JubaionBx12+SBS Posted December 13, 2014 #1 Posted December 13, 2014 http://www.straphangers.org/pokeyaward/14/ The running joke known as the Pokey Award now ends up belonging to M79. It's a Manhattan crosstown so nothing new to speak of. The real news here is the M15 Local winning the Schleppie for least reliable bus in the city. Is that a SAS construction issue or is that route doomed long term?
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted December 13, 2014 #2 Posted December 13, 2014 Kind of surprised by the M79 but then again the way the BxM2's have been stuck or have been forced to detour with the M79, I'm not too surprised. The M15 is the same crappola... Just a tad faster with BusTime, but still comes in bunches, etc.
NewFlyer 230 Posted December 13, 2014 #3 Posted December 13, 2014 I love how the focus is always on Manhattan like all the other boroughs are not part of the city. I can think of a few routes that are even more unreliable than the M15 such as the B4 and Q41.
Q43LTD Posted December 13, 2014 #4 Posted December 13, 2014 The Q58 is the slowest bus in Queens, but yet its number 2 in ridership in the borough
Mysterious2train Posted December 13, 2014 #5 Posted December 13, 2014 I love how the focus is always on Manhattan like all the other boroughs are not part of the city. I can think of a few routes that are even more unreliable than the M15 such as the B4 and Q41. The MTA's data only shows the busiest routes in each borough, so routes like the B4 and Q41 aren't included. And for Manhattan, it just so happens that there's a lot of overlap between "busiest routes" and "slowest/most unreliable routes". If anybody wants to see the MTA's reliability data that's used for the Schleppie awards, here it is (Straphangers used the data from the first half of 2014, and they only awarded Schleppies to routes that have a reliability of less than 80%. For example, the busiest NYCT routes in Queens all had reliability measures of 80% or more, so none of them received a Schleppie) Shout-out to the B44 (lol) for biggest gap in reliability between local and LTD/SBS versions of the same route, though if you counted separate routes on the same corridor the S78 and S79 would narrowly beat it out.
Gotham Bus Co. Posted December 13, 2014 #6 Posted December 13, 2014 The HAS to keep service unreliable so that Straphangers can have something to complain about (and thus stay in business).
bobtehpanda Posted December 13, 2014 #7 Posted December 13, 2014 Keep in mind that high-ridership routes might also be slow or unreliable because they are high ridership and buses can't load/drop-off fast enough due to all the crowding. The M15, unfortunately, also gets slammed if anything ever happens on the Queensboro, so that's another thing.
qjtransitmaster Posted December 13, 2014 #8 Posted December 13, 2014 I love how the focus is always on Manhattan like all the other boroughs are not part of the city. I can think of a few routes that are even more unreliable than the M15 such as the B4 and Q41. ever tried the Q101& 72? Those are even worse. B24 is as bad as many Manhattan routes many times worse. Keep in mind that high-ridership routes might also be slow or unreliable because they are high ridership and buses can't load/drop-off fast enough due to all the crowding. The M15, unfortunately, also gets slammed if anything ever happens on the Queensboro, so that's another thing. hence the push for SBS.
Cait Sith Posted December 13, 2014 #9 Posted December 13, 2014 I've read several reports about this....and most have said that statistics were based on one day of riding the line(s)..... How extremely stupid....
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted December 13, 2014 #10 Posted December 13, 2014 The HAS to keep service unreliable so that Straphangers can have something to complain about (and thus stay in business). Oh be quiet.... Never ending brown nosing of the ...
qjtransitmaster Posted December 13, 2014 #11 Posted December 13, 2014 Oh be quiet.... Never ending brown nosing of the ... one does not simply equate reliable with Manhattan buses if you must move citibike and subway. And a few crosstowns and case by case buses. Some can move like on Madison/5th others like m5 LOL at trying to get anywhere.
KingNas Posted December 13, 2014 #12 Posted December 13, 2014 I actually do the 79 and I was surprised. But then I see the statistics are from 12pm. I'll tell you it's a damn maze getting through that street. The amount of double parked delivery trucks are beyond me... Slows down everything. Traffic agents would really clean that problem up.
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted December 14, 2014 #13 Posted December 14, 2014 I actually do the 79 and I was surprised. But then I see the statistics are from 12pm. I'll tell you it's a damn maze getting through that street. The amount of double parked delivery trucks are beyond me... Slows down everything. Traffic agents would really clean that problem up. I agree about the double parking. It's a problem across the city that should be addressed.
B35 via Church Posted December 14, 2014 #14 Posted December 14, 2014 I've read several reports about this....and most have said that statistics were based on one day of riding the line(s)..... How extremely stupid.... Being vets around these parts, it isn't news to either of us on there being Countless amount of people having criticized Straps on how they go making determinations...... Even trolls that lingered on RD did as such.... But yeah, this one here... I Lol'd ! I love how the focus is always on Manhattan like all the other boroughs are not part of the city. ...yet another knock on Straphangers. The Q58 is the slowest bus in Queens, but yet its number 2 in ridership in the borough Yep... Look at the (Queens) routes it's surrounded by, south of QB.... That alone tells the story for me. I've said for a good minute on these transit forums that one turn can make all the difference as to whether a route flourishes, or remains in its abysmal stagnancy.... That one turn on the Q58 is the turn from off Fresh Pond, onto Grand.... Makes all the difference in the world with that route....
