RollOver Posted November 24, 2014 Share #51 Posted November 24, 2014 There's nothin wrong with the it's just 100% local throughout it's route. The R211's cant get here any sooner So? Some other lines don't have express service neither. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted November 24, 2014 Share #52 Posted November 24, 2014 There would be delays at Dekalb Avenue and 59 Street. Also, QB would be overcrowded. Plus you are taking away Sea beach express service on 4th Avenue and the Manhattan Bridge. The subway setup right now is with us until the end of time. This would ONLY be if we did see the Rockaway Beach Line re-activated. As noted before, the reason I have it as a from Whitehall-Rockaway Park is specifically because it may be the best chance of actually getting through, especially if you can get Genting (which operates the Casino at Aqueduct) behind such a line (as they stand to benefit from having a second line stop at Aqueduct, but again, even if we know better that would likely require a line that stops in what some still consider to be "the financial district" even if it really isn't that anymore, which it isn't as much as it once was). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted November 24, 2014 Share #53 Posted November 24, 2014 Do the trains run on a 4 Car set or 8 car Set? And this whole switching terminal thing is impossible, the and ® are happy where they are now. Unless something where to happen to the and ® lines that would force them to switch terminals, everything is a big no no. Obviously the is full length (8 car set). Just wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted November 24, 2014 Share #54 Posted November 24, 2014 Do the trains run on a 4 Car set or 8 car Set? Neither... The R68/a's run on two 4 car sets.... Obviously the is full length (8 car set). Just wow Re-read his question.... You gave an answer to something he wasn't asking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted November 24, 2014 Share #55 Posted November 24, 2014 Man sometimes people are rude, I was asking because I saw a 4 car set at 161 Street Yard. Must be from the Franklin Ave Shuttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted November 24, 2014 Share #56 Posted November 24, 2014 Man sometimes people are rude, I was asking because I saw a 4 car set at 161 Street Yard. Must be from the Franklin Ave Shuttle. The Franklin Shuttle cars are singles, and if I'm not mistaken they run in 3 car trains, so it's not that. As B35 said, the trains are assembled of 2 four-car sets. These sets are semi-permanently linked together and will operate as such in day-to-day service. What you saw was probably half of a train that was being put together or dismantled within the yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted November 24, 2014 Share #57 Posted November 24, 2014 Thanks for clarifying that! If im not mistaken, didnt the use to connect with the SBRR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted November 24, 2014 Share #58 Posted November 24, 2014 There's nothin wrong with the it's just 100% local throughout it's route. The R211's cant get here any sooner So? Some other lines don't have express service neither. What's your point? I think the point here is that the R with it's long, wall-scraping route becomes rather prone to delays. In fact, I've heard from more than a few people that they preferred the split-R post-sandy scenario as service was more reliable. I wonder the feasibility of making a more permanent service: North-R 71 to Whitehall. South-R 57/7 to 95 You'd probably want to rename one of the services. You'd be doubling up a bit on the broadway local in spots, but I think it could handle it, In fact I think the only problem is that 57 already turns some rush-hour N and Q trains and it would impede that process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 24, 2014 Share #59 Posted November 24, 2014 What do you mean by connect to? There is a track connection from where the D merges onto 4th av if that's what you mean. The track passes near the Costco's warehouse. Thanks for clarifying that! If im not mistaken, didnt the use to connect with the SBRR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted November 24, 2014 Share #60 Posted November 24, 2014 I think the point here is that the R with it's long, wall-scraping route becomes rather prone to delays. In fact, I've heard from more than a few people that they preferred the split-R post-sandy scenario as service was more reliable. I wonder the feasibility of making a more permanent service: North-R 71 to Whitehall. South-R 57/7 to 95 You'd probably want to rename one of the services. You'd be doubling up a bit on the broadway local in spots, but I think it could handle it, In fact I think the only problem is that 57 already turns some rush-hour N and Q trains and it would impede that process. The problem here would be that "South-R" trains turning at 57/7 would take away capacity from N and Q trains that currently turn there. And they would delay through-running N, Q and "North-R" trains. You can use Whitehall to turn some trains to/from Brooklyn, but because Whitehall would be the one and only Manhattan stop those trains make, so they won't get much ridership. This would ONLY be if we did see the Rockaway Beach Line re-activated. As noted before, the reason I have it as a from Whitehall-Rockaway Park is specifically because it may be the best chance of actually getting through, especially if you can get Genting (which operates the Casino at Aqueduct) behind such a line (as they stand to benefit from having a second line stop at Aqueduct, but again, even if we know better that would likely require a line that stops in what some still consider to be "the financial district" even if it really isn't that anymore, which it isn't as much as it once was). There already IS such a train that serves the Financial District and Aqueduct. It's called the A train! And if your beloved Rockaway Park W actually existed, the A would still get to Lower Manhattan faster. So why bother? And don't say Genting! And enough already with the complete nonsense that "some people" still think Lower Manhattan is New York's main financial hub! