we are almost in the 2014 winter flu season.

 

I never got that one either. Doctors and nurses have to wash their hands after touching every patient. We can only imagine how many times they do this in a typical 12 hour shift in a busy hospital. Maybe 200 times? So obviously something simple as washing the hands does work.

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Yup. Many people fail to see that frequent handwashing is what they need to do to keep themselves from unnecessarily getting sick, all it takes is 20 seconds. It works with protecting oneself from respiratory and gastrointestinal infectious diseases alike. Got to keep that sanitizer handy as well especially now as we are almost in the 2014 winter flu season.

 

I never got that one either. Doctors and nurses have to wash their hands after touching every patient. We can only imagine how many times they do this in a typical 12 hour shift in a busy hospital. Maybe 200 times? So obviously something simple as washing the hands does work.

It actually does because I have not been sick in years. That along with my diet helps a lot. The one thing I don't use is hand sanitizer.  I don't trust that stuff.  Too much of it is not good, as it can kill off all of the bacteria including the good stuff, so what I do is when I'm and won't have access to soap, I'll carry a bottle with me and note the places I'm going where bathrooms are nearby.  Not every place actually has soap but they do have hot water, so I put soap in my bag and always keep paper towels so that I can dry my hands and no worry about re-infecting myself touching nasty door handles, etc.

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Still, if there *god forbid* WAS an outbreak here, then maybe, just maybe, some politicians would start doing legitimate work to contain it and maybe do something about long term solutions to the problem.

 

If that outbreak were to happen, it would probably be because a Brussels Airlines jet was contaminated. They fly the same equipment to Africa that they do to New York. At this time, there are only zero flights to ban.

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