Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 21, 2015 Share #151 Posted July 21, 2015 QV is incapable to do so. Should transfer the line to another depot then or split the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted July 22, 2015 Share #152 Posted July 22, 2015 Should transfer the line to another depot then or split the line. Not so easy; JA nor CS have artics available for such service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted July 28, 2015 Share #153 Posted July 28, 2015 Just here to get some opinions. It was announced that the artic order was pushed to include 230 buses with options for 301 more. Now, there are about 295 artic buses with 35 being retired this/next year. So that leaves about 260 to replace. Now, with the main order finished, it would leave around 50 D60s left in service. This would mean that 250 artics will go around and go to some busier routes, most specifically in Queens and Brooklyn. Here's what routes I believe could be fully converted to artics by 2020: Bx36 B44 B46 B41 B82 B49 Q17 Q27 Q46 Q5 Q85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted July 28, 2015 Share #154 Posted July 28, 2015 Just here to get some opinions. It was announced that the artic order was pushed to include 230 buses with options for 301 more. Now, there are about 295 artic buses with 35 being retired this/next year. So that leaves about 260 to replace. Now, with the main order finished, it would leave around 50 D60s left in service. This would mean that 250 artics will go around and go to some busier routes, most specifically in Queens and Brooklyn. Here's what routes I believe could be fully converted to artics by 2020: Bx36 B44 B46 B41 B82 B49 Q17 Q27 Q46 Q5 Q85 As it stands now, JA and QV cannot fit articulated buses. Part of that might change when JA is rebuilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted July 28, 2015 Share #155 Posted July 28, 2015 As it stands now, JA and QV cannot fit articulated buses. Part of that might change when JA is rebuilt.I know. That's why I added those routes. When the new JA opens, it could be possible that the new depot would be trained for artics like MCH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted July 29, 2015 Share #156 Posted July 29, 2015 I know. That's why I added those routes. When the new JA opens, it could be possible that the new depot would be trained for artics like MCH. True. I could see the Q27 (returned to CS) and the Q46 (moved to the new JA) running with articulateds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted July 29, 2015 Share #157 Posted July 29, 2015 True. I could see the Q27 (returned to CS) and the Q46 (moved to the new JA) running with articulateds.The Q31 and the Q76 will have to move to QV if the Q27 was to move to CS again. If the Q46 ran out of JA then most likely the Q30 or maybe the Q77 will go to QV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted November 28, 2015 Share #158 Posted November 28, 2015 Sorry for the bump, just now coming across this thread. One line that needs artics badly is the M100. There are times where I've seen at least 3-4 buses bunched up on 125th Street. Idk if it's solely an issue of not enough artics available, but they need to work something out with that route because I think out of all the routes on 125th, the 100 gets used the most. I would say give it to TA since they have the most artics, but they've got their hands full with M101/2/3 so I don't think it's gonna happen unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B46 via Utica Posted November 28, 2015 Share #159 Posted November 28, 2015 My B46 deserves some artics it goes through a lot of neighborhoods that are exploding with new people every year (especially bed-stuy and Flatbush) another bus that deserves some artics is definitely the M100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanarsie Guy Posted November 28, 2015 Share #160 Posted November 28, 2015 Just here to get some opinions. It was announced that the artic order was pushed to include 230 buses with options for 301 more. Now, there are about 295 artic buses with 35 being retired this/next year. So that leaves about 260 to replace. Now, with the main order finished, it would leave around 50 D60s left in service. This would mean that 250 artics will go around and go to some busier routes, most specifically in Queens and Brooklyn. Here's what routes I believe could be fully converted to artics by 2020: Bx36 B44 B46 B41 B82 B49 Q17 Q27 Q46 Q5 Q85 The B49 does not need artics maybe rush hour only. Brooklyn: B6 with a reconfigured route, B15, B35, B41, B46, B82 Queens : Q5, Q6, Q17, Q25,/34, Q27, Q31, Q43, Q46, Q58, Q111/113/114 Bronx: Bx36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted November 28, 2015 Share #161 Posted November 28, 2015 The B49 does not need artics maybe rush hour only. Brooklyn: B6 with a reconfigured route, B15, B35, B41, B46, B82 That's a pretty good list.I would add the B63 and the B9 whenever the is out along Sea Beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK Depot Posted November 29, 2015 Share #162 Posted November 29, 2015 Maybe adding service first would have helped the Q10 situation. There are other routes in our bus system with better service levels that still have crowding issues. The Q10 could very well have been in line for articulated buses when the next order of them was ready. My point is that they didn't need to run Q10 artics before they needed to get rid of the ones they were scheduled to retire. If the Q10 needed them so bad we could have 40 footers on the Q44 while JFK has the LFSA instead of D60HF. Someone didn't think this through. Your NOT considering the fact that those D60HF's were a NEW model to JFK and they NEVER worked on them before... Those 99-00 D60s were just done period and JFK further drove them into the ground... Trust they were better off going back to the Bronx The D60s they have now aren't staying... Those are there to hold it down until they finally accept 5364... It's failed numerous times... From what I've been hearings it's not the same as the first batch of XD60s which are in the Bronx now MTAB wasn't slated for LFSAs so you can just kill that thought for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 29, 2015 