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted November 24, 2014 Share #61 Posted November 24, 2014 the R with it's long, wall-scraping route Yeah well, you see...that's the 's primary function though... Hence me always saying it's basically a local counterpart/feeder line as the local tracks of the Queens Boulevard, Broadway and 4th Avenue feed onto each other. If you need direct express service, the in Queens and the in Manhattan & Brooklyn supports that. If many others prefer the split, then the Manhattan Bridge south tracks are gonna remain open 24/7 permanently. Let's say on a regular weekend & night GO, the Manhattan Bridge south tracks would eventually have to closed temporarily for repairs and inspection etc., then what? Split the and into two sections? And have the run local on 4th Avenue at the same time to avoid getting backed up by trains turning at Atlantic-Barclays? That would certainly be even more of a pain in the ass. Better to have through service than no service at all. It's fine that many others hate the , but when it comes to "I suggest/think to keep the Montague Street Tube closed permanently so we can have more reliable service!", I'm going to have to correct that particular comment. I'm sorry. And by the way, nope, it's not a good idea. As you said, some rush hour and trains turn at 57 St-7 Av due to the congestion at the bottlenecks on the Broadway Line and that Astoria cannot handle that trains into the terminal, depending on the combined frequencies on both and . Inappropriate service patterns mean more confusing and delays than now. This is me speaking in general of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted November 24, 2014 Share #62 Posted November 24, 2014 Yeah well, you see...that's the 's primary function though... Hence me always saying it's basically a local counterpart/feeder line as the local tracks of the Queens Boulevard, Broadway and 4th Avenue feed onto each other. If you need direct express service, the in Queens and the in Manhattan & Brooklyn supports that. If many others prefer the split, then the Manhattan Bridge south tracks are gonna remain open 24/7 permanently. Let's say on a regular weekend & night GO, the Manhattan Bridge south tracks would eventually have to closed temporarily for repairs and inspection etc., then what? Split the and into two sections? And have the run local on 4th Avenue at the same time to avoid getting backed up by trains turning at Atlantic-Barclays? That would certainly be even more of a pain in the ass. Better to have through service than no service at all. It's fine that many others hate the , but when it comes to "I suggest/think to keep the Montague Street Tube closed permanently so we can have more reliable service!", I'm going to have to correct that particular comment. I'm sorry. And by the way, nope, it's not a good idea. As you said, some rush hour and trains turn at 57 St-7 Av due to the congestion at the bottlenecks on the Broadway Line and that Astoria cannot handle that trains into the terminal, depending on the combined frequencies on both and . Inappropriate service patterns mean more confusing and delays than now. This is me speaking in general of course. For the record I didn't suggest splitting the R at 57 and Montague - I said I wondered the feasibility of it. I agree it would probably NOT be feasible but I think if it were, it would serve the needs of 99% of riders and reduce delays. Wall Scraping IS the R's primary function - but the problem is the delays. Twice last week there were 15+ minute delays in northbound service at 57 st during rush hour. In my least favorite incident, After a gap of 16 minutes, the next arriving train dumped its passengers to turn at 57 - resulting in total chaos. If those levels of service are going to be the norm, something should probably be done, even if it's parking a train at whitehall to be sent north if the interval gets really insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted November 24, 2014 Share #63 Posted November 24, 2014 What do you mean by connect to? There is a track connection from where the D merges onto 4th av if that's what you mean. The track passes near the Costco's warehouse. Is that track ever in use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted November 25, 2014 Share #64 Posted November 25, 2014 Man sometimes people are rude, I was asking because I saw a 4 car set at 161 Street Yard. Must be from the Franklin Ave Shuttle. The Franklin shuttle has its own special fleet of 8 single cars. They run in sets of 2 and come from Coney Island. You wouldn't find the shuttle cars up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted November 25, 2014 Share #65 Posted November 25, 2014 The problem here would be that "South-R" trains turning at 57/7 would take away capacity from N and Q trains that currently turn there. And they would delay through-running N, Q and "North-R" trains. You can use Whitehall to turn some trains to/from Brooklyn, but because Whitehall would be the one and only Manhattan stop those trains make, so they won't get much ridership. There already IS such a train that serves the Financial District and Aqueduct. It's called the A train! And if your beloved Rockaway Park W actually existed, the A would still get to Lower Manhattan faster. So why bother? And don't say Genting! And enough already with the complete nonsense that "some people" still think Lower Manhattan is New York's main financial hub! My response to this is in a new thread for the Rockaway Beach Rail Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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