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted December 14, 2014 #15 Posted December 14, 2014 Yep... Look at the (Queens) routes it's surrounded by, south of QB.... That alone tells the story for me. I've said for a good minute on these transit forums that one turn can make all the difference as to whether a route flourishes, or remains in its abysmal stagnancy.... That one turn on the Q58 is the turn from off Fresh Pond, onto Grand.... Makes all the difference in the world with that route.... You mean Flushing Avenue (which then merges with Grand Avenue and continues on as Grand Avenue). But I understand what you're saying with the Q58. Lots of bus bunching all over though (I also blame Corona Avenue and that portion of the HHE in part with it's unreliability in addition to Grand). Corona Avenue also brings in a lot of ridership for that route, and I see many people riding past the subway. (Off topic, but the way Google maps has Grand Avenue and Flushing Avenue overlapping in name from when they intersect to Remsen Place rather bothers me, since it's only Grand Avenue (and isn't Flushing), and the fact that it's incorrect.) Going back to Fresh Pond and all that, yes there are people who use it from Maspeth to Ridgewood (and in considerable amount). I think the Q58 is a pretty well made route (Which, especially in outerboroughs, is why I tend to not favor straight north-south or east-west bus routes, although there are some exception to that).
Cait Sith Posted December 14, 2014 #16 Posted December 14, 2014 Being vets around these parts, it isn't news to either of us on there being Countless amount of people having criticized Straps on how they go making determinations...... Even trolls that lingered on RD did as such.... But yeah, this one here... I Lol'd ! ...yet another knock on Straphangers. Yep... Look at the (Queens) routes it's surrounded by, south of QB.... That alone tells the story for me. I've said for a good minute on these transit forums that one turn can make all the difference as to whether a route flourishes, or remains in its abysmal stagnancy.... That one turn on the Q58 is the turn from off Fresh Pond, onto Grand.... Makes all the difference in the world with that route.... Speaking of which, that place is finally dead...it was taken off a few days ago.
AndrewJC Posted December 14, 2014 #17 Posted December 14, 2014 I've read several reports about this....and most have said that statistics were based on one day of riding the line(s)..... How extremely stupid.... Even worse. The Pokey Award was based on one single round trip of each of the 34 lines considered. (That's right, only 34 lines.) And if that's not bad enough, the rides were taken between May and August. Generally speaking, May is a high-ridership month, while July and August are low-ridership months. So even if one round trip were a reasonable sample size (it isn't), the results aren't even comparable from one line to the next. http://straphangers.org/pokeyaward/14/Methodology.pdf
QM1to6Ave Posted December 14, 2014 #18 Posted December 14, 2014 Another issue I've had with the M15 local is the number of people in wheelchairs and old people who take forever to get on and off the bus. A lot of them are going to the hospitals on first avenue (NYU, Bellevue, VA, Beth Israel) and the million doctor officices near the hospitals, which really slows things down. The M15 is the only bus I've been on where the B/O had to refuse to let on a wheelchair passenger because there were already 2 wheelchairs on board and no more spaces for additional wheelchairs
Cait Sith Posted December 15, 2014 #19 Posted December 15, 2014 Even worse. The Pokey Award was based on one single round trip of each of the 34 lines considered. (That's right, only 34 lines.) And if that's not bad enough, the rides were taken between May and August. Generally speaking, May is a high-ridership month, while July and August are low-ridership months. So even if one round trip were a reasonable sample size (it isn't), the results aren't even comparable from one line to the next. http://straphangers.org/pokeyaward/14/Methodology.pdf This is just pathetic by all means. I don't know how these assclowns get media attention.
AndrewJC Posted December 15, 2014 #20 Posted December 15, 2014 This is just pathetic by all means. I don't know how these assclowns get media attention. It's not like they hide their methodology - the link is right there in the press release. While I'm not thrilled that they go out of their way to release such dreck, I also hold the media responsible for publicizing it without first bothering to see what it is that they're publicizing.
FamousNYLover Posted December 15, 2014 #21 Posted December 15, 2014 Speaking off NYCT Buses, what are slowest Bus Company of ex Triboro/Queens Surface/Jamaica/Green Lines/New York Bus Service/Liberty Lines and unrealiable bus worstest?
Gotham Bus Co. Posted December 16, 2014 #23 Posted December 16, 2014 The M15 is the only bus I've been on where the B/O had to refuse to let on a wheelchair passenger because there were already 2 wheelchairs on board and no more spaces for additional wheelchairs If both wheelchair securements actually are in use, then it's both legal and necessary to refuse service to the wheelchair-bound passenger (because there is no way to ensure that person's safety).
QM1to6Ave Posted December 16, 2014 #24 Posted December 16, 2014 If both wheelchair securements actually are in use, then it's both legal and necessary to refuse service to the wheelchair-bound passenger (because there is no way to ensure that person's safety). Oh, I 100% agree with you. I just found it bizarre to see so many wheelchairs on one route. I see them so infrequently on the lines I frequent.
B35 via Church Posted December 17, 2014 #25 Posted December 17, 2014 I've been on a couple buses that have refused wheelchair service for (what would have been) the second wheelchair passenger.... Most the time, it was on an RTS.....
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