Share #163 Posted November 29, 2015 For all you suggesting the Q27 get artics: while I'm not opposed to it, how well would an artic fit on Holly? At times it's hard enough for buses to make the turn from Kissena onto Holly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted November 29, 2015 Share #164 Posted November 29, 2015 For all you suggesting the Q27 get artics: while I'm not opposed to it, how well would an artic fit on Holly? At times it's hard enough for buses to make the turn from Kissena onto Holly.Like people said hundreds of times before artics can make the same turns as standards. Yeah I thought the same thing at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoBrickBreaker101 Posted November 30, 2015 Share #165 Posted November 30, 2015 Like people said hundreds of times before artics can make the same turns as standards. Yeah I thought the same thing at one point. ^^ this, and like everyone else has said, artics can basically run everywhere that standard buses can except for the 165th Street Terminal for somewhat obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted November 30, 2015 Share #166 Posted November 30, 2015 For all you suggesting the Q27 get artics: while I'm not opposed to it, how well would an artic fit on Holly? At times it's hard enough for buses to make the turn from Kissena onto Holly. ↓ Like people said hundreds of times before artics can make the same turns as standards. Yeah I thought the same thing at one point. While I'm inclined to agree with this, Holly Avenue is also very debatable mostly because of the overhang with those artics. While it's a rather tight turn for 40ft buses, there's a chance that those artics could get stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOQV Posted November 30, 2015 Share #167 Posted November 30, 2015 The Q27 will never have artics not only because it is tight on holly avenue but because those buses will not fit into the queensboro cc terminal stop. The Q46 will never have artics because the turn around on queens Blvd is too tight for a artic bus. The Q43 will never have artics because the turn around on 146 street and archer avenue is too tight for artic buses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted November 30, 2015 Share #168 Posted November 30, 2015 The Q27 will never have artics not only because it is tight on holly avenue but because those buses will not fit into the queensboro cc terminal stop. The Q46 will never have artics because the turn around on queens Blvd is too tight for a artic bus. The Q43 will never have artics because the turn around on 146 street and archer avenue is too tight for artic buses I'll repeat it again... Like people said hundreds of times before artics can make the same turns as standards. Yeah I thought the same thing at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted December 1, 2015 Share #169 Posted December 1, 2015 I'll repeat it again... The thing is, there are times when the 40 fts can barely turn onto Holly; I've had drivers who've needed to back up a bit to get onto Holly from Kissena. An artic doing it just sounds like asking for trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted December 1, 2015 Share #170 Posted December 1, 2015 The thing is, there are times when the 40 fts can barely turn onto Holly; I've had drivers who've needed to back up a bit to get onto Holly from Kissena. An artic doing it just sounds like asking for trouble.The DOT will need to redraw the traffic hold line at Kissena and Holly. There is no doubt the Q27 can benefit from artics especially during rush hours with its 3 minute headways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted December 1, 2015 Share #171 Posted December 1, 2015 The Q27 will never have artics not only because it is tight on holly avenue but because those buses will not fit into the queensboro cc terminal stop. The Q46 will never have artics because the turn around on queens Blvd is too tight for a artic bus. The Q43 will never have artics because the turn around on 146 street and archer avenue is too tight for artic buses Q43: No it's not....artics HAVE made that turn before during shuttles. I've seen artics make much tighter turns. 146th and Archer is not tight at all. Q46: Again, no it's not. They've ran LFS artics on the E and F FASTRACK. The thing is, there are times when the 40 fts can barely turn onto Holly; I've had drivers who've needed to back up a bit to get onto Holly from Kissena. An artic doing it just sounds like asking for trouble. And that's where the artic overhang can cause a problem. Artics can make tight turns, but the front and rear overhang can pose a problem, especially if there's a bus waiting to turn off of Holly onto Kissena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransitJusticeForAll Posted December 1, 2015 Share #172 Posted December 1, 2015 Cross Bay/Woodhaven Bus Lines (Q11, Q21, Q52, Q53) need artics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOQV Posted December 1, 2015 Share #173 Posted December 1, 2015 When I drove artic buses in Manhattan the routes were mostly straight. You can't put artic buses on a bus route that has a lot of turns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetSMART45 Posted December 1, 2015 Share #174 Posted December 1, 2015 When I drove artic buses in Manhattan the routes were mostly straight. You can't put artic buses on a bus route that has a lot of turns. It's not a question of can't. Operators who are properly trained on artics can do some amazing things with them. One of the bigger issues is visibility at tighter-turn areas. You still have to make sure the back can sufficiently clear. And given the free-for-all thinking some pedestrians have, the last thing you need is a split-second of focus lost getting around up front, while some bonehead wants to stand right at the curb and gets clipped at the rear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOQV Posted December 1, 2015 Share #175 Posted December 1, 2015 My point exactly. With all of these bus operator accidents lately the last thing the MTA is going to do is stick artics on a route that goes through tight streets and has tight turns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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